is the second part of his Q [110 / 140 / 170 (+ 90% bonus AD) (+ 8% of target's missing health)] to be more specific, the additional 8% of target's missing health. If this were to be removed, I'm sure many other champs will be able to compete with him in the jungle.
EndlessSorcerer10 votesYou mean it isn't because his Q deals 100/160/220/280/340 + (180% bonus AD)?
LankPants3 votes+8% missing HP
AirKingNeo2 votesHe's saying the AD ratio and/or base damage is too high.
An Enemy Sutando1 votesI don't see a problem with Lee's bases being above average if he's supposed to be an early-game terror, but I don't get why he gets such high AD scalings to boot. It makes no sense for what he's supposedly intended to be.
2B Father Servo8 votesLee Sin's high pickrate is due to that he is fun to play and his an enabler for his team, Kayn while also being fun to play should alleviate Lee Sin's winrate.
Wukong Airlines16 votes
must be fun to play with too
Officially1 votesI actually really enjoy playing both of these champs
SEKAI13 votes[{quoted}](name=Irina Jelavic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0xvqFMca,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-07-06T16:12:47.483+0000)
Lee Sin's high pickrate is due to that he is fun to play and his an enabler for his team, Kayn while also being fun to play should alleviate Lee Sin's winrate.
's high pickrates during the FF/Devourer meta were due to that they were fun to play and they were enablers for their team...
BIH Diamond2 votesDifference is those had high win rates. Lee doesn't.
When OCE players talk balance
Junkο1 votesLee Sin is a high skill cap champion while former 3 are just right click champion with only Yi having some skill expression, of course he is going to have a lower winrate.
And NA is obviously so much better than other regions,just look at how many Worlds the best of NA won! Oh wait...
BIH Diamond2 votesAnd NA is obviously so much better than other regions,just look at how many Worlds the best of NA won!
Worlds S6.
TSM went 1-1 with Samsung Blue CLG went 1-1 with Rox tigers CLG went 2-0 against G2 TSM went 2-0 against Splyce
OCE? No where to be found.
Rift rivals:
NA 7-4 EU
Lee Sin is a high skill cap champion while former 3 are just right click champion with only Yi having some skill expression, of course he is going to have a lower winrate.
These champs all had 54%+ win rates during FF meta which is broken.
Why you complaining about a champ that loses more than he wins? LOL
Junkο1 votesWow an entire total of 6 wins by NA. How impressive. Meanwhile SKT won entire 2016 pro play with only 2 lost games.
Rift Rivals doesn't mean shit, it's barely competitive.
Why you complaining about a champ that loses more than he wins? LOL
A whooping 3% less winrate, hell it's less than 3%, on a supposedly hard to play champion that is picked and banned across more than half the games played in the entire world. Seems completely A-OK.
Keep being delusional Lee main.
BIH Diamond1 votesWow an entire total of 6 wins by NA.
Actually that wasn't all of our wins lol. Did you even watch worlds? Probably not.
Meanwhile SKT won entire 2016 pro play with only 2 lost games.
Yes KR is good. Your point?
Rift Rivals doesn't mean shit, it's barely competitive.
Because Eu is there lmao
A whooping 3% less winrate, hell it's less than 3%, on a supposedly hard to play champion
So you think Yasuo is OP? Yasuo is at a 50% win rate at a 5% play rate. If he had a 20% play rate like Lee he would also be at a 47% win rate.
OHminus2 votes5 percent play rate is mostly due to his high ban rate
Yasuo being played in low elo draft modes? LUL
AirKingNeo2 votesBeing OCE has nothing to do with anything.
Sir Yamazuki4 votes[{quoted}](name=Irina Jelavic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0xvqFMca,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-07-06T16:12:47.483+0000)
Lee Sin's high pickrate is due to that he is fun to play and his an enabler for his team, Kayn while also being fun to play should alleviate Lee Sin's winrate.
Then why did his pick rate drop a fair amount after being nerfed? It cut in half at plat+. although since his pick rate was absurdly high cutting in half still leaves him far up in first place anyways. Champion pick rates are always determined by a few factors and fun is not one of them. Sejuani was labeled by Riot as even being boring yet even she had high popularity and ban rate last season when she was over powered. The same is true for other "not interesting" champions. A champion doesn't even have to be good to be popular either, it just needs percieved strength or be endorsed/picked by the pros and people will copy.
PiVoRx6 votesHes picked cause he can shit on everyone and cannot be punished for mistakes.
BIH Diamond1 votesSays the master yi abuser lmao
Junkο2 votesSays the Gold Lee main that apparently rage quit LoL because busted champ wasn't enough to carry him.
BIH Diamond2 votesLUL if you're going to trash talk at least do it properly. This is a smurf account. I haven't played on it in 2 years and it decayed from plat 2.
My main is in d3.
Why do you think this acc was bronze then randomly shot up the next season? HAHA
Funny how you're a yasuo main. Yasuo is actually cancerous. And you're plat 5 in EUNE with him which is gold 3 in EUW or NA
I Ban Freelo 1 votesYasuo Cancer
LOL
Junkο2 voteshttps://i.imgur.com/xustYfT.png
D3 was my ranking before I quit LoL for about 4 months (mainly because I bought Overwatch and played the hell out of that). Can't be bothered to climb back up because autofill+Yasuo often banned by salty players. Account is currently decaying and honestly idc because it cannot decay below Gold so I still get the end of season rewards.
And you think shooting from Bronze to Gold in 1 season is impressive? Lol. I recently recovered my old EUW account which has literally Bronze-Silver MMR and people just run at me giving me free kills like I'm playing against bots.
BIH Diamond1 votesYou've never finished above d5 lmao. Not impressive in EUNE.
And you think shooting from Bronze to Gold in 1 season is impressive?
No. This account went from Bronze to Plat 2.
Junkο2 votesYou never finished in Plat smartass, and even if you did it wouldn't be impressive.
BIH Diamond1 votesI never said finished moron. I said it was plat 2 but decayed to g1 lmao.
plat in EU is bronze in NA
Junkο2 votesNo, but you said me being D3 doesn't matter because I never finished in it. So don't bring up your alleged rank like it matters. And last time I checked D5 > P2.
Also I like how your entire argument is "No I'm better than you cause I'm from NA and NA is better than the rest of the world". Racist.
BIH Diamond1 votesDo you know what racism is? Fucking moron.
TotalJerk7 votesIf anything they should take away more base damage and put it into that missing HP.
If Lee Sin has no incentive to use Q as an execute, that means he'll be using it to engage every single time. That also means he has no incentive to use ward hop to engage. This ultimately means that abusing his mobility becomes a lot more forgiving.
Divewing3 votesThis is the kinda thing I hate Lee for.
It's not that he has all this bs, it's that it's soooooooooooo forgiving
Starcraft243ver4 votesThere's no problem with his winrate.
If you want to make him less played, just make him unfunny to play with.
Like : if you want to buy stuff you have to complete a capcha, or smthing.
Wukong Airlines5 votesIt's not about his winrate. It's his winrate compared to his high pickrate and the overloaded kit. I'm pretty sure he'll lose a lot of power if the 8% was removed. and he wont depend on 2 damage items only to 1shot squishies
DaNinad4 votes
highest win rate pick rate, and overloaded
Cowseed1 votesBut let's all ignore him because he's a support and doesn't do damage. It's the meta that favours him and whatnot and whatnot.
Limrick2 votesThresh hasn't had any nerfs or buffs all season, it is actually just the meta lol.
Cowseed1 votesI really don't like how players with obvious bias pick, choose and refuse who they believe are only strong because of 'meta'. It's the same thing with Lee sin. No buffs but he is just strong.
Limrick1 votesLee did get buffed. His lifesteal and spellvamp were increased.
Cowseed1 votesThresh hasn't had any nerfs or buffs all season, it is actually just the meta
Lee sin wasn't buffed this season either. He was only ever nerfed.
Limrick1 votesLee was buffed just before Worlds and wasn't nerfed until recently. Thresh hasn't had anything for over a year.
Cowseed1 votesPatch Notes 7.1
Modernization on E and toning down damage on R.
Quote.png It doesn’t take an experienced analyst to understand that junglers are a little out of line in 7.1. While we’re seeking to address their strength and gank uptime (more on that below), Lee Sin has unsurprisingly found himself at the top of list when it comes to effectiveness. Lee’s R-Q-Q combo is a death sentence to all but the most durable of champions, and while it’s been around for a while, the Blind Monk wasn’t enough of a problem for us to take action. Now that he’s back on top, we’re taking the opportunity to reduce the strength of the interaction - maintaining Dragon’s Rage as a powerful displacement tool, but cutting its raw effectiveness as a pure finisher. Unquote.png
Tempest.jpg E - Tempest
THE BLIND MONK: No longer reveals invisible targets.
ONLY YOU: Now only reveals targets damaged by Tempest (no longer reveals nearby allies of damaged targets)
DragonsRage.jpg R - Dragon's Rage
DAMAGE: 200/400/600 ⇒ 150/300/450
WHY are you having a discussion about nerfing the already nerfed jungler? This is basically contrast to when everyone ignored Ivern because he's a support and didn't do damage despite being 56% or something in winrate.
So you are telling me that this champion should be NERFED soley based on the fact he's played alot? Have you ever, I mean like EVER considered that Lee has a high play rate because of something that you can't fix with Lee himself? That maybe the problems lie outside the champion. The only way you can actually lower Lee's play rate is to make him absolute trash. This is a terrible solution and exactly what your attempting to suggest. And don't give me that lame crap everyone says about 'he had his time in the spot light'. This way of thinking is what makes balance so terrible on the boards at times.
You see a champion a lot and the first thing that comes to your mind is 'I see that champion too often'. For God's sake focus on legitmate problems and I'm not sorry to tell you this but a champion with a 47% winrate is not a problem.
DaNinad1 votesHe has the 33rd win rate out of 35th for a jungler, what else do you want
DaNinad3 votesLee sin has a 47.3% win rate.
That's like saying ezreal was broken a few patches ago when he has the same playrate and win rate as lee sin.
Paroe2 votesLee sin has a 47.3% win rate.
That's like saying ezreal was broken a few patches ago when he has the same playrate and win rate as lee sin.
47.3 win rate with 30% pick rate. Lolno thats not balanced. a 30% pick rate would be 44% win rate. The fact that its so close to 50% despite having such a high pick rate means something is wrong.
48% win rate is what you would expect on a 5% pickrate champion. 50+ is what you would expect on a 1% pick rate champion.
DaNinad3 votes 40% pick rate 53% win rate
30% pick rate 52.5% win rate
??????????????
Divewing5 votes"These are more broken therefore that can't be broken"
<condescending question marks>
BIH Diamond1 votes20% pick rate actually
ChaoticPinecone2 votesHow do you compare pickrate and winrate, but then completely ignore the # of games with the champion.
DunkinNoobs2 votesTaking away the execute on a champ that is all burst is no DPS is a damn good way to make him unplayable.
Asudurga1 votesNot if you change the missing hp damage to only affect monsters.