The player does not know how to play their meta champion in their meta position with the meta runes and the meta items.
So maybe allow off meta players the benefit of the doubt. Because a meta player has just as much of a chance to perform badly as an off meta one.
CrazyMonkeyCZ1 votesBut you can play offmeta as long as you won't troll, so what's your point?
BLACK REALM GOD2 votesBut you can play offmeta as long as you won't troll, so what's your point?
you can't.
because troll hasn't been defined by riot. So players are constantly calling each other trolls which creates a witch hunt.
CrazyMonkeyCZ1 votes[{quoted}](name=BLACK REALM GOD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1PFPkAsy,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-06-16T08:39:55.901+0000)
you can't.
because troll hasn't been defined by riot. So players are constantly calling each other trolls which creates a witch hunt.
Give me an example where Riot banned offmeta players that weren't destroying and intentionally shifting games around them?
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesGive me an example where Riot banned offmeta players that weren't destroying and intentionally shifting games around them?
"intentionally destroying and shifting games around them"
this is a biased opinion about how league should be played. I can't give you an example because you are refusing to discuss the topic and are instead defending your argument with a closed mind and self-fulfilling prophecy.
in my opinion - jungle nunu, proxy singed, and even the more recently banned teemo player did nothing wrong.
in your opinion they did. this is an impasse that can't be overcome due to your unwillingness to hear a different perspective.
CrazyMonkeyCZ1 votes[{quoted}](name=BLACK REALM GOD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1PFPkAsy,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-16T09:30:40.953+0000)
"intentionally destroying and shifting games around them"
this is a biased opinion about how league should be played. I can't give you an example because you are refusing to discuss the topic and are instead defending your argument with a closed mind and self-fulfilling prophecy.
in my opinion - jungle nunu, proxy singed, and even the more recently banned teemo player did nothing wrong.
in your opinion they did. this is an impasse that can't be overcome due to your unwillingness to hear a different perspective.
Give me different perspective please.
Facts: 4 players didn't want him to do it He hasn't said one word about his plan He stated that he doesn't care He was intentionally aiming for famous streamers
Unwillingness? If you provide any meaningful arguments I will gladly change my mind or discuss.
Can't give me exemple bcs I'm refusing to discuss or bcs you don't have any(you don't, bcs there weren't any)?
if players agree with his strategy before the game started/if he playes with friends in flex, it's ok, when everyone ask him to not do it, he just shouldn't shift game bcs he wants to.
Let's discuss.
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesGive me different perspective please.
Facts: 4 players didn't want him to do it He hasn't said one word about his plan He stated that he doesn't care He was intentionally aiming for famous streamers
Unwillingness? If you provide any meaningful arguments I will gladly change my mind or discuss.
Can't give me exemple bcs I'm refusing to discuss or bcs you don't have any(you don't, bcs there weren't any)?
if players agree with his strategy before the game started/if he playes with friends in flex, it's ok, when everyone ask him to not do it, he just shouldn't shift game bcs he wants to.
Let's discuss.
Facts:
League of Legends does not have an officially published rules and regulations code for champion select Solo queue exists and is something desired by a percentage of the player-base It is possible to win without typing a single word into the chat box Players have argued that there isn't enough time in champ select to fully develop and communicate a well thought out plan Riot has stated that playing "off-meta" is not punishable, but "off-meta" is not officially defined Trolling is not officially defined. It is "gamer slang" adopted from an older internet based metaphor that compares forum baiting to fishing A percentage of solo queue players are queuing up to show their individual skill as a player and not their team's skill. Flex Queue exists Flex Queue is considered the mode to play for team strategy and premades Riot does not officially enforce metas. The definition of harassment is defined. The interface of the client has been molded around the design feedback of the professional league of legends scene and not the amateur scene. Those players I mentioned earlier were winning a majority of their games Peer pressure has been defined and is regarded as a negative influence 1 player playing in-optimally is the same as 4 players ostracizing a single player. What is considered "optimum" is an opinion. There are 140+ champions in the game, 9 summoner spells, 5 rune trees, 78 max build items, 6 consumables items, 3 trinkets, 4 starter items, 13 ornn forged items, and a limit to only 6 of those plus a trinket. The likelihood of an average player having playtested all instances of these variables at a professional level is unlikely. All players have 1 ban communication is encouraged, but not required in order to play league. The opinions of the general mass does not invalidate the opinion of the individual. A player cannot "intentionally aim to join a famous streamers game" matchmaking is randomized based on positional queue. You have to either be invited or you have to get lucky Apathy is not a crime nor against the rules of the EULA Being frustrated with a circumstance is not a crime or against the EULA What is meaningful is opinion based There's no way to play with 4 friends in solo queue The argument that a solo queue player should conform to his or her teammates is an opinion
if players agree with his strategy before the game started/if he playes with friends in flex, it's ok, when everyone ask him to not do it, he just shouldn't shift game bcs he wants to.
There's nothing in the rules that states this is true. This is merely an opinion based on culture and a desired outcome that is assumed to require a certain set of parameters to accomplish.
Can't give me exemple bcs I'm refusing to discuss or bcs you don't have any(you don't, bcs there weren't any)?
I can't give you any examples because you're refusing to discuss. You've entered this "discussion" with a closed minded viewpoint that in your opinion those players were wrong and that makes you right because it is what is assumed to be widely believed as fact. As I stated earlier. I don't think those players did anything wrong. That's my opinion. Your opinion is that they did and unless you're willing to weigh the chance that they might have been wrongfully banned then there's nothing to discuss. If that's a mistake on your part because you've unintentionally presented yourself as closed-minded on the subject then that's fine and we can continue to weigh the issue. I've supported my opinion with many more facts and counter-points that I would consider meaningful. Let me know what you think and I'll try to reply when I get the chance.
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesTbh, I'd always rather someone be on a B-tier champ that matches the comp decently and that they know than some S+++-Tier champ they're not familiar on.
You alwaus do better on what you know rather than what's statistically strong.
BLACK REALM GOD1 voteshttps://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/021/665/DpQ9YJl.jpg
your reasoning if flawed.
meta champions are determined by popularity, power, and ease along a few other niche factors.
off-meta could literally be any combination of champion, lane, item, runes, summoner spells, strategy, etc.
with those two things in mind you have a champion that statistically speaking is "better" and/or "easier"
vs
the element of surprise
a GREAT example to give is jungle karthus. prior to the end of season 8 NO ONE would let me play jungle karthus and i've been playing since season 1. If I played karthus at ALL in the jungle the people on my team would :
now, however, the little positional champion recommendation tool lists karthus as a jungler and not a mid laner so if you go mid karthus instead of jungle karthus the same thing happens. WOOH!
back to my point. a single player only has as much opportunity to succeed as allowed by their team. That success is gated by the overall potential of their combined arsenal (champion, runes, summoner spells, items, lane composition, team composition, etc.) and player skill.
There are enough variables that meta doesn't mean auto win and off-meta doesn't mean auto loss. However, one does not improve his or her chances by giving up.
