I don't understand why Lux is getting buffed at all.

Bouncemaster Zac·Apr 5, 2017·25 votes·2,979 views

Especially like this. She's literally impossible to fight or even slightly interact with for more than half the roster because she has Xerath levels of range with higher burst, more cc, and shorter cast times. Her E is completely unavoidable for lane opponents without a mobility spell. And now they've decided her ult being on a 30s cd is too long and needs to be lowered to URF levels. Why? Lux should be getting nerfs to her early laning, not buffs to her mid-late.

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Maximum MordeApr 5, 201718 votes

Elementalist Lux didn't sell as well as they hoped. Time to buff for more skin sales.

Challenger AhriApr 5, 20172 votes

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Elementalist Lux didn't sell as well as they hoped. Time to buff for more skin sales.

Yeah that's not true, every single Lux I see has it.

Maximum MordeApr 5, 20171 votes

Exactly. That's why they need to buff Lux and get more playing her to sell more skins.

LadyRenlyApr 5, 20172 votes

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Elementalist Lux didn't sell as well as they hoped. Time to buff for more skin sales.

surprising, cuz her skin is fucking bullshit to keep track of her abilities

Sexy Jack RabbitApr 5, 20179 votes

A) She struggles in high elo. I don't understand why that exactly means she needs buffs? But whatever.

B) It was Rickless who balanced her. The boy fucking sucks at balancing. Always has, always will.

AnhartaminApr 5, 20172 votes

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It Hertz When IPApr 5, 20171 votes

GayFluffyUnicornApr 5, 20172 votes

Many champs struggle in high elo who as riot mentioned would need to be buffed into borderline broken because of their kits, like garen. Hi lux.

chipndip1Apr 6, 20172 votes

She does need buffs if she struggles in high elo, though.

Sexy Jack RabbitApr 6, 20172 votes

Not necessarily. Kayle struggles in higher elo, always has, doesn't necessarily mean she needs buffs. Same with Sona, Soraka and Fiddles. I don't see why champions can't perform differently in certain Elo's. Unless they make Lux's passive give sight again or something, she's never going to be a top pick in high Elo regardless of how much damage she does.

chipndip1Apr 6, 20171 votes

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Not necessarily. Kayle struggles in higher elo, always has, doesn't necessarily mean she needs buffs. Same with Sona, Soraka and Fiddles. I don't see why champions can't perform differently in certain Elo's.

Because that's forfeiting the fact that certain champions are objectively bad, and low elo players are objectively bad players, and you deserve to be rank shamed if it's applicable because your rank shows that the reason you're in low elo is because you can't get past the cheesier, worse champs of the game. It also states that people have no interest in actually balancing the game and allowing different characters to be strong, appreciable champs.

DivewingApr 5, 20177 votes

Probably cos shes in the top 5 lowest win rate mids for plat+?

I personally think this won't solve the issue without breaking her in low elo, but whatever, just saying that's probably why.

Bouncemaster ZacApr 5, 20172 votes

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Probably cos shes in the top 5 lowest win rate mids for plat+?

I personally think this won't solve the issue without breaking her in low elo, but whatever, just saying that's probably why.

Riot themselves have said they don't consider winrate alone to be enough to determine balance; instead they look at how the Champion interacts with the other Champions present in-game. Good recent example: Vladimir . Sitting at a whopping 30% winrate and Riot nerf him because the sheer value the damage amp on his ult gives to a coordinated team is just beyond too good. Lux may not have a phenomenal winrate, but she's impossible to interact with and beyond frustrating to play against. She's been one of the most complained-about Champions of all time because of it.

OelykApr 5, 20173 votes

Vlad was at 30% win rate?! Damn!

WitchQueen AnnieApr 5, 20174 votes

HOPE YOU LIKE RAINBOWS!

Lux

If you stay positive... YOU CAN BE THE LIGHT !

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No but seriously, she doesn't deserve it. I mean, I don't really care about high elo but down here... late game (Ult Ult)... DOUBLE KILL...

yeah no thank you

VierApr 5, 20174 votes

She does need buffs, but these will be useless and sound good on paper but are not as amazing as you think they are. Lux averages 6-7 kills according to champion.gg. Now ask yourself, out of these 6-7 kills how many are with her ultimate and not her other abilities? Lets be generous and say 4. Out of these 4 how many are lvls 11 - 18 (where the buff is actually noticeable)? Probably 2 or 3. I actually expect her winrate to drop due to people like you playing her cause "haha lux op xd"

Lux's early laning is trash. Stay away from minions and let her decide whether to use her mana hungry 10 second E on the wave or yourself. In other words, just cause you can't play against a champion don't create a thread.

Btw her ultimate at lvl 16 is 50 seconds. Stop saying it is "30 seconds" so either Lux now starts the game with 40% cdr and lvl 3 ultimate or you're exaggerating. The majority of Lux games only have 20% cdr and how many go until lvl 16? I don't go around saying "Zac has a 60 second cooldown!!"

AfterTheFallApr 5, 20173 votes

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She does need buffs, but these will be useless and sound good on paper but are not as amazing as you think they are. Lux averages 6-7 kills according to champion.gg. Now ask yourself, out of these 6-7 kills how many are with her ultimate and not her other abilities? Lets be generous and say 4. Out of these 4 how many are lvls 11 - 18 (where the buff is actually noticeable)? Probably 2 or 3. I actually expect her winrate to drop due to people like you playing her cause "haha lux op xd"

Lux's early laning is trash. Stay away from minions and let her decide whether to use her mana hungry 10 second E on the wave or yourself. In other words, just cause you can't play against a champion don't create a thread.

Btw her ultimate at lvl 16 is 50 seconds. Stop saying it is "30 seconds" so either Lux now starts the game with 40% cdr and lvl 3 ultimate or you're exaggerating. The majority of Lux games only have 20% cdr and how many go until lvl 16? I don't go around saying "Zac has a 60 second cooldown!!"

It is 30 seconds, 32 to be exact if i remember correctly. Hes obviously factoring in 40% cdr. Bc at this point in league, 40% cdr is standard on almost every champion in every game. Lux's ult @ rank 3 will be on like a 17sec cooldown. For the amount of damage it does, its just ridiculous for it to be on that low of a cooldown. Maybe they should make it not pop her mark, thats an option to look at if this change becomes problematic.

yoshi2790Apr 7, 20172 votes

You don't always get 45% cdr with Lux. Mostly 35%.

the cooldown of Lux her ult is:

80 / 65 / 50

I don't get why everyone says it's a super low cooldown because 80 is not low. 50 is low, but in late game you can get killed very easily since you are immobile and your ultimate is a Channel

MarshbouyApr 5, 20173 votes

(remember guys mages are weak and being targeted by nerfs)

z63XnLCMwXApr 5, 20173 votes

Lux is strong? Better nerf shaco.

Bouncemaster ZacApr 5, 20172 votes

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Lux is strong? Better nerf shaco.

Shaco is pretty strong too.

yoshi2790Apr 7, 20171 votes

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Lux is strong? Better nerf shaco.

Have you ever played against Tank Shaco?

It's horrible, You get oneshot and he's tanky. It's as bad as Tank Akali Fizz Yasuo

z63XnLCMwXApr 14, 20171 votes

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Have you ever played against Tank Shaco?

It's horrible, You get oneshot and he's tanky. It's as bad as Tank

Never played against tankco but I always play him as a tank [slayer-jinx-catface]

OelykApr 5, 20173 votes

I read in the patch notes that after using combo she lacked the power to close out a game.

Thats what they said, so if you can read then you know why she was buffed. You don't have to agree with it, but that was Riots reasoning.

Sorry for being a buzzkill.

DivewingApr 5, 20171 votes

Thing with Patch Notes is some of it is all horseshit democracy.

I view them as an entertaining read, but I take the reasoning with a grain of salt since Riot has clear favourites, but that's never addressed in the notes.

TL;DR - some of the notes are written in such a way that they don't try to tell the full truth, so it's hard to know which to trust.

OelykApr 5, 20171 votes

Well if that's what Riot said there reasoning behind it was, I'll just accept it until someone proves them wrong.

KumatoraApr 5, 20173 votes

Riot claims she has "high cooldowns." Apparently a 27.5 sec cooldown with max cdr at rank 3 is a "high cooldown." Rito pls.[zombie-brand-mindblown]

LimrickApr 5, 20173 votes

Look at the cooldown of her basic abilities.

ExcusemeFellowsApr 5, 20172 votes

Why not just buff that instead?

LauchmelderApr 5, 20171 votes

We can't be bothered to think that complicated, now can we?

LimrickApr 5, 20173 votes

Ask Riot, not me.

FeanixApr 6, 20173 votes

Lux most definitely needs a buff, but this was in the opposite direction.

Maybe add a passive to her ultimate that gives cooldown reduction on her basic abilities and not her ultimate.

The reason people seem to think she is overpowered in lower tiers is because some people walk in a straight line and get caught.

She's easily countered by BV, edge of night (forget item name), maw, zhonyas, quicksilver.

Those will ether negate all damage, Let you survive the burst via shield, or let you get out of the the snare, and her ultimate is dodged easier then her snare.

VivaLaKittenApr 7, 20171 votes

you shouldn't act like its the easiest thing to dodge it's got quite a very large radius and unless you start moving IMMEDIATELY after it starts you're pretty much hit (not every mage has Zhonyas)

PermabannedGarenApr 7, 20173 votes

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Especially like this. She's literally impossible to fight or even slightly interact with for more than half the roster because she has Xerath levels of range with higher burst, more cc, and shorter cast times. Her E is completely unavoidable for lane opponents without a mobility spell. And now they've decided her ult being on a 30s cd is too long and needs to be lowered to URF levels. Why? Lux should be getting nerfs to her early laning, not buffs to her mid-late.

Because despite your preconceptions about the game, she is actually in a pretty weak spot. She's even failing to find success in plat to low diamond, where she usually excels, and is a bad joke in actual high elo.

Hardly the champion in most dire need of a buff, but I won't fault Riot for buffing an objectively weak champion friend.

Side note: Xerath is much stronger right now and if you disagree you're wrong.

Zone of EndlessApr 5, 20172 votes

It's one of Riot's move of buffing unnecessarily and then people find out the champ is actually strong and then later gut them.

Bouncemaster ZacApr 5, 20172 votes

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It's one of Riot's move of buffing unnecessarily and then people find out the champ is actually strong and then later gut them.

Since she's 100% definitely going to explode in popularity after this, I can only hope her winrate spikes hard enough for Riot to drop the nerfhammer on her.

NuparuApr 5, 20176 votes

But she's not even that good?

LegendmakerGXApr 5, 20172 votes

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But she's not even that good?

Not good? Explain to me how she is not good, if you look at every single lux main from low silver to diamond you can see she has a crazy chance of always being a 5.0 kill over death ratio and this is even if she loses.

LimrickApr 5, 20178 votes

If she has a 5.0 kda and still loses that means the champ is garbage at anything but getting kills. Which is pretty much Lux.

LegendmakerGXApr 5, 20172 votes

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If she has a 5.0 kda and still loses that means the champ is garbage at anything but getting kills. Which is pretty much Lux.

And please tell me what do you think this buff does for her? Other then getting kills. Also no she can get kills and still lose because team can always suck, one person fed cannot carry 4 others if they do nothing.

LimrickApr 6, 20172 votes

I don't like this buff, I was vocal about that when it was on PBE, but saying that Lux is insanely OP and needs nerfs is just ridiculous. She has struggled all season long and the AD dominated meta doesn't help.

NuparuApr 5, 20172 votes

Because Lux plays from range which means she's safe (harder to kill = higher KDA) but also less reliable (her Q has a slow speed and her ult has a huge delay, so dodging her Q pretty much nukes her damage output.) She also has no reliable non-ult wave clear when behind or even (her E never oneshots caster minions unless she's ahead (with a Luden's Echo proc). She has to ult the wave, which, again, kills her damage output in fights) which makes her a detriment versus having most other mages mid lane.

She also has fairly high mana costs (it's like 130-140 per E, which is higher than most ults), which makes it hard to sustain a siege without blue buff especially if she's not strong enough to poke people out with one E.

Lady HammerlockApr 5, 20172 votes

She needs buffs

only to her W missile speed... literally.... she deserves nothing else but that

just OK junglerApr 5, 20172 votes

Her early game is awful, she is completely useless, she got buffed because she is terrible choice compared to other mid laners than can do the same thing Ahri Leblanc AurelionSol Orianna Syndra Katarina Annie Right now theres no reason to pick Lux over Ori

JoeMGApr 5, 20171 votes

I see Lux more as a support than a mid and she's already a pretty obnoxious support. Like you said there's so many better mids out there so I don't understand why they would break support Lux just to give her a slightly better chance in mid.

Elkington VIApr 5, 20172 votes

Apparently she sucks in high elo, but down in the lower levels we all know she's doing fine. She's just going to become hell to play against for anyone that's not godly at this game, but especially for people that main immobile champions.

If Lux of all people gets a CDR buff on her ult then can the CD nerf be reverted on Trundle's ult please?

FiddlesOnTheRoofApr 5, 20172 votes

She seems worthy of a small scale rework to me. Her play patern isn't healthy in my opinion. Similar to Blitz, she's afforded the luxury of failing time and time and time again, and the first time she lands a q, her opponent is dead. Couple that with the fact that after she presses 4 buttons, her contribution to team fights is over. She just doesn't seem to be in a healthy place to me. This buff doesn't address her issues. It's directed in the wrong place. I know she's a pick comp champ, and, to a lesser degree, an objective zone controller. She just doesn't seem to anything particularly well other than punish a team with poor vision with a q.

JoeMGApr 5, 20172 votes

Already made a few threads complaining about this lol. A 15 second cooldown ult that does that much damage is just dumb. I think they mentioned doing this to try and keep her from using her ult just to clear minions so they wanted to reward her for champ kills, but if the cooldown is low enough to waste an ult on minions than that's probably the issue to begin with.

If that's the case they should have increased the base cooldown and then champ kills could shorten it. There should be some slight compensation nerf to justify this, like a lower AP ratio or something. Maybe I wouldn't be so salty if her Q wasn't so easy to hit and it was actually possible to miss her E

XlcontiquApr 5, 20172 votes

She actually really needs buffs. However, these buffs do very little to her actual problems. The reason she's not played at high elo is because you can't snowball as easily with her. People are generally more aware, so you can't get any cheese kills with her. The problem she has isn't that's she's gated by cooldowns, her problem is that she has no answers for tanks.

A lot of team comps in high elo have at least one or two tanks, and supports that build items to keep their adc alive. So the buff does very little to her late game, as your chances of 100-0ing anyone on the opposing team are very low. I definitely see it being a big problem for low elo though, as she can snowball easily there and teams are generally not as coordinated.

VivaLaKittenApr 7, 20171 votes

yeah her only problem is against tanks how does giving her more free squishy kills help that?