You lose full LP on ALL ROLES when you dodge. ie: You lose more LP for dodging than for losing.

Jesus is Savior··5 votes·3,968 views

These scenarios will be assuming you already dodged at least once, and are receiving the -10 LP penalty (which resets to -3 LP after 16 hours of no dodging).

Scenario 1: I get my secondary or autofilled role. I either don't want to play it because it's boring, or because I suck at it, or because I have trolls in champ select, etc.... Here are my options:

A) Play out the game, risk losing, and lose 3 LP from my main role and lose 20 LP from my secondary role. I also have the chance of actually winning, and gaining 3 LP on my main role.

B) Dodge, and lose 10 LP from all roles, including my main role.

What do you think I'm going to do?

Scenario 2: I actually care about climbing on all my roles, but I get my main role 90% of the time. I dodge a lot on my main role, because my preferred champions are high pick/ban and I don't want my team to suffer through me playing a champion I'm not good at (and also trolls and stuff happens as well). I have played my main role 10 games in a row, and have dodged 5 times in that time period because of picks/bans/trolls (I have been assigned my role 15 times, dodged 5 of them, and played 10 of them out). Because I am consistently winning, I am still climbing on my main role despite the dodging. For game 11, I finally get assigned a different role. I now have 3 options:

A) Dodge, and lose 10 LP on all roles.

B) Play it out and try really hard to win.... And this role is at negative 50 LP because I dodged 5 times, so I will win and still be far into the negative.

C) This role is going to be permanently in the negative LP, why should I care about tryharding at all? Just play it out and whatever happens, happens.

So.... Good job on your new ranked system I guess? This encourages intentional griefing (not caring/giving up) as well as unintentional griefing (people who would normally dodge and eat the LP loss.... Are not encouraged to change their behavior and just play it out even when it is highly likely they won't win). You shouldn't lose LP on unassigned roles when you dodge. It's as simply as that. And the system is going to be garbage until this is fixed lol.

Bonus points: you can't even check your LP on your secondary roles until after a game, because your profile only shows your main role's LP. So a lot of people aren't going to notice for a couple weeks, but then when they do, they're going to troll HARD.

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EDIT:

It has been brought to my attention that the "ranked" tab in your profile now shows your roles and LP instead of simply showing you your position on some obscure ladder like it used to. So you can actually test this easily yourself by dodging once and checking your profile (just note that if you normally don't dodge, you will lose 3 LP from all roles instead of 10).

15 Comments

Saezio6 votes

WoW. Just play the game mate. Don't dodge. It is beyond me how someone thought so much about dodging or how they have dodged 33,3% of the games they get their main role.

Jesus is Savior2 votes

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WoW. Just play the game mate. Don't dodge. It is beyond me how someone thought so much about dodging or how they have dodged 33,3% of the games they get their main role.

I don't have fun when I play champions I don't like. This is a video game. I want to have fun.

(I also like to win, but that's besides the point)

Saezio2 votes

so in those 5 games you dodged you had a champ you don't like. And there wasn't a champ for you to pick from 123-132 champions that you liked. Seems like you liking to win is not besides the point.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

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so in those 5 games you dodged you had a champ you don't like. And there wasn't a champ for you to pick from 123-132 champions that you liked. Seems like you liking to win is not besides the point.

Riot keeps reworking the champs I like, so yes. My champ pool is pretty limited at the moment. If I ever get you in one of my ranked games, let me know in champ select, and I'll first time some random champion I've never played before. Maybe he'll be a fun champion.

Saezio1 votes

OOOh you are a OTP now I get it. Yeah OTPs have to dodge a lot, nvm what I said. You presented it like you just didn't want to play champs that are not busted, you just legit don't know how to play other champs. Sorry, didn't realise this was regarding OTP players

ChaddyFantome2 votes

[{quoted}](name=I Follow Christ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0dUVsYe2,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-29T16:10:34.072+0000)

I don't have fun when I play champions I don't like. This is a video game. I want to have fun.

(I also like to win, but that's besides the point)

Then play norms? in ranked, you are playing to play for the W.

Jesus is Savior2 votes

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Then play norms? in ranked, you are playing to play for the W.

In norms people ff because they're down 1 cs and 1 kill. No thanks.

Colonel J3 votes

This is a good decision since it stops people from manipulating the system by queueing their main role as a secondary and keeps people from dodging if they don't get their main.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Colonel J,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0dUVsYe2,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-29T16:01:05.414+0000)

This is a good decision since it stops people from manipulating the system by queueing their main role as a secondary.

I don't see how that would manipulate the system at all, but okay. We already discussed this in discord and you didn't really explain it there either.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

good thing i dont give a shit about all roles, and will still keep dodging impossible matchups.

Saezio1 votes

I think dodges should take LP from the roles one submitted when queuing instead of the one they were assigned. And wins should in return reward LP splash for the submitted roles instead of all the roles.

So like if you dodge you lose 10 lp for those roles each, if you win on the assigned roll you get LP for the role you won in plus maybe 7 for primary and 5 for secondary (values should vary based on MMR and MMR difference between the roles) and 0 for the rest 2 roles obv

This way people are given reason to not dodge and reason to rank up their off roles so that the smaller the gap the more points they earn per off role victory for their main.

Awf Meta1 votes

There is McDonalds.

There is home-made from scratch.

League is McDonalds. Serve as many people a mediocre product as fast as possible.

Muted Summoner1 votes

If you got a troll pick can't you switch champs with someone and yall swap roles to avoid ur main lp loss?

Jesus is Savior1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Twin Crows,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0dUVsYe2,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-02-27T06:09:05.694+0000)

If you got a troll pick can't you switch champs with someone and yall swap roles to avoid ur main lp loss?

sure, but if you do it too much then positional matchmaking gets disabled.

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