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Dealing with Tank Ekko (this is how you do it)

Woook3r··3 votes·1,223 views

Draven item 3072 item 3035 item 3155 . This build costs 6k gold and some practice with draven. Its cheep, gold-wise. Not as cheep as item 3025 item 3068, but dravens passive u know? Draven has the dmg to 1v1 ekko with this build as long as he doesnt get stunned. After he gets hex drinker, he can probably even win out thru the stun if he also buys item 3111 or item 3140 . This is how you do it guys.

If you have the BT LW like you should, you cant stop ekko from engaging on you, but thats fine. Use your e to peel off any help he might get from other champions or use it as an interrupt to prevent him from quickly proccing his passive with a second auto attack. Dodge the back end of the q and try to kite him while getting as much life back as possible. Use your ult to dps him while you w to try getting as much distance as possible.

Tank ekko has 6 second cooldowns on abilities and a 4 second cooldown on passive. U have 6 seconds before 500 dmg of burst comes in from abilities and 4 seconds before 200 dmg of burst from passive and 70-100 dmg from the grasp proc. That should give you at least 4-6 autos before the full second rotation comes back up.

With blood thirster and last whisper and your spinning axe, that should equal at LEAST 200 hp in life steal and probably much more. If you have heal then thats 500 more hp easily and then the blood thirst shield makes that around 600-700 more hp ekko has to get thru. So u can survive the second rotation as well. He cant ACTUALLY kill you without help or without ignite (which i dont see tank ekko running).

Ashe can build these as well due to her dmg AND AS steroid on the q, just not as well overall. She does have a stun tho. Just need to stun at the right time. Right in the middle of the qe combo before ekko passive proc. U going to need full attack speed runes with her.

23 Comments

Woook3r3 votes

If you down vote this thread you dont know what you are talking about. Ekko's base armor is shit. LW is more effective against tank ekko than against every other tank. His combo does around 500 dmg, without ap and will always take multiple rotations to kill you. If you have BT, then you just increase the number of rotations to kill you from 2 rotations to 3 or 4. It takes upwards of 20 seconds for tank ekko to produce 3-4 rotations. Draven can kill anyone in 20 seconds.

In my above calculations, I didnt factor in ekkos sunfire dmg. I dont know what exact dmg that item deals to champions. I dont think it greatly effects my analysis. Depending on the dot, you might need to pop your heal to deal with it. Thats overkill however, and i dont think that would be needed if you can get a little bit of peel from your team.

I know that this analysis is correct because ive 1v1'd a fed ekko with a vamp scepter, lw, a crit build, and no hex drinker. I was dealing more dmg, but I had less survivability. This build is cheeper, gives more life steal, more mr, and a magic shield. Theres no way it isnt even better at dealing with ekko. None.

If he continues to build armor items, you quickly upgrade last whisper to LDR (1400 g). Static shyv is your next item. The hexdrinker is fine for now, but if he tries to build morellos, you build into maw first. Means more life steal to combat GW, bigger shield to combat GW, even more resistances, some attack speed, and flat armor penetration, which is funny because he stopped building armor and therefore this is more effective.

WinBoat2 votes

As an Ekko main, 1v1, Ekko stomps Draven. I'm sorry.

The only 2 ADC's that have a legit chance beating him is... Drum roll please.....

Kalista and Ezreal and also maybe Vayne

Kalista can stomp most people as it is and keep you slowed so you can't get to her. She can easily out 1v1 Ekko. EZ can just poke Ekko all day and keep teleporting out. Vayne does incredible damage, and can have outplay potential.

Other than that as an Ekko main, I don't think any other adc beats Ekko.

Woook3r1 votes

U look like you rush morellos on ekko, instead of IBG. Clearly the GW would counter this build. Congrats. You are not tank ekko and this build does not apply to you. An early maw of malmortious would fuck you up tho.

WinBoat1 votes

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Woook3r1 votes

Are you talking about my use of U instead of you? Ok. you win. i dont always use capitol letters either. or commas

i have a degree in physics and score in the 97th percentile on the gre. im in bronze because i wanted to main adc and theres no support down here. im also a new player. Im most likely much smarter than you, even though I dont like that word, "smarter". It doesnt mean that much. Humility and a good will matter a hell of a lot more. So theres no room to insult my intelligence. If you want to insult my grammar, at least learn how to use commas yourself.

"Obviously your brain compacity is off, so no wonder your thread seems so lame, but the thumbs down should speak volumes, but you're narrow minded, it's ok little one." This is a run on sentence and you should have put a comma after obviously. So now you are a hypocrite. Congrats.

I looked at your match history, you DO build morellos on ekko. Its in all of your most recent games that I can see. U go morellos and randuins. Ok?

And ekko is actually a counter to kalista, as MS slows double as attack speed slows for that champion. I'm sorry you cant land your q on her. Try not to E then Q. Thats the freelo combo. Q first, then E. The projectile is very skinny at close range and even I miss with it.. Git gud. Q from range. Stop missing.

zLuminova1 votes

I hope this post was a joke lol

Marshbouy1 votes

why would it be a joke?

zLuminova2 votes

Well for one thing, bloodthirster by itself costs close to 4k gold, which is when i started to think this might be a joke. BT,LW,Hex add up to be 6.3K. And the fact that tank ekko got severely nerfed since 4 days before this post so it's not nearly as good as AP ekko now. Please link the game where you "1v1'd a fed ekko". Also what kind of pro tank ekko do you know that is gonna build morellonomicon?

Marshbouy1 votes

Im not the guy who did this. I didnt think about it, 3k more gold is a little bit of a stretch tho for an "easy" way to counter it

zLuminova1 votes

ah sry my bad, thought you were OP

LOL that moment when you see a theorycrafting post but the OP can't add

Woook3r2 votes

Yea :(. I added maw and didnt change the number. At first, I had just put BT and LW and then I added the HD. Even then my estimation is off by 1k.

Thanks. Ill edit.

Woook3r1 votes

Then why do I see it getting banned continuously? Ppl just in a habit? Dont think the nerfs ruin tank ekko. The problem is sunfire FG and those didnt get touched. Tank ekko nearly as strong as before. Laning phase just weaker, does not much matter. Yes, maybe ap better, tank not much affected. I dont feel any better with ap than before.

zLuminova1 votes

I dunno why people are banning it. Could be habit from when he was op. Could be they don't wanna deal with AP ekko since that got buffed. But what I can tell you is that his winrate plat+ dropped 4% (57->53) so it's a bit weird that you can say tank ekko is nearly as strong as before.

Woook3r1 votes

53% is a really strong win rate. yea. its not 57%, but its clearly still strong. Ekko is a FOTM champ and ive seen crap videos of him dominate. hes got the artificial deflation effect. Ppl that suck with him will pick him regardless. I would expect to see his play rate drop a bit and his win percent rise a bit in response to that. Probably wont get back to 57%.

You think hes NOT strong?

Its not weird that I say tank ekko is still strong. Its defiantly less weird than continuing to permaban ekko.

Regardless, the fact that I 1v1 tank ekko with this build BEFORE nerfs 100% means I can 1v1 him AFTER nerfs. So im NOT sure how you can say "he got nerfed", "is much weaker" and "no this is a joke build, ekko will still kill you". THAT is weird AND its contradictory. Tank ekko does not build enough dmg to one shot. That gives you time to lifesteal. Lifesteal means he needs +1 rotation to kill you. +1 rotation means you have time to kill him or get some peel.

Its that simple man. Yea. Ok. Maybe i have too much confidence. Ill give you that. Ekko can still kill you with this build. He can stun you or he can slow you long enough that someone else can stun you. But this build gives you the best chance and draven would have more success on this build than anyone else AND he doesnt have the issue of being behind due to the tank items being 1k gold cheeper. His passive makes up for that.

zLuminova1 votes

I'd say 53% is alright, but not broken as before. I would expect his play rate to drop, but I doubt his win rate will change too much, maybe 1% lower or higher. But I was asking if this was a joke since it came right after tank ekko got nerfed pretty significantly. Maybe if you posted this last patch, people would take it more seriously. I didn't say this was a joke build, i said this was a joke post. This build is great versus a tank, that's not a debate. I'm just saying that this is not the end all be all way of dealing with something that isn't even broken anymore. Also, you can't say "his passive makes up for that" as if you're gonna get to cash in on it every game. Also 6.3K-4K is closer to 2K difference than 1K.

Woook3r1 votes

i saved the post because I was 1v1 with ekko in a game where both he and I were getting fed. draven gets fed better than other champions and its not going to happen every game. So with the assumption that you cant realistically deal with something thats broken, I wouldnt post this.

now he is more balanced and ppl can expect to deal with ekko a little more realistically with this build. The point is, you dont see ppl rushing lw and bloodthirster in this meta. There arent enough adc's with the ad steroids to make this worth. Two that I can think of, and one is much less valid with out crit. Rito needs to make another adc that can rush BT and deal dmg. Maybe Graves is a third, but he got nerfed with respect to lifestealing because of his e.

Woook3r1 votes

Its not. Ive 1v1 tank ekko. His base armor is shit. LDR makes bonus armor 50% less effective and therefore he is relying just as much on base armor as bonus armor. He doesnt have the dmg to kill you unless you are stunned. U literally wreck him if he tries to stick to you. He has to run.

Why dont you try it before you criticize? Follow the calculations if you dont play draven/suck at him. Ekko needs multiple rotations to kill you, regardless of bloodthirster shield. That means you have plenty of time to get enough life to force him to use a third rotation. As long as you dont get stunned or ignited or take dmg from a second champion, then you are gucci.

The reason for ekko's win rate is because no adc's besides graves tend to rush lifesteal and last whisper. Last whisper is seen as a shit item (news flash, its not) and bloodthirster is seen as infirior to infinity edge. Well, blood thirster is typically just as good or BETTER than IE on draven as long as you arent far behind. It sub optimal on most other adc's, but less so on ashe and thats why I mentioned her as well.

Tank ekko is a thing because low elo doesnt think for themselves and high elo devalues lifesteal ("imma kite dont need no lifesteal") and hasnt yet realized that building tank on a squishy champion is hard countered by really high %bonus armor pen.

Yes, maybe "tank ekko" needs a nerf (or rather sunfire needs a nerf), but this draven build isnt popular enough, given the success it has against him. There is ONE problem with the build in and of itself. Ekko is an assassin type and sunfire FG are too efficient. That means you are actually BEHIND "tank ekko" from the start of the game. However, a 1/0/X Draven is AHEAD of everyone on the map.

Dont fucking die to teleport. Make sure you have janna or karma to support you with a speed shield and a tether or a tornado.

zLuminova1 votes

I don't play draven, but I've played enough of this game to have a general idea of how most things work

Also, you speak as if you only have played with/against bronze people

"Last whisper is seen as a shit item (news flash, its not)" - last whisper is obviously very efficient vs armor builds "bloodthirster is seen as infirior to infinity edge." - no one builds IE before lifesteal on draven, dunno where this came from and why you think high elo devalues lifesteal on draven... have you ever played in high elo?

I think maybe you need to put down your magic theorycrafting hat and actually play against some tank ekkos in real games (if you can even find any decent players that don't favor AP ekko anymore)

Woook3r1 votes

Not sure why you think no one builds IE before life steal on draven. Do you want me to post a video of sneaky with Dblade + IE as the only items Draven's inventory? Ive had D1's tell me to rush IE over BT and in games where you dont get dived easily, this is fine.

However, the video of sneaky I am talking about is a video where he walked out of base, got into a fight, landed exactly 0 crits out of 5 or more auto attacks, and died in the river without killing anyone. So yea, pple do prioritize IE over BT.

And when I say that ppl devalue LW, I frequently see tanks on qt pie's stream rampaging all over his face even though he has three items in inventory. Thats because he has no LW third item. I see a lot of IE, RFC, Maw builds. Thats cool, but not when gragas is dicking your entire team. Still. LDR doesnt get picked up. I dont even see the 1300 g LW item, which you should be working on right after your second item, even if you need maw.

zLuminova1 votes

You're giving me an example of a pro that hardly ever plays draven and it's a time he died and lost the game badly to show me that people build IE over BT? That's quite the cherry picking. Also, the reason people don't get LW early isn't because they devalue LW, it's because there's more than just tanks on the map.

Woook3r1 votes

The fact is, ppl now prioritize ghost blade over anything else because the armor pen makes his ultimate really strong and movespeed is a god send on him.

Before the rework of ghost blade, ie was the first item rush and historically, BT is dravens SECOND item, not his first. Now, since ppl are getting something other than IE first, it looks like BT wins out because nothing has changed to make BT a third buy instead of second. But as far as first item slot goes, ppl pref ghost blade, then IE, then BT. Second item is BT or attack speed. Third item used to be last whisper, now its IE bc ppl dont value it.

So the fact that ie now gets bought before BT in a lot of the games is deceptive. Its only because GB is so strong and fills dravens first item slot. If you nerf the ad on ghost blade (not going to happen) you would see IE rush rather than GB and BT second would be invariant as it practically is now.

stealthfox941 votes

I somehow beat him with AD bruiser Fizz.

Woook3r1 votes

fizz's missing % magic dmg kicks in earlier than ekko's. maybe thats why

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