This game is a lottery unless you have a huge number of games - proof inside

koochario·9/10/2017, 7:50:34 PM·9 votes·1,170 views

So, I have 2 plat accounts this season solo. Same champion pools and roles. Usually I get to mid gold with ~60% winrate and have some trouble with g1+. My champion pool isn't hard carry champions for mid or jg... it's stuff like Nunu, Zilean, Ziggs, etc. I have 20+ games on many of these champions for the various accounts with winrates ranging from 40% to 70%... with me playing no worse. Moreover, some accounts I got to plat. in about 100 games while others took way longer. The latest thing proving how little you matter as a player since the nerfs to solo carrying in S6+ is that I got a new account placed in Siler 4 (despite playing well most games). One game had a first time ranked player who died 16x randomly despite getting revived a ton from Zilean and playing an Alistar. Some had afkers. Others had troll comps. And on it goes. Anyway, so I climb to Silver 1 fairly quickly - even skipping a division. Then again, a series of troll games, actually demoted to Silver 2 and op.gg says my mmr is silver 4 after ~60 games. It's actually blowing my mind. So again, the same season with only a month offset maybe, I climbed a new account solo with the same champions from Silver 1 after placements to G1 (and just stopped because I wanted to do it again). I've been Plat this season on other accounts too and also last season... same roles.

This is actual proof of ELO hell existing over at least a somewhat small number of games. If you have less than 300 games, you can be ranked completely differently than you deserve. I have no doubt that even this new account which has silver 4 mmr after the troll games (and again, i played as well as I did in my plat games) will get to plat. However, it may take another 100 games. This is why I won't give 2 shits about climbing next season. If I need such large samples for a reliable ranking, it's not worth my time. The matchamaking is too terrible and wastes my time too much with lobby trolls etc. Maybe if I played hard carry champions I wouldn't need such samples but still, any game which takes THIS LONG to reflect skill just bugs me as someone who came from StarCraft 2 1v1 lader.

EDIT: Op.gg estimates might be wrong or very unreliable. It used to say I had a S4 MMR after I dropped to S2 (at one point the new account with 60 games had supposedly G1 MMR a few days ago). However, I played and won 2 games on it today and it says my MMR is G4 now (in promos for S1).

13 Comments

Quepha9/10/2017, 8:06:07 PM3 votes

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My champion pool isn't hard carry champions for mid or jg... it's stuff like Nunu, Zilean, Ziggs, etc.

You admit to playing champions that can't carry but claim this proves it's impossible to carry? Players like Neace get 70-80% winrates on new accounts all the way up to diamond (he did 100 games to diamond multiple times on various champs) because he plays champs that can carry even with substandard teams.

MysterQ9/10/2017, 8:45:34 PM1 votes

If you had time, I need help going from flexS1 to G5 lol. I understand if you can't carry but even just a friendly person would be cool.