Personal observation about marksman/bot lane

PhantomGG··10 votes·549 views

A big observation balancing flaw i always noticed about bot lane marksman, is that it seems to be a flip of a quarter class/position when you are playing solo.

So basically this is what i mean by that, if you area good adc, winning feels pretty fifty fifty, especialy once you reach the elo you belong in. What do I mean by thius?

If your team is mediocore and ties during lane phase, or simply doesn't get completely crushed. You as an good adc player can completely take over the mid game if your team does the basic peeling needs you ask for. The game at this point is won if your better than your rival adc. However.

If your team is hard core feeding during lane phase, Mid is running a food kitchen for zed and rengar, Top is a charity for the enemy fiora. Then you as the adc, are in a pretty fucked up position. For unlike your support, you can't roam, and even if you did, you are making A HUGE RISK of sacrifincg farm and tower.

So basically a core issue i have with this position and why I rarely play it in ranked, is simply...even if your playing something broken, your the only position in this game where you are BEGGING your teamates to not feed during lane phase.

Jungle can do something about it, mid can do something about it, even top and support can do something about it. But unless your playing something like twitch, you really don't have any options as an adc to stop your teamates from feeding. Your best and only option, is to play hard core aggressive and try to get first blood tower..and even than..that puts you at high risk of being ganked.

So yeah that's my issue with marksman and why it's a stupidly unbalanced class.

You automatically won if your good and your teamates didn't feed their butts off. You automatically lost if they are feeding for as a marksman it's literally impossible for you to roam if your not twitch. .

7 Comments

Done257 votes

That's the problem with pure dps w/no utility designs. Especially for champs who scale 90% off of how much gold they have. They're either feast or famine.

Aimléss5 votes

This post is actually pretty spot on, the only thing you forgot to mention is the party in bot which could put a good ADC behind and there's nothing they can really do about it.

F0zzyBear1 votes

I really don't love to complain about my role, I usually just say "regardless of my team I'll eventually be good enough to play through this.", BUT I agreed with your post completely. Even when I play with my friends over comms, I beg them just not to feed and I should be able to carry us through the game.

PhantomGG1 votes

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I really don't love to complain about my role, I usually just say "regardless of my team I'll eventually be good enough to play through this.", BUT I agreed with your post completely. Even when I play with my friends over comms, I beg them just not to feed and I should be able to carry us through the game.

Honestly I don't think their is any way to fix this flaw with the bot lane marksman role, I think it's a sacrifice you simply have to make if you chose to one trick the role, when you think about it, I don't think we have ever had a rank 1 challenger adc main, and these reasons are most likely why, for most often rank one is either mid or jungle. What are those roles? Roles that can roam.

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Hügö1 votes

When I'm good at top and my team don't feed I can win. When I'm good at mid and my team don't feed I can win. When I'm good at jungle and my team don't feed I can win. When I'm good at support and my team don't feed I can win.

When noone feeds and you are good at your role you can win. You can win when you are good at top and mid is a bit behind, but you can't win when you are good at top and your marksmen is behind.

PhantomGG2 votes

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When I'm good at top and my team don't feed I can win. When I'm good at mid and my team don't feed I can win. When I'm good at jungle and my team don't feed I can win. When I'm good at support and my team don't feed I can win.

When noone feeds and you are good at your role you can win. You can win when you are good at top and mid is a bit behind, but you can't win when you are good at top and your marksmen is behind.

Here is the difference though

"if I am X role and my team don't feed I can win"

"if I am adc and my team don't feed, I WILL win"

Nyarlathοtep1 votes

Unfortunately this is a flaw in every team game. And there is nothing riot can do about. Without getting abused of course.

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