Gunblade nerf is the final nail in Jax's coffin

FalconPawwwwnch·Jan 24, 2017·12 votes·1,603 views

Just change his sprite to a melee minion to clarify how useful he is

41 Comments

dominusxJan 24, 20178 votes

he needs +3 ad

hunterspecJan 24, 20171 votes

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he needs +3 ad

lolololololololo

h5LYF41LamJan 24, 20178 votes

Riot:lets create an item for just 2 champions Kayle (old) KogMaw Meddler:i gotchu fam item 3124 Community:can you change the item to actualy fit the needs of autoattack based champions Irelia Jax MasterYi Shyvana Teemo ? Riot:na fam kayle is life

UltîmaJan 24, 20172 votes

There's literally no way to create an on-hit item that isn't absolutely broken on Kayle and Kog'maw. We've seen what happens when an on-hit item is actually strong with Devourer.

h5LYF41LamJan 24, 20171 votes

what about...........................................diferent interactions on melee and ranged champions? there are not many autoattackbased champions with on hit effects that scale off ad and ap.riot should have figured out that rageblade would be a failure from the start.In what universe does a jax autoattack an enemy 8 times? he doesnt.its only usefull when he is in lane,therefore a bad item.

UltîmaJan 24, 20171 votes

This has been suggested many times, and the reason why Riot hasn't done it is because then Kayle Teemo Kindred wouldn't have access to satisfying on-hit options. I mean, I get where you're coming from; Hurricane and Hydra both use a range/melee exclusive system, so why haven't they dealt with the on-hit dilemma? My reasoning is that they want to rework Teemo and Kayle in the future to solve their interraction problems with those items and make them more bearable overall. I'd expect this to be visited circa 2018.

h5LYF41LamJan 24, 20172 votes

what youre saying is completely irelevant,the reason rageblade should have diferent interactions on ranged and melee champions is because ranged champions dont build hp they go full offensive and build attackspeed ad and ap.therefore they stack it faster.melee champions go tanky they build hp they cant afford 2.5 attackspeed.Riot said they would adress the rework of rageblade in preseason 7 but they lied.

Dominick DestineJan 24, 20171 votes

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Riot:lets create an item for just 2 champions (old) Meddler:i gotchu fam Community:can you change the item to actualy fit the needs of autoattack based champions ? Riot:na fam kayle is life

But SHIN ZAO also uses it....

[The actual pronunciation is closer to "Chin Jow"]

PeanutButterFanJan 24, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0MQQAs2y,comment-id=00070001,timestamp=2017-01-24T21:45:08.264+0000)

But SHIN ZAO also uses it....

[The actual pronunciation is closer to "Chin Jow"]

No Draconian for a while... Where is the real Dominick Destine?

Dominick DestineJan 24, 20171 votes

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No Draconian for a while... Where is the real Dominick Destine?

That only works when Tyrek Goldenspear does it.

If someone else does it, it just seems forced. [A-HA, you see, I remembered your name, for once]

PeanutButterFanJan 24, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0MQQAs2y,comment-id=0007000100000000,timestamp=2017-01-24T21:49:02.790+0000)

That only works when Tyrek Goldenspear does it.

If someone else does it, it just seems forced. [A-HA, you see, I remembered your name, for once]

#@IUYOFG@&*N$IUKDTUQYDFWH&IUYAFGWHFN@E(D&NEQD SOMEONE REMEMBERED ME

NOW THT IM DONE GETTING OVER THAT

ok fine it may or may not have been forced.

Dominick DestineJan 24, 20171 votes

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#@IUYOFG@&*N$IUKDTUQYDFWH&IUYAFGWHFN@E(D&NEQD SOMEONE REMEMBERED ME

You are not him.

PeanutButterFanJan 27, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0MQQAs2y,comment-id=000700010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-24T22:02:56.861+0000)

You are not him.

I know. In the wording, I thought someone remembered me, but I was wrong apparently... :(

NGNL AsianJan 25, 20171 votes

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Riot:lets create an item for just 2 champions (old) Meddler:i gotchu fam Community:can you change the item to actualy fit the needs of autoattack based champions ? Riot:na fam kayle is life

Trist??? udyr???

AhristocatsJan 24, 20175 votes

but we can't buff jax because else he scales negatiely in low elo xd

Ad Vitam AeternaJan 24, 20175 votes

Yet I got back to Plat this season spamming him with BOTR mostly. 94 Jax games with a 60 percent win rate, which was much higher when I initially hit plat.

Other higher elo jax streamers are building him without gunblade and doing just fine.

PPPPPPPPPPPP270Jan 24, 20175 votes

Gunblade deserved that nerf. Its base damage was too high.

God RaijinJan 24, 20171 votes

item 3146 it's self does deserve the nerf. The fact that you would need 1000AP on the previous version of gunblade to deal the same ammount of damage that it does now on it's active definitely makes it a bit too good,** however** Jax hasn't really been in a good state since the fervor changes. He had the old Rageblade reworked (the one with the AEO splash damage) Fervor got nerfed for non-crit builders and now even gunblade is getting nerfed

Dominick DestineJan 24, 20171 votes

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Gunblade deserved that nerf. Its base damage was too high.

It has been the same for ages.

It makes sense for it to be high since it's single target as opposed to AoE like item 3030 item 3152

warpenguin555Jan 24, 20172 votes

hmm. well he does kinda look like one...

hunterspecJan 24, 20172 votes

just bring back old release jax w/ dodge

GULAG 4 UJan 24, 20172 votes

If only rageblade was an actual fucking onhit item instead of a useless piece of hybrid shit item

OleandervineJan 24, 20171 votes

He pretty much is anyway. He's in need of a massive overhaul.

MLDzXnRRRJan 24, 20171 votes

bork is great atm.

FalconPawwwwnchJan 24, 20177 votes

Bork falls off hard since he doesn't build pen

New thornmail means trinity bork jax loses to a maokai with sunfire/tabi/thornmail

MunchCrunchLunchJan 25, 20171 votes

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Bork falls off hard since he doesn't build pen

New thornmail means trinity bork jax loses to a maokai with sunfire/tabi/thornmail

pretty much this. thornmail is bad against a big critting ad that doesnt auto as much. but against 2.5 as jax that does little damage with every auto. Jax cannot splitpush against a tank that sits under tower. and to be honest he will lose duels sometimes against those tanks .

not only that hes a champion that can only win lane against 2-3 champions. I think those are Kled Ekko and sometimes Tryndamere he literally cant stop feeding everyone else.

honestly hes the easiest champion to deal with. all you need is a single stun. just 1. and hes uselss.

Big LincolnJan 24, 20171 votes

Bye bye jak

Dominick DestineJan 24, 20171 votes

I kind of agree.

Why are they nerfing Gunblade? it's not overpowered or a core item in any OP champ's kit, this came out of nowhere.

TequilaZombieJan 24, 20171 votes

Katarina was a little overbearing with it. At least that's what people were saying.

Dominick DestineJan 24, 20171 votes

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was a little overbearing with it. At least that's what people were saying.

https://champion.gg/champion/Katarina 49% win rate with 8.5% play rate. I can see your point that some people might find her burst a bit annoying but I see that as more of a Kat thing than a Gunblade thing.

Oh well, I don't mind being forced to adapt I just wish Riot would make more sense with their balancing.

TequilaZombieJan 24, 20171 votes

Oh well, I don't mind being forced to adapt I just wish Riot would make more sense with their balancing.

I don't even try to understand it anymore. Assassin's Update was just "Hey, we want to make Assassins need a longer time to kill people" and then Shaco Rengar

Dominick DestineJan 24, 20171 votes

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I don't even try to understand it anymore. Assassin's Update was just "Hey, we want to make Assassins need a longer time to kill people" and then

To be fair, Shaco was nerfed soon after.

Not sure what's taking so for Rengar to be adjusted though.....

TequilaZombieJan 24, 20171 votes

AP Shaco is still inherently faster with his burst than his older AD version, tho.

Dominick DestineJan 24, 20171 votes

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AP Shaco is still inherently faster with his burst than his older AD version, tho.

I'm not seeing that after the nerfs, but sure, maybe if someone parses it he might be slightly faster.

But you're comparing AD Shaco to AP Shaco after a rework, how about comparing AP Shaco to AP Shaco ? I find him more manageable now but again, maybe you're right.

TequilaZombieJan 24, 20171 votes

Well, I was comparing the most effective one-shotting builds from before and after the rework.

Pre-6.22 AP Shaco to Post-6.22 AP Shaco is a whole other deal. I honestly like that he can't stack boxes anymore. And he feels slightly less obnoxious when he's not using his 1k damage shivs. On the other hand, he's bursting MUCH faster. Previously, to kill an ADC or squishy mage, he'd have to E from max range, Q away for another angle, wait for E CD, and E again. Now he just has to build item 3100 item 1414 item 3146 and QE you for an instant absurd amount of damage.

It's kinda ridiculous when the goal was to INCREASE the time it took to kill someone and allow Assassins to do other stuff other than 100-0 squishies. Specially because AP Shaco does it faster now compared to AD Shaco beofre the rework (QE-Gunblade-Ludden's Proc-Lich Bane's Proc-Thunderlords (All instant) -VS- Q-Auto Attack-E-Thunderlords) and AP Shaco does nothing other than one shot, whereas old AD Shaco was a master at split pushing and securing objectives like Dragon and Baron.

Meh, maybe I'm still salty about the changes, but they still seem overall pointless to me.

Dominick DestineJan 24, 20171 votes

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Well, I was comparing the most effective one-shotting builds from before and after the rework.

I would rather compare direct build to direct build but I see where you're coming from.

BlåbæretJan 24, 20171 votes

Jax is fine lmao. One of the dumbest champs in the game. Nothing can duel him once he gets triforce.

TrestaniJan 25, 20171 votes

They need to revert the HP per level nerfs, and maybe up his attack range a little

shicky97Jan 25, 20171 votes

As an avid Jax player I have never really used gunblade on him anyway. I usually go for a beefier build on him than most. An example of a normal build for me looks something like this item 3111 item 3078 item 3053 item 3748 item 3742 and either item 3065 or item 3083 . You usually end up with more than 4k HP and 200 or so AD. You're tanky enough with the HP and your ult that you arent gonna be getting blown up, but the auto attack reset from titanic plus the sheer synergy jax has with Trinity force lets him still deal good damage to enemy carries.

I'm saying this because when I see the Jax players right now going for Trinity/Botrk/Gunblade I cringe a little because I know they're just gonna die to a gentle breeze.

Join me in glory and become an AD Tank Jax.

FalconPawwwwnchJan 26, 20171 votes

That build will do negative damage to tanks past 30 mins