is riot a bunch of mage mains/syndra mains?
we have a freaking huge number of champ to ban 
without forgetting that bronze/silver people are going to ban 
and leave gamebreaking champs
so are you telling us that her ban rate decreased because people [realised that she wasn't op]?
playing against syndra is like playing against except that syndra trades mobility for more range and utility
paisy56 votesApparently Riot are a bunch of things.
I've heard they're AD elitists
I've heard they only favor tanks (CotC)
Now they're apparently mage mains lol
I'm not opposed to Syndra nerfs (I really want them), but everyone always does this
Jofeyy3 votesRemember when riot was a bunch of jungle mains.
Kek
Joe Mana32 votes[deleted]
500000000000000011 votesRioters main ranged melee tanky DPS assassin mage tank support jungler
WoonStruck21 votesSo Graves?
500000000000000013 votesNo, because if that were the case Graves would still have his cigar
Unvictus3 votesSo lee sin?
ForgiveColour2 votesI dont remember the last time an ad champion was a viable pick in the mid lane
President Swa1n11 votes ??
aspects17 votesLC$ BIG PLAY$
Gregor Gysi32 votes[{quoted}](name=Sanji fanboy,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0Qr5NaAf,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-12-04T11:26:42.626+0000)
is riot a bunch of mage mains/syndra mains?
we have a freaking huge number of champ to ban [...]
You have to ban.. Riven? 2nd highest avg. games played and 27th highest winrate (of 55 toplaners).. Okay?
without forgetting that bronze/silver people are going to ban
You aren't playing ranked and you have a mid silver MMR. But sure, go ahead and bash people for being low elo.
AirKingNeo2 votesRiven's banrate and playrate in pretty high in High Elo, same with Kha.
Gregor Gysi8 votesRiven has a 3.7% banrate and a 15% pickratio in dia+. Considering how Riven always has atleast 10% pickratio even when super bad (as seen in early S6) this is pretty damn low.
I think you misunderstood, he doesn't want to ban Kha and insults those that do. But yes, Kha has a 35% banrate in dia+.
UkeNeverSeme3 votesCurrently it's actually super broken with courage of the colossus into certain matchups, but y except for that playstyle riven is pretty trash... but really. Courage of the Colossus riven is DUMB AS FUCK.
Sraeg201326 votesRegardless of what their reasoning was for pulling out that particular Syndra nerf, you should be thankful.
Why?
Because that nerf would do jack shit for you. You wouldn't notice the difference, because that never was the problem.
The problem was always MYMU which completely destroyed her learning curve and difficulty. Anybody at any point of the game after level 13 can do a 7-sphere ult with little-to-zero setup. Before it was reserved to a 1-2 second long window after a 12+ second long setup.
That is the problem here and until Riot doesn't address it correctly (reverting the goddamn thing) you will be stuck with playing against Syndra.
Sincerly A Syndra main since December 2012
softest boy11 votes100% yes.... just change that stupid W passive. It is ridiculously powerful at maintaining spheres. I think the Q passive is fine because it does not force Syndra to build CDR, but the W passive seriously needs to go.
Cowseed4 votes...What's MYMU?
Hyrum Graff6 votes...What's MYMU?
Mid year mage update
Borbland24 votesYasuo only bronze/silver ? He is annoying at all levels.
Nami in Bush4 votesYasuo only bronze/silver ? He is annoying at all levels.
No. he's dogshit in Plat+
DoktorKaiser19 votesYeah thats why when I watch high diamond/ challenger streamers he often solo carries the game, its prob because he is so baaad and only bronzies can lose to Yasuo. Nerf this cancer.
Shadòw23 votestbh the 
are going to affect and nerf many Mages indirectly, including and 
.
Spoofghoul7 voteslike they ever really needed that item
Sahn Uzal5 votesEspecially Syndra. They were just straight up abusing the item.
Best princess EU4 votesRylai is right now a strong item on syndra
but how does that matter? after the new patch she's going to replace it with luden and nothing will change she never used the rylai slow.
LankPants12 votesIf Luden's was almost as good as Rylai's you'd see Syndra actually prioritise it on occasion. As it stands Luden's is Syndra's 6th most common item while Rylai's is her 2nd most common. Pretending that this won't be a hit to Syndra is either disingenuous or naïve.
The reason why Rylai's is so much better than Luden's is it's stats. 400 HP VS 10% MS is a non-contest, 400 HP is drastically better. The Rylai's passive is also useful while the Luden's is overpriced and very weak until late game.
Syndra won't even buy Luden's in place of Rylai's. She'll just go for an earlier Void and then complete Zhonya's because trying to build no bulk at all on an immobile mage doesn't work.
I'd expect the best Syndra build on the next patch to be 
then situationally items like 
or 
.
I'd also say a tear build is more likely than Luden's 3rd, it gives up early game but if you want to spike at 3 items, which is what Luden's or current Rylai's is trying to do it's just better than a 3rd item Luden's. It scales pretty well too.
Shadòw14 voteskinda true,
why would they even need an item that slows?
slow should be part of champions kits so you can balance around them.
an item that slows on every ability is pretty much already broken on paper.
just like 
.
i think 
is fine as it has a CD and is tied to casting a spell and AAing
LankPants20 votesi think
The problem with Iceborn is Ezreal.
DoktorKaiser7 votesNo it isnt, he gives away retarded amounts of 
damage for that kiting potential, its a fair trade.
LankPants16 votesI'm not going to argue against that, I've personally almost always preferred Tri Ezreal. But you really can't argue against the fact that when Iceborn is strong Ez abuses the everliving fuck out of it because he ignores the intended weaknesses of the item.
Sagan Forever2 votesWrong the problem with was tanks like 
and tank 
, 
appearing to get damage and tankyness and becoming unkillable monsters that would slowly but surely murder you.
WoonStruck7 votesIts only viewed as a problem because glass-cannon is the standard these days for damage-focused champs.
You'd get laughed out of the game seasons 1/2/3 for going glass.
ADCs would often grab a defensive item as their 3rd/4th, like Banshee's Veil. Sometimes two defensive items. Mages almost always had 2 forms of survivability. WotA, RoA, Abyssal, Zhonya's, Rylai's, Banshee's Veil, QSS, etc.
SpecterVonBaren4 votesEzreal is why we can't have nice things.
RiotMeddler22 votesSyndra's nerf was removed from patch 6.24 because her win rate, ban rate and pick rate all dropped more than we expected. Balance isn't decided by those stats by itself of course, they're a particularly useful guide when it comes to understanding urgency of problems though.
When we pulled the nerf we were originally thinking we'd wait and see whether we should add it to 7.1 (the next patch) instead. Current thinking is that we can instead use that extra time to explore better changes than just a base damage nerf (removes some power, but doesn't by itself address underlying problems enough)
Stephenizgod12 votesThe MYMU created a lot of problems with the Mages in general, Syndra being one of them, so do you guys have any plans to go back and look at what went wrong with some of those updates? I feel like on a lot of the changes made, you guys were sort of at odds with the community where it was almost like our input was being ignored. Well regardless of whether you do a MYMU second update I would definitely like for you guys to take another crack at Malzahar...
Abyssphere5 votesPlease, please look at her W passive. Both Syndra players and those playing against her hate brainless 7 Ball ults, changing anything else would be a travesty.
RiotMeddler6 votesWe're looking at it. Can't make any promises about what we will/won't change though until we've both given her a decent assessment and tested out changes based on that though. Very much a work in progress right now.
Overlord Forte2 votesI've been musing on ways to keep the multi-throw passive mechanic for W, and I keep running into the problems where the gravity of its presence means other parts have to change. Her ultimate, for instance, would have to get slowed down from a 9-12 second charge rate (0% cdr), to something like a 16-20 second. But this has an impact in that it takes her nearly twice as long to have a 'usable ultimate', and most everything in the game will kill her within 5 seconds. So, usability goes way down, and more emphasis is on leaning her regular Q/W/E abilities ... but they're not really made with the mind of keeping her up and going for a nearly 20 second period.
Plus, there's the implication her Q's CD increases, so her overall applicable damage and sphere generation will slow as a result. This means there's more emphasis on the W to grab and position spheres ... and makes her even slower when dealing with the breakneck speed mobility that comes after her, typically. Edit: the flipside to this would be to increase the overall spheres required on the ultimate, which would keep Q static. However, that creates even more visual clutter with all her extra spheres on the field.
I can keep going with theory, but the net result is that it seems to snowball into a bigger problem that wants the rest of her changed to allow it to exist. So, that's what I'm seeing, not sure if you guys are.
Abyssphere3 votesThank you. Anything that gets rid of constant, effortless multiple sphere uptime would make me and every other Syndra main very happy. Please make our champion take skill to play again, both for our sake (I want to do something worth being rewarded for!) and the sake of those playing against Syndra.
Sona x Rubick9 votesCurrent thinking is that we can instead use that extra time to explore better changes than just a base damage nerf
Yes you can, and yes you should remove the W passive, or hell revert the mymu changes because syndra was already doing fine before the design team broke her
Also, keep in mind that now if someone's ban rate/pick rate/win rate drops before a nerf, you will be summoned
ofart7 votesSyndra's nerf was removed from patch 6.24 because her win rate, ban rate and pick rate all dropped more than we expected. Balance isn't decided by those stats by itself of course, they're a particularly useful guide when it comes to understanding urgency of problems though.
When we pulled the nerf we were originally thinking we'd wait and see whether we should add it to 7.1 (the next patch) instead. Current thinking is that we can instead use that extra time to explore better changes than just a base damage nerf (removes some power, but doesn't by itself address underlying problems enough)
But nerf AP Kog in preseason instead even though Rylai's is getting nerfed, Blue is getting nerfed and assassins aren't performing well? It's amazing how careful you guys are about potentially overnerfing Syndra, a champion which has dominated Worlds and snuffed out midlane champion choices for months but in the same breath suggesting nerfs for a champion which has neither her banrate, her dominance, her playrate or her obnoxious no counterplay stun -> 1-shot kit (or just stun and run if in trouble). If anything, Syndra is stronger now than ever before because there is no Strength of the Ages to reduces her burst, Bounty Hunter and Double Edged Sword were both buffed and the Locket Aura was removed. People just don't take preseason seriously enough to play their very best champions.
I want to trust Riot's balance but then you guys make ridiculous decisions like this based on meaningless samples in preseason without even intelligently factoring in context. Winrate should be a minor factor in strength evaluation unless it's for high ELO (Diamond+) and experienced players (50+ games with a champion). You're just going to see Syndra pick/ban in every LCS game again soon and in a month you'll be back to 6.18 status.
It feels like Riot just decides who they want to exist in a good state and who should be at best a barely viable punching bag. It seems like Riot is playing favorites for what styles/champions are allowed to be strong and that champions are not nerfed or buffed on merit. Then we hear talk about wanting strategic diversity and it just seems so empty. That's the definition of defining the meta and I've seen way too many situations with strong champions merely rotated out for a new set rather than objective balance with the goal of just having a fair game for everyone.
Reevaluating Syndra wouldn't seem so hypocritical to me if the same approach was taken with Kog but nope, he's just instantly nerfed based on a better than average preseason performance (not even anything special looking at worldwide stats. and especially considering the indirect nerfs coming in 6.24). What's next, is Ziggs going to get nerfed too because he's performing better than before even if he's still shit in Masters+ when facing actually good mids like Ahri, LB or a skilled Viktor?
It's OK though, Ziggs will continue to be unviable in competitive as long as his laning has no kill pressure and his late game scaling is below that of many other choices with kill pressure in lane, such as Cassiopeia. However, I bet if we had even one patch of Ziggs being a good pick after years of gathering dust, he'd see instant nerfs just because Riot doesn't want his type of strategy to be successful regardless of whether or not there are good answers to it. Can you honestly say that if a champion like Xerath (and he even takes more skill to use properly) had Syndra's absurd dominance at every facet of play we'd still have this discussion?
Malicious Metal17 votesIt's like saying you'd be treated for some broken arm because it's more urgent rather than the festering tumor.
WinTheWarOnPants13 votesSyndra just needs to get her horrendous MYMU rework reverted. Every syndra player was against it and "Overlord Forte" even came out with a huge post explaining why it was so bad, but riot just completely ignored ALL of it.... The rework made her insanely unhealthy with the new W passive and making orb stacking too easy. No idea where you got the comparison tho.... syndra is similar to vayne except that literally everything is different...
Doctor Jarvis11 votesI just love that Riot's balance is, in this singular instance, dependent on what we think instead of "data we have shows...". Like, only Syndra gets that treatment, apparently. You know how many other champions with low ban rates Riot nerfs regularly? Where was the "well players clearly don't think Anivia is OP, otherwise they'd be banning her. Let's not nerf her"?
D357R0Y3R7 votes[{quoted}](name=Doctor Jarvis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0Qr5NaAf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-04T11:43:13.855+0000)
Where was the "well players clearly don't think Anivia is OP, otherwise they'd be banning her. Let's not nerf her"?
they do apply this logic, look at 
they only use this logic when they want to keep a champ unnerfed like lee, but when it's 
having 54% win rate and 0% ban rate, the nerf bat is here
Cowseed10 votesThis post made not a microgram of sense and you somehow got 15 upvotes.
You also said that is a must ban and also may have implied she's game breaking......
Is this a shitpost? I honestly can't tell if it's a shitpost or you're that much of an Einstein. :/
Malicious Metal9 votesRiven maintains a 65% win rate with Courage of the Colossus, definitely worth a ban.
Cowseed3 votesIt's CoC that's the problem, not her. And their are other champs that can abuse it. Example 
and even 
!
Malicious Metal9 votesYou can't ban CoC so you're better off banning Riven. Once the mastery becomes a lot less overpowered people will stop banning her but for the time being this mastery breaks her beyond belief.
Troll for Trump6 votesIn Plat+ ranked, Yas is sitting at 38.02% ban rate, 2nd highest in top, and highest in mid. Darius has the 3rd highest banrate, at 19.35%.
It's only toppled by Rengar, which is treated as a top laner, and is currently at an absurd 78.02% ban rate.
No one likes those champs.
In low elo, you run the risk of getting a horrible and toxic yas (there are a lot of those), or a mastery lvl 7 toxic wind weeb on the opposing team.
In high elo, all the yas's will be toxic, and all be stupidly good. Because it's high elo, and with better players. So if you don't have a yas, ban him(in high elo)