The most rage inducing thing to happen when you're losing badly.

option paralysis·Nov 27, 2017·137 votes·6,756 views

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It's 15 mins in, 4 of us wants to ff and go to another game, but nahhh, that one guy holds you captive in a game which you don't want to fucking play. You don't want to fucking see a 10/0 shaco, riven and ekko go around one shotting your ass with lulu following them, but nahh, lets keep playing. Just to lose 5-10 mins later when you're tilted even more and could be playing another game. Don't tell me that bs about "oh gee guys, lets put our brains together and we can win! gosh darnit!" No, you can't come back from a 24 kills deficit by 18 mins, please. Some games are just over.

202 Comments

LjubezenNov 27, 201748 votes

In before a warden comes in and says "everyone is entitled to vote no, regardless of the score". I'm waiting for it.

DarkRoosterNov 28, 201769 votes

I am always coming on ranked dead ready, i know my champion like my fingers, i know about every build, rune, champion, aspect out there, i know rotations i know where is everyone and could be on map, i know about objective focus and so on, so on, and i am ready to hit back high diamonds this year.

But sometimes in exactly situation like this i press no... why ? Because fuck you guys, thats why, you all sucked, didn't even know 10% of what i just mentioned, hell you probably picked your champion first time ON RANKED, i was doing well and you all just gave up in first 5 minutes of the game, and because you all gave up and started playing even more lazy and bad than before, we are 100% losing with this attitude.

You want to know why i pressed no ? Because all 4 of you fucked my game and you should suffer for it.

Yeah i know i am spiteful, i should be smarter and move to next game, but sometimes i just want to pay back, sometimes getting my little revenge means to me more than time management.

XxDRAGONsAK47xXNov 28, 201716 votes

I do the exact same thing.

All the time

100T HeistNov 28, 20174 votes

Had a game today on TT where the 2 randoms with me fed to the point of no return and tried to surrender. The only way i could feel better was by playing it out and making them suffer through it, for what they did. Apparently they were a duo so they just afk'd and went to smoke, gg lol.

HudnofskiBlehNov 28, 20175 votes

What? Sometimes players are garbage and you just got bad match making. Happens to me sometimes. But you're gonna take it out on the people who were forced to played with you? You even made up an excuse as to why your argument would be sound, they probably just wanted to try a champ first time in ranked, but you don't even know that for sure.

The fact that they even want to surrender is probably because they know that they are garbage compared to the enemy team. But all of a sudden, some prick refuses to surrender because they ruined his game... Are you stupid? They were also in the fucking game. They had to get fucked by the enemy team just as much as you, probably even more than you, having a terrible time (I can tell you that when I feed, I feel like a piece of shit), and now they have to get hassled by some asshole thinks he's the arbiter of ranked, deciding to bring judgement upon the noobs.

You don't think they know they probably ruined the game? You think your personal enjoyment is more valuable than theirs? People who think their own well being matters more than the well being of those around them don't even belong in society, let alone in a team game. You should go play CoD or a fighting game if you want to not have to worry about how you're team is doing, you fucking degenerate.

DarkRoosterNov 28, 20171 votes

I have lost countless games with positive score.

Yes, if you guys went on ranked completely unprepared and ruined my game, i am going to press no just to show you. This is exactly it, you think i press no on normal games or solid loses ? Of course i press yes like every normal human being. Do you think standard lol game ruins it for me ? of course no, we all lose around 50% of our games, its the attitude that hits me, its me gearing up like a Rambo while they just pressed play ranked for lulz. Also they all usually say things like ''first time Kayn'', or ''i am so drunk'', i didn't just made it up, when someone literary doesn't know what his skills really does i assume the worst.

But when some says ''GG WP'' ''OPEN LANE'' ''THIS IS WASTE OF TIME'' at 5th fucking minute, oh hell no dude you are going for a 40 - 50 min game right there.

My stupid mentality is easy to understand: you fuck me, i fuck back. I think everyone agrees that everyone i ranked has to be prepared to win. And i am never attacking someone having bad day, or even flaming, or even speaking that much in games at all. Someone that has a bad day with decent attitude they still always help to carry the game no matter how bad game they just had.

HudnofskiBlehNov 28, 20171 votes

You should of said they WERE trying it first time in ranked, rather than saying they PROBABLY were trying it first time in ranked. The way you said it led me to believe that you were simply making assumptions about who you were playing with rather than considering that they were having a bad day.

Also, the situations you bring up, where your teammates say "GG WP", and "OPEN LANE", don't sound the same as what your first post was saying. The first post made it seem like you think that FFing at 15 when you're losing should be punished by being forced to stay in the game longer.

And that doesn't change the fact that ALL FOUR of your teammates probably weren't ruining your games. You shouldn't punish the other teammates just because 1 or 2 of them happen to be causing you to not have fun.

And you say your mentality is: you fuck me, I fuck back. That's why you're arguing this right? My mentality is: Don't fuck with people who don't deserve it. Even if it's to get at somebody else.

And who cares if you've lost games with a positive score? We all have. Welcome to team games.

DarkRoosterNov 28, 20174 votes

You are quite salty.

I won't just stop doing it from time to time, you know my whole mentality and reasoning, its quite simple. If there is at least 1 more good teammate, we actually have a chance of winning with people with whatever reason they are bad this game, but when they gave up on gave before minute 5, that fucking ruins my chances to win completely, there is difference between them being bad and losing all attitude and stop trying to even play properly.

Also they all came to ranked, there is not a single person there who doesn't deserve it, you think i never in my life had a shamefully bad game and someone else didn't do this to me ? I guess i keep playing, its also their right to vote no, i will try my best while being a completely garbage this game, but its ranked, i have to try no matter what, chilling is for normal games.

Being in losing team is like playing game in hard mode, you can learn so much there actually. Most of the skill comes from playing against good players not against bad team, you don't learn anything new against bad team, but when there is really good team then its really time to shine and practice. I experienced more perks from elo and MMR that is going on rankeds than a lot other people even don't know know that they exist, and great attitude is start of it. From the first game from any year placements to diamond can take as little as 32 games, jumping 2 or more divisions at the time exists, reaching 100 LP and being promoted without promos exists, being constantly matched at completely different tire than you are also exists. Also if you were diamond previous season and you start your placements with outstanding performance with or without loses, you can be matched in master or challenger level game after few games. Also 4v5 games are very easy winable, i won more rankeds like that than i can count, 3v5 is extremely hard but still duable, not with the new system though, if it provides as remake we are all going to take it.

Life is full of possibilities, i ain't really thinking twice about people who screwed me over, i forget them instantly, they don't matter, extra 10 - 30 min doesn't matter to me, i can use that time and situation to get the most out of it, but you really cling to a guy that enjoys pressing no from time to time, the funniest thing is its in my rights. But they don't have in their rights to ''assisting enemy team'' ''negative attitude'' or ''verbal abuse'' respective for what you can get reported and its violating Riot terms. These reports cover what most of them end up doing most of the time.

SoenNov 28, 20174 votes

Attitude certainly plays a big role.

I had a game where I was losing my lane, I was making mistakes, but I knew what I was doing wrong. I felt that if I changed my strat up I could comeback and gain leverage on my opponents. Meanwhile, my jungler, so ever observant, took every chance he got to flame me for whatever mishap I made. I ignored him cause I could tell this guy was just a tilter, as if he had to find any little outlet to shift the blame for his losing game. Ya know, the kind that believe they are above reproach.

Unfortunately, he also did this to my bot lane, who were just having a though time. Sadly, our ADC was getting tilted by our jungler's flaming. Eventually when the option to early surrender came around, the jungler didn't delay to initiate it, and basically everyone else followed suit. Everyone became disillusioned with the game, but even though we were losing, I felt like my team was just not working at 100% because they fell into a negative attitude. So I said no. Also, I was pretty mad with that fucking jungler. All he did was flame, and give everyone a hard time. I felt sorry for bot, but no way this fucker will get out without some sort of pay back.

Anyways, down the road, I decided to roam bot. I didn't do much, but whatever happened, it gave my ADC courage to fight and he performed in a stellar fashion, completely killing everyone in the lane. After that he took tower, and started roaming. Little by little, he started to gain traction and got pretty strong. The jungler, still only able to see down a narrow tunnel, decides to surrender again. This time, I was backed by the ADC, and we denied it. He said in chat "No. I think we can win this." I was pretty glad he said that, it felt like climbed out of his rut and was invigorated to play to the end.

Ultimately, we won! And no thanks to asshole jungler. Well, he got some kills, and probably drew attention away from the enemy. But, seriously, it sucks when people just get tilted and then just completely give up. They use the score as an excuse, and just place no faith into their teammates.

TL;DR -- Attitude has a strong influence on a game's outcome. Also fuck flamers that just bitch the whole game, and then demand others to surrender. When you start flaming, you become part of the reason the team is losing.

RalanrNov 28, 20179 votes

Hey buddy, it sucks but it’s the truth.

ModUlanopoNov 28, 201714 votes

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In before a warden comes in and says "everyone is entitled to vote no, regardless of the score". I'm waiting for it.

You misunderstand. When someone feeds like they're somehow going to end hunger in Africa, I turn into this guy:

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pizzapantsNov 28, 20171 votes

Um so, I just permalinked your comment. What does that do? I'm new to the forums.

Oakleaf RangerNov 28, 20178 votes

it means you have taken a blood oath to that person and must do anything to protect their comment.

feeding timeNov 27, 201736 votes

Vayne But I scale

GelmousNov 28, 201718 votes

i don't like when people feed and then decide they don't want to play anymore after ruining my game, so i keep them in

Sun Wu RyuumokuNov 28, 20179 votes

i don't like when people feed and then decide to take me as hostage after ruining my game.

S H A Y C 0Nov 28, 20173 votes

I dont like it when people feed and post about how people feed and take them hostage on the forums [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Sun Wu RyuumokuNov 28, 20172 votes

I don't like people [darius-angry]

S H A Y C 0Nov 28, 20172 votes

Sounds legit

TTK DreadnoughtNov 27, 201716 votes

I had a similar game 7days ago.

It was 2 to 16 (enemy) by six minutes.

And 17 to 39 before my quadrakill at the 15min mark (making it 21 to 39)

I'll be honest and say i was voting no at the 15minute mark.

The game ended at 23mins with my team winning 39 to 46 (i was 16/2 urgot)

nice tableNov 27, 201719 votes

must have been a low elo game

AzadetheNov 28, 20174 votes

Comebacks happen at High Elo too. Look up QTPie's 60 minute comeback after his base was Annihilated.

Meep ManNov 27, 201715 votes

In every other MOBA, there is no surrender button. You just tank it out and try to make a come back. I think the knowledge that you can just surrender actually makes some people play worse.

NyarlathοtepNov 28, 2017

In dota you are free to leave ( as far as i know ). Hots are fast games and as such they end fast. On the other hand lol can take some time to end. Also there will be games where you wont win, not matter what. For various reasons. More of then than not, its far better to surr and move on on the next game.

kargishNov 28, 20177 votes

But you see this is why it's a vote, if you as a team agrees there's no way of coming back then you can surrender. The early surrender at 15 is still too early to fully decide if it's too late or not, so that's why you need all of your team to agree. Past 20 min 1 guy doesn't hold that power anymore. Imagine how frustrating it would be if a random bunch of 3 people decided it was over, even though 40% of your team is doing well and could potentially carry the game, they have to tank the loss because of 3 guys that was too lazy to try.

Inb4 "ugh there's no late game anymore, Riot ruined it all and games end once someone is 2/0/0"

BobaFlautistNov 28, 201714 votes

The problem with allowing non-unanimous votes is that people are fucking idiots that tilt off the face of the earth for no goddamn reason. If top is losing to pantheon and tilted, bot got ganked by Lee and double killed and is tilted, and mid is getting their shit kicked in by mid Lucian, guess what? That's four votes. Guess what else? I don't give a fuck, you don't get to give up in my promos because losing lane makes you sad and you don't know how to play league if you aren't the hero.

Besides, if four people genuinely want to leave, it can't be delayed more than 5 minutes - if the game is still that terrible, you can outvote me and surrender at 20.

Dasdi96Nov 27, 201711 votes

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2657012564/211103400?tab=overview This game we came back from 22 kills down, 15k gold down, and 9 towers down. Your game was still winnable.

MetalGearTeemoNov 27, 20175 votes

"Believe in throws, they believe in you team. After all, how did we get into this position in the first place?"

the problem is that riot validated all the people who give up after first blood in bot by adding the 15 minute surrender. Now we just have people afking at 10 until 15 , then 15 until 20.

Due to the game's ranked grind mechanics this is actually encouraged too. Another case of questionable riot design philosophy.

DorkunedAurasNov 27, 20175 votes

From what I've heard, the rate of surrendering hasn't actually increased after the S@15 was added, which means that the games that are surrendered at 15 were most likely going to be surrendered at 20 anyway.

fasegaNov 28, 20175 votes

I think that has more to do with the fact that you cant surrender at 15 mins with 4 votes. If you only needed 4 I think the rate of Surrender would go up.

thecowleyNov 27, 201710 votes

I think its a symptom of runes. there arent enough defensive options,and with so many of them stacking on takedowns, snowballs happen with fewer items.

Sraeg2013Nov 27, 201710 votes

If they end in 5 minutes, you should consider yourself lucky.

My games usually take 15 more minutes and there's still one or two assholes who aren't going to surrender, even when the enemy team is hitting the Nexus with everybody on my team dead.

IchibiriNov 27, 20177 votes

Been saying this for ages now, the people on here never listen, and neither does Riot. You just can't talk sense to people, that's why there is war in the world all the time.

Then these people claim you can win and quote that one time they won ONE game in which they got LUCKY and won against all odds...Yet you can't do that EVERY GAME and they never address this fact. It's just basic statistics. They never learn.

just straight up alt+f4. Don't bother saying a word, otherwise u will get banned. Just leave.

VelgamNov 28, 20175 votes

Leaver Buster has become more active of late, wont suggest alt f4ing.

LegitBusinessmanNov 28, 20175 votes

{quoted}

Been saying this for ages now, the people on here never listen, and neither does Riot. You just can't talk sense to people, that's why there is war in the world all the time.

Then these people claim you can win and quote that one time they won ONE game in which they got LUCKY and won against all odds...Yet you can't do that EVERY GAME and they never address this fact. It's just basic statistics. They never learn.

just straight up alt+f4. Don't bother saying a word, otherwise u will get banned. Just leave.

Yes I'd like to drag out 10 games for a cumulative total of a few hours in order to win that one game where we came together as a team and did our best and... oh wait no that never happens. The enemy team just started doing a bunch of really stupid and cocky crap and we got one ace for the win.

NiyumiNov 28, 20177 votes

I've won many games that looked like that in the beginning. Because I know how to lose lane without feeding or really even dying, and I know how to play around fed people. I also know how to get my team back up to speed and win.

Maybe you should just play better. ^^

TeCoolMageNov 28, 20174 votes

This, pretty much.

As long as their maximum stats (full build with potion, baron and elder) aren't waaay above yours to the point perfect play doesn't win a teamfight, you can still win.

If they're a good team, they'll end. No need for surrender.

If they're a bad team, capitalize on that, or take the loss you deserve for not doing so.

In LoL the tools for ending the game (ace, baron, elder, split pushing) are so numerous that the ahead team can take a win easily. If they take too long they're doing something wrong, if they're doing something wrong you can win.

Imperial JapanNov 28, 20177 votes

Just stopped a pre 20 surrender and single handedlyvmanaged to turn it around winning the game being 7 turrets down and 2 inhibs yesterday. Felt good winning that game

revliledpembrokeNov 28, 20176 votes

I had a game where, by 20 minutes, the enemy team was 20-1, and we still won that game, somehow.

I think we had a better teamfight, while they had better individual picks. So, no, it's not always over when the enemy has a huge lead. Just most of the time

Report for WujuNov 28, 20176 votes

I'm that guy.

The Space CowboyNov 28, 20176 votes

Although it’s harder to stall a game this season I still do it all the time at my low elo. Comebacks are my favorite games and the guy who won’t surrender on your team is playing for the challenge of competitive gaming.

TheBearJew09Nov 28, 20175 votes

I like that no one has mentioned the 'hot/cold' streaks that seem to happen in LOL match making. If you're in a losing streak because he need to hit that 50% win rate, and your team starts to feed, you bet that I want out of that game at 15.

*also I will never ff a ranked match. In ranked I can understand fighting to the bitter end, but for norms? I really don't understand the reasoning to continue playing after such a deficit.

Yordle XayahNov 28, 20175 votes

Please tell me that it was AT LEAST Ranked with LP on the line...

Boop Daddy Nov 29, 20175 votes

Gonna be honest here. Sometimes I just want people to suffer in the mess they've made.

nGioNov 28, 20174 votes

I used to be that guy. I was the "never give up! never surrender!" guy. I've been playing since release, and this last year of League has broken me. Half the games are decided at champ select(combination of picks, ragers, premades with obscene clan tags that you know will self sabotage, etc), and the other half you know who's gonna win about 5 minutes in.

I went from never surrendering and defending with "you're so negative, anything is possible" to "fuck it, let me surrender in champ select if shit goes sideways there".

Athenes LuluNov 28, 20174 votes

If it's in things like gold and below, you'd be surprised on how people can throw games, no matter how big of a lead they may have. Some people believe in that.

Not saying everyone who votes "no" has that mentality, but it's just a possible explanation.

DariusDemiurgeNov 27, 20173 votes

Wait what?? I understand 3-2 but why didn't the 4-1 vote pass the surrender?!?

Nevermind saw the post just above mine that explains it is a timed thing.

Sraeg2013Nov 27, 20175 votes

The 15 minute surrender requires everybody to agree.

Bob the ToastrNov 27, 20173 votes

Then don't feed them. Also, if you can't handle losing they don't play.

VelgamNov 28, 20178 votes

I hate when people say this nonsense, it's not that we can't handle losses, it's that we have no issue losing, we know the game is most likely unwinnable so let's end and move on, you cannot win every game and people like us have realised that.