Downvoting a Rioter.

Wullf·Jan 30, 2015·4 votes·712 views

Hey,

Why is it even possible to downvote a Rioter? It is clear that Rioter will not most likely say something unimportant or irrelevent (though there are exceptions).

Every downoveted rioter I saw had something constructive to add. And yet... they were below threshold beause people just did not like what they said.

Down/upwotes are not "like" and "dislike" buttons. Hey are more of "important"/"unimportant" buttons.

And if people cannot reckognize that, why should be any rioters input, that will be mostly quite relevenat and infromative, downvoted to hell?

EDIT: as to what voting buttons means. What I sadi above is not actually true. It can mean anything : http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/site-feedback/teko6RP4-psa-you-should-vote-more

20 Comments

DirewolfiezJan 30, 20154 votes

People can disagree with Rioters, and Rioters can be wrong, you know. Kissing their asses helps literally nobody involved, and while some might want some good ass-kissing, the ones that take their jobs seriously shouldn't.

WullfJan 30, 20151 votes

I am not trying to kiss anybody's ass.

Rioters can be wrong, but that is even more the reason for not downvoting it. If rioter si wrong, it should be seen for people to react to that.

I was just reading through some posts here regarding jungle and Sona changes and came upon Rioter Fearless comment:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/c99MUnvw-an-open-letter-to-fearless-regarding-the-sona-changes?comment=00020000

Here he specificaly said that he felt that his comments being downvoted was sign that community did not want to engage in meaningles conversation.

So if this element were to be eliminated, might be we could get more rioters to communicate with us.

DirewolfiezJan 30, 20152 votes

So...we should have to deal with the fact that people disagree with us, but Rioters shouldn't? If anything, it's doubly important that you should be able to downvote Rioters; I've said this before and I'll say it again: downvotes/upvotes are generally used to get the majority of the community's opinion, at least that's on Boards. If a Rioter says something that a lot of people disagree with, sure, they'll get comments explaining why people disagree, but I'm sure some would rather believe that it was just a vocal minority. The voting system, while admittedly binary, at least lets people agree or disagree without having to explain their thoughts in great detail, which also makes it harder to think, "Oh, my ideas are great and everyone loves them! There's just a few fringe players that don't like my ideas!"

As for Fearless, he interpreted it that way, but I really doubt all the downvotes he got were because people didn't want to talk with him. Most Rioters I've seen get massively downvoted said things that showed just how out-of-touch they were in terms of the current meta, or said things that really were just plain wrong. People can downvote BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE WITH THE STATED OPINION. I really think that Fearless read too much into that; I'm sure some people saw the username Fearless and insta-downvoted him, but the odds of literally every downvote being a result of that behavior is so low it's just silly to act otherwise.

WullfJan 30, 20153 votes

I get your point. I really do.

But if somone asks why riot did what it did and some rioter shows up to explain reasoning behind problem without presenting any of his thoughts and this explanation get downvoted below threshold. Well then, there is something wrong.

Of course people can downvote comment they disagree with, and that is what they do.

I just made some searching on borads and found out that voting system is actually made for you expressing anything (yes even disagreement). So you are right.

With which I really disagree. (mabe I should downvote it?)

this aside.

If we want for Rioters to communicate with us more (and that is the main puropose I started this obvioulsy not so great post) we should make for them pleasant environment. And that is where we as community fail.

It just appeared to me that rioters input is so important that simple voting system like this is pretty usless.

Maybe I should have proposed to implement feature that would show how many downvotes and upwotes the comment got.

DirewolfiezJan 30, 20153 votes

If you had said "I think that Rioters' comments should never get hidden, no matter the upvote:downvote ratio," I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you; they usually post valuable info, regardless of whether or not we agree or disagree with it. It was stupid to make that rule apply to Riot posts, and really just seems like a move to make it seem more fair (if a Rioter says something stupid, then their posts get hidden too), yet it's not really the same situation.

I will always argue about the importance of being able to downvote Rioter posts, but I will not disagree with you that they should always be visible.

WullfJan 30, 20152 votes

The problem as I see it is that voting system can be interpeted many ways. So being downvoted will only tell you that MAYBE there is somthing wrong. I would prefer if instead of downoving people would actually write what they disagree with or what they dont like instead of just pressing button.

But never mind. I based my post on presumption that if I was rioter I would feel very uncomfortable here. Maybe I am wrong.

RozzetaFeb 1, 20151 votes

Fearless is a special case. He paid no attention to community during Sona's rework, and later tried to cover the rework as a great sucess by not including skill numbers and adding a video of Reworked sona in a battle that was already won before she even used ultimate. He promises he'll improve on the communication aspect, tyet fails again on that with jungle changes The guy is loathed by the community because of that, and now he tries to play the role of victim because his comments are downvoted and uses that as an excuse. Not saying there are not unjustified downvotes (I remember the parrot once being downvoted when explaining that the reason some characters had few skins was due to model complexity, while the community started accusing him of being lazy), but Fearless should not be taken as an example of that.

disregardableJan 30, 20152 votes

What you think the upvote/downvotes should be is not what the upvote/downvote buttons are. Everyone gives them their own meaning. Personally, I view the upvote button to mean "agree/rito pls" and the downvote button to mean "disagree/troll". I also think it is troll to downvote someone's posts if you're in an argument with them.

rtbf221651412Feb 1, 20151 votes

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What you think the upvote/downvotes should be is not what the upvote/downvote buttons are. Everyone gives them their own meaning. Personally, I view the upvote button to mean "agree/rito pls" and the downvote button to mean "disagree/troll". I also think it is troll to downvote someone's posts if you're in an argument with them.

Some people upvote trolls.

Gear KittyJan 30, 20151 votes

I downvote a Rioter post when the content therein reaches 50% bullshit saturation. At that limit there is little use to be had from the post beyond simply being a Red response where they type enough words to remark, "whelp, this was a nice discussion!"

I mostly end up downvoting Stashu, Scruffy (for awhile at least), and Fearless, as well as any of the Narrative devs who were posting during the Great Retcon (it's anything but that).

Oh, and Pendragon, but that's solely from his history as a person.

AriafluxJan 30, 20151 votes

Off-topic but why are downvoted Rioter's comments hidden now? It wasn't this way back in the old forums. Even -1k votes didn't hide the post.

That said, I miss the days when there were hundreds and thousands of votes. Nowadays it rarely reaches 3 digit, and there is almost 0 original content created by the forums now...

LuckyJan 30, 20151 votes

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Down/upwotes are not "like" and "dislike" buttons. Hey are more of "important"/"unimportant" buttons.

Yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.

WullfJan 30, 20151 votes

somewhere deeper in the conversation I addmited that those buttons can be interpreted in anyway. Even like/dislike buttons.

MajorPain9Jan 31, 20151 votes

They aren't gods that are always right. Why should they be immune to community judgement of the allmighty reddit vote?

WullfJan 31, 20151 votes

I never said they are always right.

If you look into my disscusion with Direwolfiez you can find more of what I had in mind.

nerak23Jan 31, 20151 votes

While I wholeheartedly agree that Riot comments on the open boards should have the up-down- vote capacity, I don't understand why they get allow it to get closed ( below threshold ?).

Also, I wonder what Riot feels the voting system means ?

I have looked a this discussion a few times now and would like to understand what Riot believes the votes mean...Really OP good subject ! Sorry if I took it in a slightly different direction.

WullfJan 31, 20151 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/site-feedback/teko6RP4-psa-you-should-vote-more

this might shine some light on that

nerak23Jan 31, 20151 votes

this might shine some light on that

Thanks did help but brings up more questions. ??

yellowbricksFeb 1, 20151 votes

So fearless is basically stashu 2.0. Are they just hiring these people off the street now? They deserve every downvote, and if it hurts their feelings, maybe they should take it as a lesson to stop sucking.