Can we get some sort of mana refund from smiting camps?

SwiftKitten88··4 votes·427 views

for many champs having a heal on every smite on a jungle mobs is amazing.. and it even makes life a lot easier for ap junglers on your first clear.

But after that.. life just gown downhill for the vast majority of AP junglers. It takes a while before u can completeitem 1410 for getting mana back. and even when its done. i feel like i can NEVER afford to give my blue to my mid laner. plus we lost the AP on blue buff so that hurts ap junglers even more.

the thing is, it's REALLY close to being in a decent spot, even a 5% mana back on smite might be enough.

i knew before hand this was going to be an issue, and i did make posts about this before the new jungle went live.

It did turn out to be a smaller issue than i originally predicted , but it IS still there, and its still noticeable.

there is literally ZERO way i can give any of my blue buffs to mid lane before i finish item 1410. if you do u just wont have enough mana to gank. and u CAN'T just NOT spend mana in the jungle when trying to keep pace with an AD jungler or a manaless jungler, and still be able clear with enough speed to be relevant

it might be ok for AD jungler who use mana, i dont know... but for AP junglers its isn't in a good spot

i would literally rather have every smite give me 10% mana than 10% hp; because practically every AP jungler that uses mana HAS A SELF HEAL Nidalee Nunu Fiddlesticks and the ones who dont like Diana have a shield that absorbs all the damage anyways.

its like.. ever time i want to gank.. i have full hp... but no mana, so i cant gank... its getting really freaking annoying

and it not like i am TRYING to overheal or keep myself at full hp... it just our kits are designed to use mana to heal, and most of those spells also deal damage.. and we use them to clear with.

idk if this can be a mastery, or if it can be tied to item 1039 , but AP jungler just have too much health sustain and not enough mana sustain... which is stupid.. because we can trade mana for hp.. but not hp for mana...

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SwiftKitten881 votes

well, i got an upvote.. so at least 1 person has tried to play an AP jungler besides me.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

item 1039 increases your mana regen just for being in jungle , all you have to do is be in the jungle and your regen is increased. and just like mages in lane or any other champ with mana you need to learn to manage your resources.

SwiftKitten881 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0MamRkzt,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-04T01:02:04.867+0000)

item 1039 increases your mana regen just for being in jungle , all you have to do is be in the jungle and your regen is increased. and just like mages in lane or any other champ with mana you need to learn to manage your resources.

... i already covered that

{quoted} there is literally ZERO way i can give any of my blue buffs to mid lane before i finish item 1410. if you do u just wont have enough mana to gank. and u CAN'T just NOT spend mana in the jungle when trying to keep pace with an AD jungler or a manaless jungler, and still be able clear with enough speed to be relevant

junglers that use mana do so much more damage with auto attacks, that they are probably fine. this change only hurts AP jungle champs who USE mana to clear with and dont clear with auto.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

take mediation in masteries to help increase your mana regen

you can take item 2031 into item 2032 which refreshes a charge when you take down a large camp

and i do jungle ap type of champs

like Amumu Malphite Maokai Nunu and my mana is normally fine... but i run attack speed marks to help with clears to have auto attack

and on of my core items include item 1027 so all that combined there is no mana issues

and for you who likes nid dont you get a item 3057 on her anyways

SwiftKitten881 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0MamRkzt,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-01-04T01:18:11.177+0000)

take mediation in masteries to help increase your mana regen

you can take item 2031 into item 2032 which refreshes a charge when you take down a large camp

and i do jungle ap type of champs

like Amumu Malphite Maokai Nunu and my mana is normally fine... but i run attack speed marks to help with clears to have auto attack

and on of my core items include item 1027 so all that combined there is no mana issues

and for you who likes nid dont you get a item 3057 on her anyways

item 2032 only gives 35 mana per camp... that donest even cover half of 1 spell, i mean, yes it does help, and i DO get it now, but that just puts item 1410 250 gold further behind, or it means..

and you dont want to always get item 3100 early. i do prefer to get it early because of the cdr and the huge damage spike and the movement speed) ,but sometimes i need to build sometimes like item 3001 or item 3157 first, if a specific opponent get a little too fed for me to risk completing item 3100.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

lol you dont have to finish a complete item... you can get just the sheen

and finish other parts of build.

you arent forced to rush a completed jungler item

there are lots of ways to play it

and you are gonna buy pots regardles so getting item 2031 with item 1039 to start gives you refillable pots so you save gold. and when you upgrade into item 2032 you will use it. its not wasted gold. and you can keep it til you complete your build

Twitch Chat1 votes

i agree buff hecarim xd

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