It funny how some still think it Wukong or Assassins problem only, hear me out and i not defending

ValiantKiller··3 votes·867 views

Let's be honest with ourself for moment , right now the game is all snowbally and about early kills it not the problem of runes only but of items right now. Yes Assassin snowball like monsters after they buy item 3147 but why not we all take a seat and let's look at other items/runes "Plus 1 kill" that make other champions snowball as well ? item 3057 +1 kill + Jax Yorick Vi XinZhao Irelia Gangplank etc. item 3044 +1 kill + Darius Illaoi Garen Renektonetc. item 3147 + 1 kill +Zed MonkeyKing Rengar Talon MissFortune etc. item 3095 + 1 kill + pretty much any ADC aside from Ashe . item 3100 + 1 kill + Fizz Evelynn etc. item 3124 + 1 kill + MasterYi Kaisa etc item 3146 + 1 kill + Akali Katarina etc. item 3151 + 1 kill + Brand Malzahar Mordekaiser etc.

Problem is not assassin only and their duskblade, problem is 1 kill plus good farm = one snowbally item that push champions out of control unless they are scaling champions or their kit lock their power behind levels. Like Nasus Veigar Sion Urgot (Kit doesn't work well unless you are above level 11 to clear waves and able to make full rotation)Kassadin Chogath

And yes from the list of items you won't notice much of tankers, cause their items doesn't snowball them hard that why most of viable tankers right now like Amumu Malphite etc goes for hyper AP building scale for damage.

And for runes Electrocute isn't the only problem with item 3147 only, Conqueror/PTA snowball you will with item 3057 , Kelpto snowball you with items which mean faster snowballs items, Aery plus item 3151 + item 3116 you know how it taste, etc.

Problem in whole that all items right now snowball champions, no matter what bounty system they make it won't make difference infact i will give you a funny example of my today match Urgot vs Renekton. We both killed each other in same time with ignite and we both had same cs we both bought same items + pots but because the enemy jungler baited my "smart" jungler and force him to die forRenekton, he was able to finish item 3044 and since then the lane went out of my control just cause Renekton is snowball champions and able to get the first good item.

The only way you can recover from a fail like that if you was a lucky person and you picked a counter to that champion but unlucky me he picked rene after me, so i was hopeless cause by default Rene and Urgot is skilled matchup in favor of Rene.

But if it was Urgot vs Garen due the nature of Urgot able to bully garen and able to counter him easily even if garen is ahead i can kill him but if it skilled match or not in your favor and they snowball you won't be able to stop them unless they dive you under tower without thinking right.

See it not problem of Wukong and Assassins only, it problem of the whole game.

11 Comments

OtterlyLost2 votes

The only ADCs that snowball off one kill and stormrazor are jhin and craven. MF builds lethality. All of the other ones are better off building BF into a zeal item

ValiantKiller1 votes

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The only ADCs that snowball off one kill and stormrazor are jhin and craven. MF builds lethality. All of the other ones are better off building BF into a zeal item

But you get my point here, right? It just examples of runes plus items making the problem, not only one class and not only one item.

SuperLuigiLXIV1 votes

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

You can't get mad at a bursty snowball champion for doing well in a snowbally burst meta. If you nerf the worst one, the one next in line just becomes dominant instead.

And since Riot is trying to work on the meta, nerfing the champions now is only going to make them excessively weak later.

Considering how long ADCs got to stay in power, half a year is perfectly acceptable for this BS to continue.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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I've said it before, I'll say it again.

You can't get mad at a bursty snowball champion for doing well in a snowbally burst meta. If you nerf the worst one, the one next in line just becomes dominant instead.

And since Riot is trying to work on the meta, nerfing the champions now is only going to make them excessively weak later.

Considering how long ADCs got to stay in power, half a year is perfectly acceptable for this BS to continue.

That what happen last few months, they nerfed Talon and wukong then quinn popped up and the cycle will keep going it doesn't matter.

DW Diana1 votes

Ummmm....Malzahar + item 3151 ? I mean sure if he's already got Rylais and ludens/serephs....

Sorry buddy but you need to look at the powerspike and kill pressure. Assassins have kill pressure level 3, they snowball from this and have 100-0 off a item 3134 or item 3155 .

Malzahar hits his powerspike at level 6, gets kill pressure at 3 items, and 100-0 is that thing he did once a few months ago befor the nerfs, like the penta kill last year.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Ummmm....Malzahar + item 3151 ? I mean sure if he's already got Rylais and ludens/serephs....

Sorry buddy but you need to look at the powerspike and kill pressure. Assassins have kill pressure level 3, they snowball from this and have 100-0 off a item 3134 or item 3155 .

Malzahar hits his powerspike at level 6, gets kill pressure at 3 items, and 100-0 is that thing he did once a few months ago befor the nerfs, like the penta kill last year.

you know from my post i didn't mention the long or short term, in other words sure when he have his item 3151 he already finished 2 items before them. Infact my post talk about the powerspikes that hidden in each item on it own, matter it early or late. And i didn't deny that assassin snowball early infact i said "They scale like monster ".

DW Diana1 votes

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you know from my post i didn't mention the long or short term, in other words sure when he have his item 3151 he already finished 2 items before them.

The fact you think THAT is the important part of the response shows where your problem is.... It didn't even register with you that between you hitting level 3 and your opponent getting 3 ITEMS your assassin has the advantage over a champion that was DESIGNED to counter it.... Feels bad for those that he's MEANT to counter lol

ValiantKiller1 votes

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The fact you think THAT is the important part of the response shows where your problem is.... It didn't even register with you that between you hitting level 3 and your opponent getting 3 ITEMS your assassin has the advantage over a champion that was DESIGNED to counter it.... Feels bad for those that he's MEANT to counter lol

Well assassin power creep is higher cause meta is snowballing faster now and that that problem with late scaling champions, so i have to agree with you it feels bad for him. But don't worry nerfs is coming to duskblade and main runes of assassins anyway.

DW Diana1 votes

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Well assassin power creep is higher cause meta is snowballing faster now and that that problem with late scaling champions, so i have to agree with you it feels bad for him. But don't worry nerfs is coming to duskblade and main runes of assassins anyway.

Yeah I know. Malz will still be trash even then, and that keystone was the last thing you could use for kill pressure early on him, and the changes to it really nerfs to assassins anyway. Look at the % reduction in damage compared to the CD. Those that can proc it easily every 20 seconds will actually be better off.

ValiantKiller1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Loki1987,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0E7PqKsN,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-08-06T18:18:44.788+0000)

Yeah I know. Malz will still be trash even then, and that keystone was the last thing you could use for kill pressure early on him, and the changes to it really nerfs to assassins anyway. Look at the % reduction in damage compared to the CD. Those that can proc it easily every 20 seconds will actually be better off.

But dudkblade proc damage + leth number from sudden impact plus duskblade passive share same passive with stormrazor will cut them down

DW Diana1 votes

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But dudkblade proc damage + leth number from sudden impact plus duskblade passive share same passive with stormrazor will cut them down

Really I hope so, but it won't change the meta. It's 1 shot or die. The best CC is death. Hypermobile hyper carries will still be deciding everything because they will still lack a viable counter.

The champion road map was my hope for news on this, but was dissappointed. Maybe they will do the champions they needed to as just mini reworks inbetween.

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