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Riot just destroyed 1% of remaining trust I had for them.

option paralysis··18 votes·6,044 views

After 4 years of not touching Wukong and not even wanting to rework him, despite wukong mains wanting some touch up to make him more skilled, he finally got some spotlight after you introduced duskblade and stormrazor and then you gut him to a 46% win rate. And the buff I see is this ? **Attack speed increased from .658 to .711 ** You're actually a complete fucking joke.

And then in the same patch you're literally buffing 49%-50% win rate champions in rengar/kayn/yi WHO DO THE SAME EXACT THING WUKONG DOES. But hey, I guess wukong doesn't bring lc$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ like rengar and edgy kayn do, so fuck him. And it's so blatantly obvious you're doing all this, because it's the last worlds patch, and rengar/kayn/yi have like 5 times the play rate wukong has, so you gotta make that $$$. No favoritism though.

But I get it, your complete incompetence made this season feel like one big preseason bullshit and not enjoyable at all, people shitting on the game, viewers dropping down, so you wanna get at least something out of it right. No wonder the last 2 patches, literally 13 new skins got made.

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Automated Riven31 votes

I'm sure I am gonna get downvoted but who fucking cares.

Wukong is not supposed to 1 shot people. The fact your arguing that rengar and kayne do the same thing IS the problem.

They are trying to give him back power in a way that is reletively healthy for wukong. Not for kayne and rengar. If they don't continue to try to get him up to par as a DPS champion then I agree. But until then wukong is NOT a fucking assassin.

9NINE1 votes

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I'm sure I am gonna get downvoted but who fucking cares.

Wukong is not supposed to 1 shot people. The fact your arguing that rengar and kayne do the same thing IS the problem.

They are trying to give him back power in a way that is reletively healthy for wukong. Not for kayne and rengar. If they don't continue to try to get him up to par as a DPS champion then I agree. But until then wukong is NOT a fucking assassin.

how about with akali with her sustain, invis and mobility?

Automated Riven9 votes

Akali is an assassin. Wukong is a fighter. Fighter are not supposed to oneshot people. They are supposed to disrupt the backline while being rather beefy threats. They should deal more damage then a tank but have lower lockdown potential. However assassin's should have zero lockdown potential and deal significantly higher damage.

That being said akali still has a longer ttk then wukong does. So your argument at the premise is invalid.

scottlikecheese

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Akali is an assassin. Wukong is a fighter. Fighter are not supposed to oneshot people. They are supposed to disrupt the backline while being rather beefy threats. They should deal more damage then a tank but have lower lockdown potential. However assassin's should have zero lockdown potential and deal significantly higher damage.

That being said akali still has a longer ttk then wukong does. So your argument at the premise is invalid.

Akali's ttk is extremely short if she has gunblade. Wukong it takes at least two lethality items to get a faster ttk.

Sharpest glasses1 votes

Wukong is same as Rengar, both are diver.

Kayn in other hand, is a Diver assassin in blue form.

Fízz v29 votes

But hey, I guess wukong doesn't bring lc$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ like rengar and edgy kayn do

implying rengar and kayn have ever been meta in lcs this season hehe

iody7 votes

Waaaa my wukong can't 1shot everyone all the time now i have to build a fighter like a fighter and not an assassin. Want to 1 shot people play assassins that's literally the point of them and riot quit caring about forcing counterplay from 1 shots. And for gods sake you actually said kayne, rengar, and yi all do the same thing. This explained it all.

Femboy Xayah4 votes

Logged in to downvote Appleton who didn't read the post.

Or the subsequent comment predicting this exact response.

Nateinmyhouse6 votes

You cannot blame them for focusing on the mist played champions, nit saying kong doesn't need an update, but if this is your final straw you should stop playing. There's over 100 champions, learn more than one.

HalcyonDweller6 votes

Totally valid frustration. Totally invalid false-comparisons, ad-hominems and strawmen attacks against Riot.

Getting gutted sucks. But I wouldn't want them to buff the burst version of wukong back up, and I play wukong. Or I did, back before he became a 1-shot champion who was pick/ban all the time. He's supposed to be a fighter, not an assassin. Attack speed is appropriate for fighters, burst damage is less so.

Ind0mitus4 votes

Someone's even edgier than Kayn. Maybe you should be the next champion. Passive- wahhhhhhh

Tahminatrix 3 votes

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despite wukong mains wanting some touch up to make him more skilled,

I feel like people who downvote your post arnt even gonna read the first line, so they wont even see where youre coming from and assume youre a wukong main who is salty that they cant right click people to death or something.

Wukong has pretty some pretty predictable gameplay and it would be nice if he had changes to him that gave him more counterplay to his gap close + q but also more skill expression with those skills while also increasing the damage that he is allowed to do (by surviving longer or something)

(Maybe make his q a small skillshot with a short delay that takes his invis/clone off cd if he lands it, he could be a mini khazix)

I support.

theChibiTina3 votes

Per Meddler himself: "Wukong however's been hit pretty hard by the combination of direct nerfs and Rune changes. We'll see whether he stabilizes before potentially making changes to him (burst threshold changes add a brief but noticeable relearning period). If he remains as weak as he's currently looking we'll want to do something for him, likely in a way that doesn't add burst damage back (so something like sustained damage, tankiness, regen etc)" It'd probably be better if they just gave him a minor rework, but at least they're trying to not turn him back into the overly oppressive, one shot machine that he was.

rud3y3 votes

Cry more

Your So TM063 votes

This is the epitome of what's wrong with the community. Roit touchs something someone cares about they freak out. Then claim they are never playing again until they fix there favorite champion. Patching stats adding and removing mechanics in the game is literally how they keep it fresh so people wanna keep playing. Sometimes yea they make a mistake... (Wukong with 57% WR). But then they fix it and that's where people start bitching. Because its not just that they overpowered him, they changed how he was intended to play. Look at app soraka season 3. It was honestly terrifying and had a crazy high win rate. After worlds or maybe it was before (been a while can't remember...) They reworked her so it is not viable as ap anymore. Hell... She was one of my favorite supports in that form. Yeah I am sad I can't press E to give Mana anymore but I also enjoy her new kit as an ambulance.

Word of advice to all who read this and are not yet aware of it.... There such a thing as change get used to it lol.

Zaraki Tino2 votes

Exactly. Not like we are all going to miss that dude who said he was done with League. Bye Felicia

hotarse2 votes

take my upvote

DJstar222 votes

Wukong was never meant to be an assassin. Hell in the old categories he was listed as a tank/fighter. It's like how whenever Diana is relevant, the first thing they hit is her ratios because 100-0 wasn't the vision they had.

Also when has kayn ever been relevant? He's never played in LCS and he has no skins. Rito is making no money from this guy. Danger Kat and saskayne are in terrible places solo Q wise. They have low play rates and the only reason their win rates isn't tanked is because of one tricks. The small buff to wukong is because they're treating the Kong with kid gloves. If the buffs are even slightly over he goes back to one shotting again.

Soft Orange2 votes

So a huge problem with this whole argument is comparing wukong to rengar kayne and yi, even if you wanted to build them all to assassinate wukong would hit his spike at level 4 which is insane. All of those champions have to survive the early game and get to the mid/late game where they can effect the map in a meaningful way. Wukong has a strong team fight ultimate that ensures he will be useful all game whereas kayne (blue) falls of late game and can be countered by any disengage when played correctly. Really your upset that wukong brain dead easy anymore.

DearPear2 votes

I love how people don't realize how big of an AS buff this is.

Edge of Daybreak1 votes

If you look at it in the simplest terms sure they all seek to one shot you however neither does it in the same way wukong does nor as effectively as wukong.

Trollocs1 votes

I love Wukong. I would love at least a decent passive. Nunu's latest passive is powerful and dynamic, it changes the play of the lane. Wukong needs a new passive and some sort of tweak on his clone at least. Messing with pure stats is RIOT's prerogative, but If it is about trying to get every champion up to the new standards of fun and dynamic abilities, he is lacking.

LOL Champs have only about 5 'abilities' per champion, this is why HOTS is more often than not describe as more fun than LOL. In HOTS Hero's have much more than 5 abilities. They literally have 2 ults. But HOTS lacks in-depth difficulty curve.

RIOT needs to work on FUN and a strong difficulty curve. They should worry about Champ abilities over Item tweaks. The game is about the Champions, League of LEGENDS not league of Loot.

In short, haha, I AGREE.

Lawn Mowing Goat1 votes

Speaking of League of Loot, remember when large shutdowns were 390 gold. Now if you kill snowballing champion x, you can get upwards of 1000 gold.

VirtualWingman131 votes

Just gonna throw it out there but half of wukongs kit leans more over onto the assassin side. So the people saying that wukong isn't supposed to be one he was unintentionally and can easily be one.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

His passive is that of a diver His q is shared between divers and assassin's His w I'd assassin His e is shared again simply because it's his mobility. His ult us a teamfight ult, so that of a diver.

So no I'd say he's more of a diver then a assassin.

EIias Ainsworth1 votes

Champ's braindead as hell and does too much damage anyway. You want buffs?

You ok mate? Lol

Sparklepaws1 votes

Logging in to add my two cents. I've played since the Beta and I've seen Wu-Kong become many things, but never an assassin. His kit is built around being a Fighter, the very fact that his Ult is an AoE and not a single-target finisher is proof enough.

Your intent isn't that bad, I've seen my mains shoved into the ground as well. It sucks, especially when the solution seems obvious, but your analysis of Wu-Kong's problems are incorrect. Comparing him to champions like Rengar and Yi show a complete lack of understanding about their identities and perhaps more importantly, your main's identity.

I recommend providing a solution based on logical concepts, solid research and actual facts rather than making bold claims that make you sound like a conspiracy theorist. I genuinely mean that in the nicest way possible.

Zyrite1 votes

I don't understand, attack speed is an amazing buff (simple math proves that) and he's becoming what Riot wants him to become? Basically all of my mains have been nerfed to the ground before but if you knew anything about Riot, they always fix their mistakes (or at least try).

Jon Truemangz1 votes

Holy shit what did i just read The only thing you're right about is that wukong was super unplayed until now, but everything else is beyond stupid man. Legit wukong has never been, should've never been an assassin like he was before the nerfs, he was always an engage heavy bruiser and nothing more Blue Kayn and Rengar are meant to pop non tanks because they are ASSASSINS that have either little to no cc "B-but muh empowered e and red kayn!, in rengar's case, his e is a fucking joke of a root unless you KNOW you can waste said empowerment and still kill the person, it's only good on anything you haven't murdered yet and ARE ABLE TO murder but literally is single target, barely phases tanks and can just be dodged by moving laterally, Rhaast on the other had, is meant to be like wukong, bulky diving bruiser who can shrug off enough damage to do his job of beating the shit out of people and stun anyone who doesn't move laterally from his w. Wukong does this too but more reliably cuz he can HUNT DOWN PEOPLE WITH ULT AND CC THEM. To imply a fucking multi-hit, multi knock up ult that fucking annihilates health if you build black cleaver and has very little escaping potential is meant to be on a fucking assassin, HOOOO BOY i hate to see how'd ya "fix" champs like zoe, and nid then. And lastly, I know Yi is wukong's teacher in lore but that means fuck all in game dude, don't fucking compare a champ who gets so hard shut down by just a bit of cc and has literally no cc and proper dash to wukong cuz it's nowhere near the same beast at fucking all. In short, learn what the fuck you play actually instead of going the hottest new meme build and realize how fucking stupid you are for at all comparing actual champs meant to one shot to wukong, or the worst offending comparison, Saying jobbing man of a million autos and gold siphoning is the same to him as well

WarlordKenshi1 votes

I understand that wukong should not be one shotting in this season and I think his bruiser form is misjudged it’s not awful but it works in most ratings even though other bruisers beat him 1v1 he still can function in this game. I do think he needs a gameplay update as this champ hasn’t had one despite how old he is, his game play is outdated and needs tuning so that he can stand up to others of his class but for solo q he is always playable. Most people just came to witch hunt and I can understand people wanting to check somebody based on they’re biased opinion but keep in mind if you are just trying witch hunt you aren’t adding any substance to the discussion and are defeating ur point. Coming on here to flame isn’t what this for even if he wrong let him vent it don’t hurt nobody but the constant toxic flame rather than actual disscussuion is sad

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