Let's Talk about Zilean

Wullf··2 votes·1,248 views

Basically I'd like to ask one thing: Why haven't we heard about Zilean being reworked?

I am asking mostly because of his E. Because for me it is one of the worst spells in League. You see, just simply giving Zilean passive cooldown or shorten his ability cooldowns, you would get similiar effect.

As it is now you just need to spam it. Except, of course, the cases you need it to "recast" the bomb for additional damage. But again that could be done by another means.

I offer no alternative or solution. I'd just like to know why is this skill OK?

[Edit: I am not whining for rework, I just want to know if anyone has an explanation]

17 Comments

Firefox7116 votes

I think you maybe be referring to Zilean 's W "Rewind" since his E is the one that speeds up allies and slows down enemies, but either way you bring up a good point! Zilean is definitely one of the older champions in the game, and with the preseason after worlds just around the corner it can be a great opportunity to take a look at our Chronokeeper.

I agree with you about his "Rewind" ability not being a fulfilling ability to use. For me, it goes beyond that it's a skill you just spam, but one that completely lacks interaction with the enemy opponent. This is a quote is from the Dev Blog: The Design Values of League of Legends under the title "Meaningful Choices"

A meaningful choice requires tradeoffs. If it's a no-brainer, it's not interesting.

Which is exactly how I would describe his W ability: a no-brainer. As you said, you just spam it to get the CD's off. Whether or not the spell should (or can) be interactive with the enemy is up to the design team to figure out, but adding that element might make the ability more interesting.

However, his W "Rewind" isn't the only thing that should be looked at. For example his passive, which increases experience gain of all allied champions by 8%, is what Riot would consider "hidden power". In case you weren't around, Riot has been trying to phase out "hidden power" from the game by eliminating/reducing the effects of global aura's that Janna's and Twisted Fate's old passives use to have. [Morello explains the thought process behind those changes in this thread from over a year ago if you're interested.]

In that thread, Morello basically states:

Global passives that provide free stats can't influence the game past champion select other than "the other team has extra stats." Something like "players near Janna move faster" would at least have a positional requirement.

So, it's clear that Zilean's current passive goes against with Riot's direction in their design philosophy.

So why haven't we heard about Zilean being reworked? Well, for one thing, it's probably not that high Riot's priority list. In terms of gameplay, Zilean is not overpowered by any means--its just that his kit is out-dated like some other champions Sion and it just comes down to priority

Now, I have noticed Zilean being played more in the competitive scene, most notably in the NA LCS Playoffs. So if Zilean does somehow become a problem at the competitive level from all regions then perhaps Zilean might be pushed higher on that list ;)

((Hopefully a Riot member from the design team might see this and shed some new light or news. I summon @Riot, @Morello, @Ghostcrawler, @anyonefromthedesignteam ))

Wullf1 votes

Yes I was reffering to his W. I do not know why I wrote E.

Firefox7111 votes

That's alright :-) but yea, zilean's kit is just really old. You pretty much only spam W so you can get double bomb damage and to have your ult ready for the next team fight really soon

There's nothing else really xD

Wullf1 votes

Anyway, I really love your detailed analysis. I agree with every point.

Zilean is bugging me for long time but even more when he is getting played in LCS and even getting Banned in a lot of the games. In yesterdays NALCS finals he was pick or banned in every game but the last.

Thats incredible amount of attention for an outdated champion.

Firefox7111 votes

Yup! :-)

It will be very interesting to see if he will continue to be picked or banned at worlds x)

Wullf1 votes

If nothing changes till then. I don't see why we shouldn't see him. Though I am not really watching OGN or LPL to know what they play.

Firefox7111 votes

Same, I haven't kept up with OGN or LPL either, so idk what their preferred champs are. Maybe someone who does watch can share some insight.

But watching NA LCS playoffs it looks like having hyper carries are very important, and having a Zilean ult on a Tristana technically gives your team a double hyper carry.

Plus, the zilean passive helps those hyper carries reach late game faster, so there's that as well x)

Wullf1 votes

Quick search in Leaguepedia

Zilean in LPL:

  • 7 bans
  • 5 picks
  • 3 wins
  • 2 looses
  • 60% win ratio

Zilean in OGN:

  • 2 bans
  • 2 picks
  • 0 wins
  • 2 looses
  • 0% win ratio
Wullf1 votes

To sum it up: here are pick or ban ratios NA: 75% EU: 65.4% OGN: 30.8% LPL: 54.5%

FatedTitan2 votes

Zilean's E is fine. It's part of his kit of "turning back time." Zilean only needs two things:

  1. A new passive. Yea yea I heard it all yesterday from LCS casters about how his passive is fantastic. Well not all of us are LCS level and his passive becomes useless after 30 minutes. And really, it doesn't do enough to justify it staying.

  2. Switch the pictures for his W and E. They're just backwards. Look at the pictures, then look at what they do. You'll realize that both of them are ont eh wrong spell.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

It's also a means to stack Tear item 3070

Wullf1 votes

Which would be in my eyes is another negative.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

How is that a bad thing? If he doesn't have anything to spam, then he can barely build up the Tear...

Wullf1 votes

Well Tear is not a part of Zilean identity. He can live without it.

What you sad is like saing "we have five fingers because otherwise glove would not fit the hand"

If he had nothing to spam he would not buy it then.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

You simultaneously think him using Tear is a negative and think he doesn't need Tear at the same time? Pick one. Still don't know what you think is negative about his ability to stack Tear easily.

Wullf2 votes

Sorry call it negative was not proper.

17inchcorkscrew1 votes

Rito has a major hard-on for the pros, so Zilean isn't going anywhere.

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