If Vayne where to receive a nerf for her burst....

Lady Hammerlock·Oct 9, 2016·25 votes·2,261 views

Specifically the build which if the attack crits will evaporate your health bar because Q crit+Shiv crit+normal auto crit all boosted by IE will hurt

The nerfs should be any of the below -Still let Q crit, but make Q crits deal reduced damage -Revert the "Q now rolls crit alongside auto attack" change a couple of patches ago which probably started this whole mess to begin with

Now before you say "OMG ANOTHER VAYNE HATER OKAY GUYS LETS MOVE ALONG", As a vayne player her being my highest mastery, I honestly think she doesn't need nerfs for balance, if anything a nerf should be targeted at frustration

EDIT: Fuck me i write the last part incorrectly, WHAT I MEANT WAS She doesn't need nerfs, all these posts QQ because its frustrating even though Vayne herself is pretty balanced at the moment

43 Comments

VeltoxOct 9, 201613 votes

Why she can crit to begin with?

AirKingNeoOct 9, 20165 votes

Here's a better idea. Nerf it down to 55% (it's like 5% buff from last time), it crits properly with autos, it no longer works on towers (Look you're an assassin anti-tank, you can't be good at splitpushing too.).

Then, her W deals 1% more true damage at all ranks. Mainly her late game is good but her problem wasn't vs squishies but rather tanks a bit. Also this is mainly for last hitting.

Then, buff her base stats. Now we have a Vayne who isn't 1 shotting people, hurting tanks, and has a decent laning phase but still poor (as a trade off to insane late game.)

RalanrOct 9, 20164 votes

Kinda confused why she has burst at all. Though I guess I shouldn't see her W as one of the best DPS abilities in the game.

Ruin LanceOct 9, 20163 votes

vayne doesn't need a nerf.

"a nerf should be targeted at frustration" bronze 5 logic.

i don't think you realize how retarded that actually sounds. imagine if champions were balanced around how frustrating they were to play against.

there are a lot of things that are frustrating to play against in this game and i don't think that there's really anyone in the game that someone would say that they enjoy playing against a certain champion.

GULAG 4 UOct 9, 20162 votes

Vayne isn't even good. She doesn't needs nerfs. Her zone is the smallest among adcs. Only graves and sivir's are lower than hers. You don't nerf a champion because of a couple of QQers and because she's "frustrating". If she was so good she'd see LCS play, and she doesn't see any.

RivuoOct 9, 20163 votes

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Vayne isn't even good. She doesn't needs nerfs. Her ranged is the smallest among adcs. Only graves and sivir's are lower than hers. You don't nerf a champion because of a couple of QQers and because she's "frustrating". If she was so good she'd see LCS play, and she doesn't see any.

Lucian is 500. Jinx is starting 550 with minigun.

Trist starts the same. Varus is only 20 higher.

Vaynes range is not the lowest.

GULAG 4 UOct 9, 20164 votes

I said range, not auto attack range for a reason. Range as how close you need to be in order for the said champion to be able to affect you (Kha'zix range at level 16 with QER evolutions is the 1200 units from E. e and the distance coverable with evolved R). Vayne has no range outside tumble+auto and lucian's dash is much longer than vayne's. Trist's jump is also much longer and she has spells that extend it. Varus isn't really an adc at this point, he's an AD caster that spams Q.

RivuoOct 9, 20161 votes

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I said range, not auto attack range for a reason. Range as how close you need to be in order for the said champion to be able to affect you (Kha'zix range at level 16 with QER evolutions is the 1200 units from E. e and the distance coverable with evolved R). Vayne has no range outside tumble+auto and lucian's dash is much longer than vayne's. Trist's jump is also much longer and she has spells that extend it. Varus isn't really an adc at this point, he's an AD caster that spams Q.

Very true

GULAG 4 UOct 9, 20163 votes

But the point is vayne doesn't needs any nerfs, and you don't nerf a champion because some bronzies and silvers are crying. Nor because she's "frustrating".

RivuoOct 9, 20162 votes

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But the point is vayne doesn't needs any nerfs, and you don't nerf a champion because some bronzies and silvers are crying. Nor because she's "frustrating".

i mean lets be honest... when you play a tank that has no damage and build straight tank... it doesnt feel good to see

''350 true damage blessing of lizard''

''700 true damage silver bolts''

''1600 basic attack''

''334 fervor''

GULAG 4 UOct 9, 20161 votes

Deathrecap isn't known for being accurate...

Blessing of the lizard? What is that, season 4?

ModAcademy KaynOct 9, 20165 votes

Why are you 1v1'ing Vayne as a tank?

Troll for TrumpOct 9, 20165 votes

Because you can't friggin run from her when she has R up duh. R, Tumble+Stealth, E out of nowhere, you're dead.

ModAcademy KaynOct 9, 20162 votes

That wasn't my question. Why are you, a tank, alone, without a team, 1v1'ing a Vayne?

Troll for TrumpOct 9, 20163 votes

It's not 1v1ing. You aren't 1v1ing her, she's engaging on you.

I'll give you an example.

You're playing Nunu. Their jgler is Master Yi. You're using your(PBE ver.) Q to farm the jgl creeps. Yi comes in and kills you. Because I'm assuming YI will eat Nunu up.

That's not him trying to 1v1. That's him being engaged on. It's impossible to escape from. You can try, but chances are, in most cases, you will die.

ModAcademy KaynOct 9, 20162 votes

If we're talking early game, Yi does not have the nessecary burst to kill a Tank Jungler that quickly, and Nunu will most likely be able to run away towards an ally for help, assuming best course scenario of teammates that actually help with invades.

If we're talking late game, why the fuck is Nunu farming alone in the jungle? If he's that far away from teammates farming, and someone finds him, what ya freaking think is gonna happen? Even then, if we're talking Mid-game with 3-4 items, it'd take quite a while to actually kill a Nunu, meanwhile he's running away.

If Vayne, Vayne of all people, is able to engage on you alone, and you are without teammates to help you, than you are playing Tank's wrong.

Troll for TrumpOct 9, 20163 votes

I'm using Yi to compare with Vayne because of the nature of their powercurves.

Meh pre 6, once they hit 6 they can actually do something, both are lategame monsters, both are good 1v1ers, and bad at teamfighting unless they are cleaning up.

No. With Yi's ult, or Vayne's % dmg, he will die in under 8 seconds. He doesn't need to be far away from teammates. No one should always be sticking in a group 24/7 lategame. That's a horrible mentality. The "Group and win" only mindset is for people that yet to have grasped what to do when you're in lategame. Tank's aren't everyone's slave. They don't have to stick with you 24/7.

RivuoOct 9, 20162 votes

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Why are you 1v1'ing Vayne as a tank?

Adcs are ment to kill the tanks bud.

ModAcademy KaynOct 9, 20161 votes

That's what I'm saying.

chipndip1Oct 9, 20162 votes

Jinx is 525 on mini-gun.

Graves is like...425? Also, Urgot exists.

Sivir's like 500 or 525 too.

5000000000000000Oct 10, 20161 votes

Can we really say that Graves is a marksman?

MLDzXnRRROct 9, 20161 votes

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Vayne isn't even good. She doesn't needs nerfs. Her ranged is the smallest among adcs. Only graves and sivir's are lower than hers. You don't nerf a champion because of a couple of QQers and because she's "frustrating". If she was so good she'd see LCS play, and she doesn't see any.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Range

Check how many champions are with "low range" like Vayne...

GULAG 4 UOct 9, 20164 votes

5000000000000000Oct 10, 20161 votes

Isn't the common term used "zone," not "range?" Most people would not say that Kha'Zix has 1200 range. However, 1200 units around him can be his zone.

GULAG 4 UOct 10, 20161 votes

Eh yes Zone is the actual word, thanks for pointing it out.

NineTailedMysticOct 9, 20164 votes

It's pretty silly when she can half health a mid laner with IE Shiv Tumble Crit with only those two items and ult. Come late game where she can almost one shot squishies for being a DPS champion, that's some pretty outrageous DPS.

GULAG 4 UOct 9, 20161 votes

TheN You realize you can rape her and abuse her pre 30 all day if you aren't boosted. Her early game is abysmal and as a mid laner you should be able to 1v1 and kill her with ease.

Lady HammerlockOct 10, 20161 votes

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Vayne isn't even good. She doesn't needs nerfs. Her zone is the smallest among adcs. Only graves and sivir's are lower than hers. You don't nerf a champion because of a couple of QQers and because she's "frustrating". If she was so good she'd see LCS play, and she doesn't see any.

Oh my god i respect people like you who can understand that

SpoofghoulOct 9, 20162 votes

nono, just remove her stealth

RocketRelmOct 9, 20162 votes

Where you will find the word you are looking for is here. > Were.

SiG DxDOct 9, 20162 votes

nerf W cancerous true dmg % and im fine

ZephyrDrakeOct 10, 20162 votes

"burst" you have no idea what burst is if you think that vayne bursts anyone

Lady HammerlockOct 10, 20162 votes

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"burst" you have no idea what burst is if you think that vayne bursts anyone

Yeah 50% of my health in a single auto attack kind of burst not the 100-0 burst, but with that build a single critical auto can HURT LIKE A BITCH

ZephyrDrakeOct 10, 20161 votes

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Yeah 50% of my health in a single auto attack kind of burst not the 100-0 burst, but with that build a single critical auto can HURT LIKE A BITCH

oh you mean the "burst" of every single ADC on a squishy target that is not building ANY armor NOR health whatsoever?

Lady HammerlockOct 11, 20161 votes

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oh you mean the "burst" of every single ADC on a squishy target that is not building ANY armor NOR health whatsoever?

I mean thats partly why I don't get all the other posts that kind of "burst" is completely okay since i mean... Vayne does have the lowest threat range as an ADC(if you don't count Kindred that is)

Its funny how Vayne does this shit and everyone bats an eye but when Caitlyn can do the same from double the range(and do even more damage) nobody gives a shit

Tik115Oct 9, 20161 votes

Q empowered shot can't crit but if it were to be a crit she gets an AS buff for a second

Sort of deals with the 1600 damage Q crit, doesn't hit her build path too much and makes the focus go more on her W.

PC Trash Go AwayOct 9, 20161 votes

If you were to learn English, then your teacher might just let you take off the dunce cap.

DracocrashOct 9, 20161 votes

you play vayne but don't know much about her do you?

the crit build became popular because of the +0.2 bonus ad ratio buff, which multiplies to more than +0.4 (on crit) with the shiv/IE build.

She could always crit with Q, the problem was NOT cause by her Q criting allongside her auto attack, her DPS remains the same weather her Q crits with her autos or not.

Basically if vayne had 50% crit before this could happen: Q + auto -> Q crits, auto doesn't

another Q + auto -> auto crits, Q doesn't

now

Q + auto -> auto crits, Q crits.

another Q + auto -> auto doesn't crit, Q doesn't crit.

You may have vayne as your highest mastery but you have no knowledge of her, or how the buffs affected her. Even the title on your post is POORLY written out (hint : its were, not where)

Lady HammerlockOct 10, 20161 votes

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you play vayne but don't know much about her do you?

the crit build became popular because of the +0.2 bonus ad ratio buff, which multiplies to more than +0.4 (on crit) with the shiv/IE build.

She could always crit with Q, the problem was NOT cause by her Q criting allongside her auto attack, her DPS remains the same weather her Q crits with her autos or not.

Basically if vayne had 50% crit before this could happen: Q + auto -> Q crits, auto doesn't

another Q + auto -> auto crits, Q doesn't

now

Q + auto -> auto crits, Q crits.

another Q + auto -> auto doesn't crit, Q doesn't crit.

You may have vayne as your highest mastery but you have no knowledge of her, or how the buffs affected her. Even the title on your post is POORLY written out (hint : its were, not where)

Probably since i don't use said build often, i RARELY ever build shiv on Vayne

Lady HammerlockOct 10, 20161 votes

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you play vayne but don't know much about her do you?

the crit build became popular because of the +0.2 bonus ad ratio buff, which multiplies to more than +0.4 (on crit) with the shiv/IE build.

She could always crit with Q, the problem was NOT cause by her Q criting allongside her auto attack, her DPS remains the same weather her Q crits with her autos or not.

Basically if vayne had 50% crit before this could happen: Q + auto -> Q crits, auto doesn't

another Q + auto -> auto crits, Q doesn't

now

Q + auto -> auto crits, Q crits.

another Q + auto -> auto doesn't crit, Q doesn't crit.

You may have vayne as your highest mastery but you have no knowledge of her, or how the buffs affected her. Even the title on your post is POORLY written out (hint : its were, not where)

I forgot to account the 70% AD ratio buff, but when you think about it the mix of both semi-led to this happening since Q works better with crit+20% more AD ratio on her Q

so if you have 50% crit with no CDR you could Q every 2 seconds at level 9 LETS JUST ASSUME that 1 in 2 chance to crit will mean every other attack is a crit so Vayne's second auto which COULD be empowered by shiv+Q+crit

and I'm more of a fan of the item 3085 Vayne build, thanks for adding this, i never read it on the patch notes

Sire HippingtonOct 10, 20161 votes

-Revert the "Q now rolls crit alongside auto attack" change a couple of patches ago which probably started this whole mess to begin with

This exact changes did exactly nothing other than reminding people that her Q actually scales with crit. Reverting that will changes next to nothing. What caused the issue is the 0.2 ad-ratio buff on her Q, cause it increased the IE-crit on Q by 0.5ad

AwesomeChadOct 10, 20161 votes

whats with all these vayne threads? Is she really broken in the meta right now?

dominusxOct 10, 20162 votes

she just oneshots adc's with 3autos aka Q crit hit crit litterally all it takes while also maintaining her tank busting capabilities since her build has a lot of attack speed with shiv/runnas/pd also shiv rush allows her to counterpush waves so she isnt completely useless pre 3 items pushing whise. i played the build and i cna say it made vayne fun to play but i still see people build bork 1st item and it triggers me so much that my vayne hate comes back