You can go on a winning streak but you always start your losing streak when you get to promos.
[cass-cry]
If you actually look at the matchmaking, you will see why. When a silver player lanes against a diamond, I wonder what would happen?
I think I will skip ranked this season.
PePsiLemoNN19 votesThre is literally no way you get placed against Diamonds in Silver MMR in soloQ.
Nea10410 votesJust a major evidence that their matchmaking dosn't work at all as they keep telling us :P
Lios Ashenblade2 votesObviously your winning streak put your MMR high enough to pull stronger opponents, but you are still silver, so your team will be silver, its simple math geeze
SwiftKitten8811 votes[{quoted}](name=Lios Ashenblade,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0v1AN7EW,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-01-28T14:45:23.397+0000)
Obviously your winning streak put your MMR high enough to pull stronger opponents, but you are still silver, so your team will be silver, its simple math geeze
and you don't think thats flawed? if my MMR is gold then i should be facing a gold team with gold allies.. because my mmr is gold
how the hell can u say its perfectly fine for a silver team to face a gold team.. its NOT
Lios Ashenblade1 votesBecause it wouldn't be fair to your team, if you are silver on a team of golds, but since your mmr is gold, you should of course be playing against gold... This isn't rocket surgery
SEKAI9 votes[{quoted}](name=Lios Ashenblade,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0v1AN7EW,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-01-28T17:28:18.365+0000)
Because it wouldn't be fair to your team, if you are silver on a team of golds, but since your mmr is gold, you should of course be playing against gold... This isn't rocket surgery
If someone is of skill of gold but is currently in silver, shouldn't they fight against other silver players and consistently winning against them, in order to go into gold?
Like, what's wrong with that?
Are you telling me because someone's gold level in skill only but is still in silver, therefore they must face gold while still being silver? Then what is the point of leagues and divisions to begin with? I mean that literally kills off any reasons to climb because it literally actively prevents the notion of climbing by always matching someone of your equals rather than someone from your elo bracket that is the closest to you; now this silver player needs to be high gold or low plat level to climb their silver games, which is just stupid.
And you wonder why unless you're some high elo smurf blasting through the ladder, ranked is almost an endless grind.
Lios Ashenblade2 votesAfter a certain point, no matter how many fish you done reeled in with this bait, its time to move on...
SEKAI1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lios Ashenblade,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0v1AN7EW,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-28T17:42:00.796+0000)
After a certain point, no matter how many fish you done reeled in with this bait, its time to move on...
I don't quite get it (I kind of do, but lemme just say that I don't), but k.
Tomoe Gozen1 votesYou don't get it. ELO is what matters here, not Divisions and Tiers. Divisions and Tiers are nothing more than break off points where certain divisions/tiers start and end. Essentially, they're nothing more than checkpoints for us to know how far we climbed and how much we have left to the top. So if you're a player with Gold MMR and is currently playing in Silver, that's because the season started and you knew you'd end up lower than you were in the previous season. Which means that Riot can't pinpoint your exact skill level in mere 10 games.
You're paired against the people with similar MMR than you and that's why you should never look at "Gold VS Silver" problem that superficially. Your ELO matters, not your division/tier.
OHminus1 votesYes, but if a silver player has gold mmr, he should be put on a team WITH gold players against other gold players. Not silver players against gold players.
Tomoe Gozen2 votesHow can a Silver player have Gold MMR? If that "Silver" player has Gold MMR, it means he's a Gold level player.
You can't have Challenger MMR and play like a Plat player. Unless you acquired your account through bannable means, that's the only way you're getting higher on the ladder, where you actually don't deserve to be.
OHminus1 votesYou've never seen a silver 1 or silver 2 player with gold mmr?
I've seen so many games where a team of silver 2 players were playing against gold 5 and gold 4 players.
Tomoe Gozen1 votesAgain, Being Silver and Gold means nothing. MMR means everything.
You're never going to see a Challenger MMR player play with Plat players because the MMR difference is too high. But Silver 1/Gold 5 is a border of ELOs with pretty similar MMR and it also depends on how much you're losing on the bottom/winning at the top and then winning\losing just one game to keep you from falling/climbing.
Even Silver 2/Gold 4 isn't a big deal. Too much people get too attached to labels. Labels are not the one that determine your MMR.
Subdue1 votesYes, but if a silver player has gold mmr, he should be put on a team WITH gold players against other gold players. Not silver players against gold players.
If you are silver 1 and go on a win streak your mmr can reach gold 5 level before you complete your promos, and thus you'll be playing with gold players even while you're still listed as silver. Conversely, you can be gold 5 and go on a losing streak. Since dropping tiers requires being one whole tier below in mmr, you can be gold 5 with silver 4 mmr.
SwiftKitten884 votes[{quoted}](name=Lios Ashenblade,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0v1AN7EW,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-01-28T17:28:18.365+0000)
Because it wouldn't be fair to your team, if you are silver on a team of golds, but since your mmr is gold, you should of course be playing against gold... This isn't rocket surgery
matchmaking doesn't care about anything but mmr
if your mmr is gold .. you're gold, and it treats you as if you're gold... simple as that
An Draoi1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lios Ashenblade,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0v1AN7EW,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-01-28T17:28:18.365+0000)
Because it wouldn't be fair to your team, if you are silver on a team of golds, but since your mmr is gold, you should of course be playing against gold... This isn't rocket surgery
rocket surgery?
Trampa1 votes[{quoted}](name=An Draoi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0v1AN7EW,comment-id=0001000000000002,timestamp=2018-01-29T00:23:23.052+0000)
rocket surgery?
http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/additional/large/ea8c_rocket_surgeon.jpg
big boi edri2 votesI looked through your match history and didn't see any past Diamond players?
Highest I saw was like Plat 4 I think? Which if you were Gold 2 last season (which you were), Plat 4 against Gold 2 is still in the same ball park. Doesn't really seem unfair?
Longtowel2 votesI've had a rough streak as well.
I made the terrible mistake of DuoQing with a friend. Both of us has it to win in Silver, and we both had a decent, 55% ish winrate on our own but if we DuoQ botlane, we usually lose the game because Top Mid and Jungle will almost always get thrashed by the enemy team, since the enemy team will have a higher MMR just because we are duoQ.
After a few games we got really tilted because we didn't know the system gives us harder games for DuoQ, so we kept losing, and we dropped a division each, with 10 more games lost than won.
We then figured out the problem and realized that we cannot carry these games since we are nowhere good enough to absolutely smash the enemy lane down bot, so we stopped DuoQ.
The problem is, the losing streak's impact lingered, since it lowered our MMR so much, I started to lose a lot more LP than winning. This made climbing up so much harder. Couple that with a bad luck streak, I kept hovering in S3, and just yesterday dropping to S4 after a 5 game loss streak.
Overall, my SoloQ winrate is a bit over 50%, with my main role, jungle, sitting at 58% playing Eve. But even if your wins and losses even out and you generally win more than lose, it really depends on the order of which the losses and wins happen. If you win 10 games in a row, then I will climb. If I lose 10 in a row I get dropped a division, and often, since I'm not a high Gold player, I don't have the skills to carry a game which is heavily stacked against me.
The thing is, especially at the start of a season, is that people's skills are highly skewed and the matchmaking system isn't smart enough to pick it up.
For example, if I get an Azir mid, who is S3 but played Azir for 15 games with 33% winrate, and his lane opponent is an S4 Zed with 30 games at a 75% winrate, its kind of obvious who wins.
I play jungler since I have the option to influence the entire map, and have a better chance of carrying, but if our midlane dies by the 3 minute mark and is 0/5 by 10 minutes, its almost impossible for me to do much.
So I'd reckon climbing early on in the season might be really hard, since a lot of high elo players (and lower) would be doing placements, or just getting back in. Some games, you would see Plat skill players against Bronze skill players in one game.
Right now its more luck than skill, unless you are a god at the game. It might get better with time though.
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BobaFlautist2 votesJust keep hitting promos and you'll get through eventually.
If you think of promos as "Oh boy here's my chance to move up!", you'll keep getting stressed and disappointed.
If you think of promos as "Good, the system is starting to get convinced that I belong higher, and getting to this LP will be faster next time" then you can just keep wailing away at them until the dice land in your favor.
WolfChases1 votesExactly. XD I was on an insane winning streak when I got promoted to silver 2, after that I got 4 games losing streak when I reached 95 lp. The funniest part is that i had 5/17 Teisted fate in my team, 0/9 Xin Zhao and so on. XD
Subdue1 votesThere is a lot of misinformation in this thread. Matchmaking is based exclusively on mmr. If your mmr is gold then you'll play with other people with gold mmr. Most of these people will be gold tier too, but some of them will be in the same boat as you, silver with gold mmr. If your tier is below your mmr, you earn more lp per win and lose less per loss, because the system wants to get you caught up.
When you go on a long win streak your mmr rises by a lot, and you end up playing with and against better players, which makes the game harder. It is not matchmaker punishing you for a win streak or trying to make you lose.
Ahri Baka1 votesToday in ranked flex , I played with a premade , and had people unranked and Syndra mid , Syndra can't do anything against tanks or 
so it was all on me the adc , we lost because we had an unranked Jax jungle who just dives and dies and asks to report us , and a Nasus in top with the same brain , that was the sickest match I had in a while , I understand having unranked in my matches , but why 2 ? bothwere toxic and new to the game , what's wrong did I do ? the better I play , the more they focus me , meh
N8V Noob1 votesI think people who log on just to feed, are toxic and than afk farm need to be penalized a bit more. Just had a wukong who lost 17 out of his last 20 matches start of the match 0-5-0 raged at the adc (I'm a sup main) and then afk farm. Funny thing is we almost 3v5 their team but both the ADC and this feeding wukong just afk farmed fed and raged in chat. How is Gold V is beyond me. If you see OMGprostitutes just DODGE!
deLuxLaser1 votesI think people who log on just to feed, are toxic and than afk farm need to be penalized a bit more. Just had a wukong who lost 17 out of his last 20 matches start of the match 0-5-0 raged at the adc (I'm a sup main) and then afk farm. Funny thing is we almost 3v5 their team but both the ADC and this feeding wukong just afk farmed fed and raged in chat. How is Gold V is beyond me. If you see OMGprostitutes just DODGE!
Sorry that this happened to you . This is just the problem of the community. Riot should eventually start charging a monthly fee to play, just like blizzard games does...and that's why they have such a better community of ppl. Even charging as low as 5$ a month, would quickly cut the fat in the community. No more duplicate troll accounts or 12 yr old trollers who arnt serious enough to ask parents for the 5$. It could be a smart business decision too by riot , and maybe just make skins less expensive. Or simply make just make ranked queue a 5$ one time fee for life....true trolls will not even pay that. This is just a thought bc there really is a lot gamers who don't really care at all about winning , but if you slap a charge on it,. Things might change .
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Cavesloth2 votesIt is only stressful if you don't understand how it works. League is a 5 v5 game and you will not always have the ability to win every game. it will take a lot of games to get you to where you belong. That is why you have 10 months to play ranked games every season. One streak won't make or break your season, especially this early on in the cycle where there are so many displaced players.
Yeah but its not necessary to take that long, that's just how riot wants it. They just want you to play ranked all season, and its designed to take way longer than it has to get to your rank that the MMR already knows you are after 30 games or so. That's fine for those who share Riots opinion that ranked is the be all end all entire point of the game, but for those of us who really just want to play norms and have fun (which is the entire point of playing games for most of us), but don't want to miss out on some neat free stuff, it sucks fat donkey dong.
Subdue1 votesYeah but its not necessary to take that long, that's just how riot wants it. They just want you to play ranked all season, and its designed to take way longer than it has to get to your rank that the MMR already knows you are after 30 games or so. That's fine for those who share Riots opinion that ranked is the be all end all entire point of the game, but for those of us who really just want to play norms and have fun (which is the entire point of playing games for most of us), but don't want to miss out on some neat free stuff, it sucks fat donkey dong.
This is utterly a ridiculous myth which even the most casual of observers can see, simply by the fact that Elo Boosters exist. If Riot had implemented some sort of system to intentionally slow down your progress, how can Elo Boosters display massive win streaks and raise accounts from Bronze to Diamond in very short amounts of time?
The answer is simple: The closer you get to your appropriate MMR / Tier, the harder it is to win because the the disparity between you and the people you're playing with is smaller.
Lauchmelder1 votesYou completely missed the point.
When you win a lot of games but lose enough you will get to the point where you are facing people from an ELO you belong in (based on MMR) with a rank far lower than your MMR.
I played my G5 promos against G2 players for example (well my first game, I duo'ed with a low silver just to balance this BS).
If your MMR is more than a rank higher than your current rank you should just skip promos alltogether. They might as well remove the double promotion for that.
Subdue1 votes[{quoted}](name=Shuriman God,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0v1AN7EW,comment-id=000a000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-29T08:16:05.531+0000)
You completely missed the point.
When you win a lot of games but lose enough you will get to the point where you are facing people from an ELO you belong in (based on MMR) with a rank far lower than your MMR.
I played my G5 promos against G2 players for example (well my first game, I duo'ed with a low silver just to balance this BS).
If your MMR is more than a rank higher than your current rank you should just skip promos alltogether. They might as well remove the double promotion for that.
If there is no gate to promotion then there should also be no gate to demotion either. If your mmr is gold then you should be gold. If it's silver you could be silver, right?
This is how it used to be. The result of that is that players would just stop playing ranked as soon as they hit a tier because one loss would drop them right back down.
Almost Creative1 votesWell...the "support" 
I had in my last game reminded me how stressful ranked is, not really the unbalanced matchmaking. I started playing ranked last year but I was do terrible so I went back to normals for more practice. I'm on a 3 game losing streak with 0 LP right now with a 4-13 record. I'm starting to wonder if I should just drop ranked all together and go back to normals.
Tomoe Gozen1 votesDon't spread misinformation here. It's not helping anyone.
First of all, everyone who played Ranked last season, it's possible to get to Plat 1 as max. But every player will generally be lower then they were. If a Diamond of last season plays their placements and loses all 10 games, they won't suddenly end up in Bronze because the ladder was soft reset. Which means that there's only so much ELO you can actually lose in 10 games that it's no possible to go back to the fresh value of a new account with straight 10 losses.
Secondly, the reason why start or the season is rocky is because everyone is mixed in together. Challengers and Masters quickly can get to Diamond and breeze through the lower ranks and this is true for all ELOs. If you're a Plat player, you won't stay in Silver that long.
SB Arneeman1 votesJust focus on your own gameplay and you will climb.
Sonasaurous1 votesThis is why I'm perma-bronze. Cuz I'd rather play norms and enjoy my life than play ranked with little incentives other than a couple aesthetics and bragging rights that are meaningless outside of the league community.
KVbqbFsC8e1 votesI wish I had this same "problem" the Silver and Bronze players on this board constantly complain about. You guys are lucky to only get trash teammates after you go on large winstreaks; I get them every other game.
