"We're nerfing Camille even more because she's unfun to lane against"

Arcyyy·Mar 24, 2017·3 votes·1,377 views

28 Comments

warpenguin555Mar 24, 20173 votes

I take lee over camille any day

ArcyyyMar 24, 20173 votes

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I take lee over camille any day

Both have high mobility, high damage, and 0 counterplay high impact ultimates. Explain your reasoning.

RalanrMar 24, 20171 votes

Lee doesn't talk much. Unless it's his new skin.

ArcyyyMar 24, 20171 votes

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Lee doesn't talk much. Unless it's his new skin.

tHE diFFEREnce betWEen sucCESs and FAIlure IS aDAPTATion

Automated RivenMar 24, 20173 votes

lee sins ult has way more counterplay then camille. Also lee in lane is pretty bad.

RalanrMar 24, 20172 votes

I think you mean god aweful.

Automated RivenMar 24, 20172 votes

well i didnt want the guy to feel bad.

RalanrMar 24, 20172 votes

He willingly burned his eyes out. He can take it.

Automated RivenMar 24, 20172 votes

fair point

PrinceOfStormsMar 25, 20171 votes

How does Lee ult have any counterplay? He walks up to you, presses R, and if you're a squishy you die. You're rooted during the cast too because it was considered too unfair towards lee players when you could flash to the other side of him to get kicked away from his team.

VoraciousXMar 25, 20172 votes

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How does Lee ult have any counterplay? He walks up to you, presses R, and if you're a squishy you die. You're rooted during the cast too because it was considered too unfair towards lee players when you could flash to the other side of him to get kicked away from his team.

I mean you could keep him from getting close to you, it has more counterplay than a Camille ult, which is LITERALLY zero, Heck Olaf can't break out of it and he becomes CC immune.

PrinceOfStormsMar 25, 20171 votes

you could keep him from getting close to you

He has the highest base MS in the game (355) and two dashes

Automated RivenMar 25, 20172 votes

lee sins ult requires him to either land a skill shot, have flash, waste vision to dash to you or for you to be out of position and it allows him to walk up to you. All of this is counterplay which can be avoided by juking, warding or playing safe. And then even if he does manage to kick you, you are then able to qss out of his kick to avoid the followup q or being propelled into the enemy team.

Camille on the other had simply has to dash into semi close range of you and press r. while camille does still have counterplay it often requires you to have a team or be one of the select few champs who can push her out.

Kukan SeishinMar 25, 20171 votes

You can qss lee kick

PrinceOfStormsMar 25, 20171 votes

still doesn't stop the damage.

Kukan SeishinMar 25, 20171 votes

Still counterplay

PrinceOfStormsMar 25, 20171 votes

If you're an AP champion you shouldn't be building QSS in the first place because it's super slot inefficient late game, and if you're a marksman who would buy it, lee probably kills you with the kick anyway.

Kukan SeishinMar 25, 20171 votes

It doesn't matter if you are an AP champion or not, lets say the enemy has a malzahar,

Leans in cloes to mic (Why the fk wouldn't you build qss)

DrCyanideMar 25, 20172 votes

Lee Sin doesn't punish me for saving my summoner 4 Camille laughs, because apparently not flashing while she's half way across the map is wasting my flash.

VoraciousXMar 25, 20172 votes

One of his dashes requires him to hit you, or something near you. It's not hard to avoid. If he's already close to you then yeah he could ward hop and hit you with an ulti but the point is to keep away from him to begin with. Sure you can't do that every time, but you can actually get away from a Lee Sin. Either way there's no way that his ultimate has less counterplay than a Camille ult, considering you literally CAN'T counterplay it because it's an immovable wall unless you are able to face her head on when she ults you, but most of the time they'll use the ult for a 2v1 and then you're just screwed.

l Dárius lMar 25, 20172 votes

you lose to lee top? are u playing like some aids ranged toplaner?

TyrekGoldenspearMar 24, 20171 votes

Nice picture text.

GULAG 4 UMar 24, 20172 votes

Typical solid argument

abca98Mar 24, 20171 votes

Its not a problem of being nerfed or not, it's a problem of having a kit of habilities that are annoying together. Touching numbers does nothing.

GULAG 4 UMar 24, 20171 votes

10/10 strong argument

GamingZimonMar 24, 20171 votes

Well it's true doe. Gbay99 even stated this as he is a Camille 2nd main. "She ain't OP but early game pretty much no one can deal with her, she falls off late"

VoraciousXMar 25, 20171 votes

The reason you'd rather have a Camille than a Lee in lane is because they could have a Lee jungle and then you'd have both of them, dur. But no really, Camille's ultimate is basically a "Fuck you, no you can't leave while we 2v1 you top lane". It's pretty cancerous and doesn't make sense imo considering she's a duelist. Why have such a team focused ultimate when you're supposed to be a 1v1 machine >>;

RosemarieMar 25, 20171 votes

A lot of people forget, any displacement ability can basically disengage her ult. If she leaves you're scotch free especially at early levels when her Hookshot isn't on a low low cooldown. Play jayce, knock her out. have a lee sin jg, kick her out. IDK if Poppy can E her out, have anyone with hard CC so she can't move or a straight tank or anyone you don't want to get that close to ie: Darius, Garen, Fiora, Mao, Aatrox now (I think)? The reason her kit is so annoying is because 1) it scales well, she's never NOT relevant which honestly is okay to have! It just needs to be done more often, her true damage is done right where it's not just outright obliteration early, However that heal needs a nerf IMO. Hookshot is also great especially with how mobile people are: LeBlanc, Lee Sin, Riven. And it's also a great way to get her out of a tight spot. A lot of people don't realize just how counterable she actually is. If she's in lane against fiora fucking parry her, poppy W her, Lee Sin can just hop away, WW can out sustain her, Darius will punish her, Garen can silence her, Teemo can blind her, Yorick can prevent her from moving, like there are honestly sooooo many options. Just because she was designed well and actually FITS WHAT THEY DESIGNED HER TO DO which is and I quote : "being able to feel like a badass chaser" she's actually not that brutal...I do think she needs nerfs to her Heal and possibly even her shield amount, but the shield is so she has an extra buffer against True Damage monsters such as herself like Fiora, Darius, Garen, Irelia. Like........for reeeeeal.