Turret HP increased by 500

Danny DeVito·Nov 17, 2015·107 votes·4,093 views

Wow so now I have to auto them like 3-5 more times?? This is simply TOO MUCH Riot!!11

Seriously give them armor not HP.

64 Comments

SehlikahNov 18, 201541 votes

Outer Turrets and Inner Turrets

Season 4: 100 Armor/MR, 2000 HP -> 4000 EHP Season 5: 4000 HP -> 4000 EHP (plus, the scaling MR/Armor makes them tankier. At max stacks (15 min outer, 30 min inner) they'll have 5200 EHP)

They are now stronger than before.

Edit: Added Max EHP with scaling armor/mr Edit 2: I forgot that side-lane inner turrets had that 30 hp shield on them. That means they had 4060 EHP. Thus, inner turrets are weaker until 16 minutes, when they will have 4080 EHP.

Orange CaramelNov 18, 20158 votes

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Outer Turrets and Inner Turrets

Season 4: 100 Armor/MR, 2000 HP - 4000 EHP Season 5: 4000 HP - 4000 EHP (plus, the scaling MR/Armor makes them tankier)

They are now stronger than before.

why is this downvoted its truth

APrinnyDoodNov 18, 201513 votes

Why are you trying to interrupt the circlejerk? We're all having fun here pretending we know anything about how to balance they game. Why bring numbers or truth into this?

SehlikahNov 18, 20156 votes

Whoa! Are you saying that I, a Silver 3 ADC main, know nothing about balancing such a complex game as League?

Do you know nothing of my credentials? I browse the boards, sir. I am more qualified than Meddler.

SkiasNov 18, 20156 votes

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Why are you trying to interrupt the circlejerk? We're all having fun here pretending we know anything about how to balance they game. Why bring numbers or truth into this?

Because they need resists. Champions pound them down too fast. They need mitigation.

My Waifu VanillaNov 18, 20152 votes

It is literally the same amount of "health" as last season's outer turrets. Idk if you could technically penetrate turret armor but if you could then these turrets are "technically" tankier than last seasons since you cannot penetrate below 0 so a Zed with the ArP item will now kill turrets slower than last season if that is the case.

ZephyrDrakeNov 18, 20155 votes

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It is literally the same amount of "health" as last season's outer turrets. Idk if you could technically penetrate turret armor but if you could then these turrets are "technically" tankier than last seasons since you cannot penetrate below 0 so a Zed with the ArP item will now kill turrets slower than last season if that is the case.

you have no idea how resistances work do you? otherwise you wouldn't be making this type of statements, how is Zed going to take turrets down slower? turrets having no armor means they take FULL DAMAGE from every single auto attack which was not the case when they had armor (unless you somehow managed to penetrate ALL of their armor)

InsanitysTheNameNov 18, 20154 votes

He is correct with his assessment. The outer towers will now have more effective health at the start of the game that season 5 and will grow resistances to have even more effective health that season 5.

NineTailedMysticNov 18, 20151 votes

Turrets ignored penetration anyways.

Azuredragon653Nov 18, 201521 votes

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why is this downvoted its truth

Because it isn't

Old turrets:

Outer: 4000 effective health
Inner: 5000 effective health
Inhibitor: 5600 effective health
Nexus: 6000 effective health

Current turrets:

Outer: 3500 effective health
Inner: 3500 effective health
Inhibitor: 4000 effective health
Nexus: 4000 effective health

Orange CaramelNov 18, 20155 votes

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Because it isn't

Old turrets:

Outer: 4000 effective health

Inner: 5000 effective health

Inhibitor: 5600 effective health

Nexus: 6000 effective health

New turrets:

Outer: 3500 effective health

Inner: 3500 effective health

Inhibitor: 4000 effective health

Nexus: 4000 effective health

yeah but riot is buffing turrets so the NEW outer ones will be tankier than the old ones.

Azuredragon653Nov 18, 201513 votes

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yeah but riot is buffing turrets so the NEW outer ones will be tankier than the old ones.

The new outer turrets will be equal to the old outer turrets. Inner, inhibitor, and Nexus turrets will still be much weaker.

My Waifu VanillaNov 18, 20154 votes

Which is fine. You shouldn't be able to huddle under a mid tier 2 for 10 minutes with Viktor just E'ing the wave every time it comes up. The game has to end at some point and the inner turrets having more health simply prolongs an already decided loss since chances are....you are taking those towers when people are dead anyway so why does it even matter how much health they have when they are uncontested objectives after an ace. It just wastes time.

peachplumpearNov 18, 201513 votes

Have you heard of "sieging?"

VerxintNov 18, 20151 votes

Personally I think riot shouldn't have babied midlaners who didn't know how to farm and design 15 mid laners that can clear an entire wave in half a spell from behind their tower.

I'm exaggerating, but it feels ridiculous sometimes

BattalionNov 18, 20153 votes

Because wasting spells, mana, and cooldowns to clear a wave is so OP. Why the only thing that could make it worse is if they had champions that didn't need to waste mana, coodowns, or spells to clear waves.

OH shit! I forgot about AD AA champions D: Ashe Caitlyn Ezreal Graves Jax Lucian Pantheon Tryndamere Vayne Varus

VerxintNov 18, 20151 votes

I'm mostly being cynical, but there was a time when most people couldn't clear a wave in 1 spell, and clearing every wave as it arrived would oom you.

BattalionNov 19, 20151 votes

That's never been the case, I promise you. In mid game AD champions can 1 shot minions without spells and have a minion wave clear time (using AA only) of 4 seconds at most, using no spells and building crit.

An AP caster using a spell now has a long cool down and it's only viable for most of the AP champions to wave clear like that in the late game, an entirely different phase.

RalanrNov 19, 20151 votes

By AD AA champions, do you mean AD casters or just autoattack focused champions? Cause if it's the latter, then where the hell is MasterYi ?

BattalionNov 19, 20151 votes

You understand I'm not going to spell out for you every champion who can clear waves with AA , right? You aren't pointing to flaws in my argument just being picky.

XinZhao Tristana Aatrox Fiora Kalista Rengar MonkeyKing Nasus

RalanrNov 19, 20151 votes

Technically mages can CS with autoattacks, they just don't have anything to make them do more damage aside from item 3115 or an old mastery. Though I'm not going to argue with you on wave clearing.

SehlikahNov 18, 20154 votes

The OP was commenting on a buff to outer and inner turrets on the PBE, which raised their health by 500. Currently, outer and inner turrets are initially weaker, yes. However, next patch, they'll start at the same strength and scale to be stronger.

You'll note I did not comment on inhib and nexus turrets, which are weaker than before (even fully stacked).

Blue Moon WolfNov 18, 20153 votes

god I miss the shields from when they were first added. If we had those right now that might be enough to get games to last at least 25 minutes .__.

SasogwaNov 18, 20151 votes

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Outer Turrets and Inner Turrets

Season 4: 100 Armor/MR, 2000 HP -> 4000 EHP Season 5: 4000 HP -> 4000 EHP (plus, the scaling MR/Armor makes them tankier. At max stacks (15 min outer, 30 min inner) they'll have 5200 EHP)

They are now stronger than before.

Edit: Added Max EHP with scaling armor/mr Edit 2: I forgot that side-lane inner turrets had that 30 hp shield on them. That means they had 4060 EHP. Thus, inner turrets are weaker until 16 minutes, when they will have 4080 EHP.

But there's a flat damage reduction after armor applies, making this completely false, if I'm not mistaken

SpoofghoulNov 18, 20153 votes

And u can crit on turrets now

Kitten of EvilNov 18, 20153 votes

The flat damage reduction only lasts 7 minutes, if I remember correctly.

ChaosReignsDownNov 18, 20152 votes

{quoted}

Outer Turrets and Inner Turrets

Season 4: 100 Armor/MR, 2000 HP -> 4000 EHP Season 5: 4000 HP -> 4000 EHP (plus, the scaling MR/Armor makes them tankier. At max stacks (15 min outer, 30 min inner) they'll have 5200 EHP)

They are now stronger than before.

Edit: Added Max EHP with scaling armor/mr Edit 2: I forgot that side-lane inner turrets had that 30 hp shield on them. That means they had 4060 EHP. Thus, inner turrets are weaker until 16 minutes, when they will have 4080 EHP.

Games are going MUCH faster now. By 15/20 mins team are usually at the inhibs. The turrets are a joke, diving turrets means nothing lol. They should do much more damage the longer you stand in them/more shots you take.

Sightless66Nov 18, 201518 votes

They're also fixing a bug where the towers didn't have armor scaling over time. So, they are getting armor. In fact, the outer towers should be tankier than they were last season.

ZephyrDrakeNov 18, 20158 votes

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They're also fixing a bug where the towers didn't have armor scaling over time. So, they are getting armor. In fact, the outer towers should be tankier than they were last season.

yeah that 30 armor/mr that they will get over the course of 15 mins sure is going to make them tankier... if you even manage to protect them long enough to even reach that amount of armor/mr

Weiner the PoohNov 18, 20152 votes

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yeah that 30 armor/mr that they will get over the course of 15 mins sure is going to make them tankier... if you even manage to protect them long enough to even reach that amount of armor/mr

Rito is lowering XP per kill so snowballing shouldnt be as easier meaning games will go on longer meaning that the turrets will get their armor.

SpoofghoulNov 17, 201513 votes

give turrets item 3075 item 3083 item 3072 item 3085 item 3031 item 3071

Jason the otherNov 18, 20152 votes

that would make them literally impossible to kill..

RetroRage96Nov 18, 20151 votes

"Literally." item 3153 item 3072 item 3085 item 3091 item 3046 item 3031

My Waifu VanillaNov 18, 20153 votes

"Literally." item 3026 (no longer unique passive)

RetroRage96Nov 18, 20151 votes

Oops, forgot something. item 3153 item 3072 item 3085 item 3031 item 3022 item 3083

Demented GagNov 18, 20151 votes

And give them Xerath ultimate, to aim at you when you're trying to leave the turret range.

NGNL AsianNov 20, 20151 votes

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give turrets

Just no... Just no... But I thought of something even crazier. Every 3 missiles from the turret, it casts a spell missile that does ap and not ad AND HOW ABOUT THIS!: item 3157 item 3048 item 3089 item 3094 item 3190 item 3075 This will let the turrets be op af. Hourglass will just let them stay alive for a while. Seraph gives them a shield Rabadon makes more damage The gun charges things for the normal missiles And the others are to tank for them.

But the turrets should only get these buffs after 50 minutes of the game.

EboksbaNov 18, 201510 votes

The thing is, everyone's complaining because towers weren't adding mr or armor due to a bug this entire past patch. Is bugged. What people perceived as too weak WAS too weak because they were sitting at 0 mr and 0 armor the entire game. Is fixed either in hotpatch or next patch.

Bloodhawk95Nov 18, 20155 votes

The turrets are super squish now, and past the 18 minute mark or so, their damage is useless as any team with a tank can safely dive you. Tanking 10 shots as leona? No problem!

JasiwelNov 18, 20154 votes

500 health really isn't that much of a jump though, especially given how one of their biggest issues is how low their DPS actually is compared to champion damage. On top of ADCs seeing buffs, mages got a buff in killing towers too. The fact of the matter is that turrets are too feeble right now, OR that champions have too much killing capacity on turrets.

Also, these fixes still don't solve the issue of turrets actually being useful after 20 minutes with the exception of teamfights centered around them...if one of the teams isn't vastly ahead of the other first.

My Waifu VanillaNov 18, 20154 votes

A turret shouldn't carry you through the game by instantly clearing waves for you or something if they are seiging a T2/3. They need to not do that much damage to minions/champions or else the games would go back to s2/3 60 minute long games. I don't know about you but I do not want to prolong a defeat for 20+ minutes because they can't seige against stronger turrets.

JasiwelNov 18, 20151 votes

There's a big difference between a turret carrying you through the entire game and a turret being literally murderable by two standard waves of minions after 15 minutes. With how powerful champions are against, the proliferation of Atk Speed AND the minion buffs we are going to see soon, it's completely viable to argue turrets are practically useless after 20 minutes. n one thinks "Oh this turret will kill me if I dive" - they think "oh the other dude might survive if I attack him under the turret..but then he has to leave so my minions got it".

Turrets shouldn't be this weak. They should make opponents ALWAYS reconsider fighting at that position and make them crutch on their minions to begin attacking. Even then, the window of attack should be far less than it is at the moment. Turrets are pitiful and do nothing more than provide a checkpoint until 15 minutes into the game. I've basically given up laning altogether recently because turrets are as reliable as random teammates you meet in Blind Pick.

Fur Fox SakeNov 18, 20153 votes

Yeah I know it would make sense to increase the armor right? Welcome to the balance team rofl

NommyPancakeNov 18, 20153 votes

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/11/red-post-collection-illaoi-champion.html

"Some of that's assumedly due to the reduction in effective health tower health in 5.22, some of it's also going to be due to a bug that's removing their intended growth in Armor/MR over time." --Riot

I think the 500 more HP is good for now. I would like to see how's turret doing after the bug fix and a slight HP boost, rather than a huge buff in an instant.

gg git diffNov 18, 20151 votes

They don’t need to be tankier, they need to do more damage.

Azuredragon653Nov 18, 20156 votes

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They don’t need to be tankier, they need to do more damage.

They need both.

gg git diffNov 18, 20155 votes

I don’t think turrets dying quickly is a problem (well, at this moment it is, but its because of a bug). It’s the fact that diving is too strong.

TaarkiNov 18, 20151 votes

Because them having 4k HP is worse than 3.5k. Seriously Rito, whenever you make a change that the community is screaming for, and the shove it back in you're face, I say revert the changes.

Xela SyabNov 19, 20151 votes

I was watching c9 sneaky playing as caitlyn last night and when he and his support sona left lane a minion wave killed their 30% health turret with no champion support, just the wave. Granted they won the game, got baron, triple killed bot lane, then destroyed 4 towers and nexus in less than 3 minutes and sneaky said he felt bad when they gave up at the outer turret. There's just something wrong with the game now that this patch has hit.