So when can we nerf Lifesteal?

Niyumi··5 votes·1,302 views

Camille - item 3078 item 1400 item 3748 item 3009 item 1028 item 1029

vs.

Ashe - item 3072 item 3508 item 3085 item 3006 item 1042 item 1042

Guess who won because of their bullshit lifesteal? She LITERALLY STOOD THERE as I ulted her, landed my W, used Titanic as well as both hits of my Q (7 autos, like what?)... but, you know, lifesteal is fair.

"ADCs die if caught out in a 1v1 -- they're super squishy!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kwLNJ1k2i4&feature=youtu.be

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PermabannedGaren4 votes

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Camille - item 3078 item 1400 item 3748 item 3009 item 1028 item 1029

vs.

Ashe - item 3072 item 3508 item 3085 item 3006 item 1042 item 1042

Guess who won because of their bullshit lifesteal? She LITERALLY STOOD THERE as I ulted her, landed my W, used Titanic as well as both hits of my Q (7 autos, like what?)... but, you know, lifesteal is fair.

"ADCs die if caught out in a 1v1 -- they're super squishy!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kwLNJ1k2i4&feature=youtu.be

You might want to consider actually building some armour against the AD champion to reduce their lifesteal.

Instead of useless swifties, get ninja tabi. And maybe don't build Camille like a glass cannon when you're behind, which you obviously were (Titanic is not a real tank item).

Ashe also had two levels and you and baron, which provides stats.

Yet despite all this, if Ashe hadn't been shielded at the end by Karma, you probably would have won that duel.

Please stop posting. You're not intelligent enough to realize why you lost, and too stubborn to admit your error when it's pointed out.

Niyumi2 votes

You might want to look at my other posts. I can play a Darius and have nearly 300 armor and still lose to ADCs, I can play Camille with 4k health and 180 armor and lose a 2v1 versus a Yasuo with a Rumble backing me up, I can ult 5 people PLUS Ashe's spirit as Illaoi and not kill her with several W casts... lifesteal is absurd.

I know you like your freelo, but it needs to be nerfed. Nothing unintelligent about it. Though, you know, whales love playing ADCs, and so I really doubt Riot will ever nerf them.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Except ADCs you're complaining about, like Ashe and Vayne, are among the cheaper champs.

So fail.

LeBlanc Rose1 votes

Firstly, ever heard about kiting? Darius is extremely kiteable. How fed were you against that Yasuo? Yasuo players have been known to win 1v5s. As for illaoi, her tentacles don't do ridiculous amounts of damage unless you actually do well and land them...

Also, with Ashe, for her to not lose any hp, you have to be dealing 20% of the damage she is dealing. This, with a glass cannon build, poi8nts to your lack of skill

Rock MD3 votes

I mean that wasn't really a 1v1 you ate Karma's Q and you would've had Ashe if it wasn't for the clutch shield.

Niyumi2 votes

Karma didn't come in until like 3-4 seconds after I jumped on Ashe.

But, you know, when I do more damage to A FUCKING GAREN THAN AN ASHE... there's a major issue.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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Karma didn't come in until like 3-4 seconds after I jumped on Ashe.

But, you know, when I do more damage to A FUCKING GAREN THAN AN ASHE... there's a major issue.

of course you are going to do more damage to a Garen, he is made of toilet tissue when his W isn't up. The ashe managed to survive long enough for her support to arrive and provide backup. If you had an actual damaging build instead of a sorry excuse of a bruiser build you would have killed Ashe before Karma got there. You lost because your build didn't allow you to do enough damage to kill her before Karma came and shielded her while making you eat a Q and E

bbQsauçe2 votes

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PermabannedGaren3 votes

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Anyone defending this bullshit is delusional. Lifesteal needs nerf.

Anyone defending this bullshit has a brain. Read my post.

bbQsauçe2 votes

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LeBlanc Rose1 votes

So build item 3165 or item 3033 . Your issue is? This means you are dealing 20% of the damage they are doing.

Calabok2 votes

SOON . in the year 2088

Kuronii Lumiira2 votes

The thread is full of morons who're just sitting on their "holier than thou" thrones and didacticising, mostly because they're "fine" with their seating opinions about the game. And because they enjoy being patronising assholes.

We got rid of Spell Vamp in the broad sense because squishy mages were sitting outside of everyone's range and healing up without interacting very much with their enemies. They were also doing it from a position where they didn't put themselves in harm's way.

Now, we have marksmen who just build bloodthirster and just heal up to full health outside of combat with an infinite resource on minions whenever they take the least amount of damage. You want to have a sense of chipping away at someone who got caught out? Too bad, there's lifesteal. You want to feel like your efforts are making a difference in how they choose to engage? Too bad, there's lifesteal and you just delayed the fight. Oh, but -mages- can't heal up. That would be demoralising when someone you chunked out still gets to fight because they heal up while barely interacting with enemies at range

Rewt1 votes

lifesteal is fine. you were up against an ashe. ashe can proc her q and make the lifesteal effectiveness increase 5 fold. Its not the fault of the items, but a fault of you diving into an ashe who also had assistance.

also why are you complaining that you couldnt kill an adc. its BULLSHIT that you got THAT CLOSE. you have a trinity, titanic and warriors enchant. thats not damage. thats 1 meh damage item, the absolutely busted Trinity force, and the bullshit titanic hydra. you are using ridiculously overtuned items and being able to be super tanky and then complaining that a FULL DAMAGE build killed you and you BRUISER build didnt one shot her

RexSaur1 votes

You know ashe Q procs on hit effets 5 times per auto right? So every auto while the Q is active she gets 5 times the lifesteal value.

And you know it only lasts for 4 seconds and take a while for her to get it back, you're not supposed to all in ashe when she has it up, you're supposed to wait it out/kite and then go in when its down as ashe cant do anything at that point.

God forbid you have to use ur head to play around cooldowns.

Niyumi2 votes

But, you know, it was ASHE'S ULT DAMAGE THAT MADE HER BROKEN THE ENTIRE TIME -- right? She was pick / ban not too long ago, and they nerf everything BUT her issue, because of her fucking Project skin.

This isn't just Ashe though, this is every ADC and melee ADC. A Yi standing in an MFs ult, this, a Yasuo 1v2ing a Rumble and Camille, an Ashe tanking a 6-man Illaoi ult for the entire duration, and so on. Lifesteal needs to be fucking gutted. It eliminates the ONE AND ONLY WEAKNESS ADCS HAVE.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

ashe ult damage? lol its ap and she cant make it better cuz you know why ... oh wait SHE DONT BUILD AP

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

OH BTW their entire team was PHYSICAL damage you got NO ARMOR

if you had the less bit of a tank item with some ARMOR you would of negated alot of her damage and lifesteal cuz it is directly effected based on how much damage the champ does ... so if you have more armor you take less damage therefore she will lifesteal less due to doing less damage to you

Void Nargacuga1 votes

LIfesteal is procced per every arrow in the flurry due to it being an AA, though it calculates like this for Damage Per Arrow: 21 / 22 / 23 / 24 / 25% AD and Total Damage Per Flurry: 105 / 110 / 115 / 120 / 125% AD. But things like item 3153 passive which is an on-hit effect, only proc once per flurry (AA). She is also most likely healing off damage dealt from the extra bolts of item 3085 .

Elisheva1 votes

When it becomes overpowered.

Niyumi1 votes

Implying it's not?

Elisheva1 votes

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Implying it's not?

The only time it feels op is when you are a no damage tank trying to fight an adc.

Who is Taliyah1 votes

-Builds titanic hydra -Builds no other tank item

Are you really asking why you lost. Besides, the clutch shield from karma and the damage from karma Q made a big difference

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