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Fellow singed mains, do you use ROA? Why?

Sorgklaan··1 votes·840 views

I'll admit, it can be a decent amount of delayed power, but let me bring up some points.

  • Double dorans alone gives you enough mana regen to infinitely gas minion waves and gain back more mana than you use, while also giving you a respectable amount of early damage. Of course, you will not always have to buy double dorans, but the AP and mana regen are overall superior to Catalyst and much cheaper when you do need them.

  • ROA is a lot of power and tankiness later, but is it worth sacrificing your early power?

  • Rylai's gives you more AP early on, as well as an amazing slow that makes you very difficult to catch and allows you to chase and kite very easily, as well as a fair amount of health. Not as much health as a ROA, but the passive and extra AP are spectacular.

  • Buying ROA delays your Rylai purchase and causes you to end up overall weaker early, BUT NOT ONLY THAT, it delays your liandry purchase after rylai, which absolutely gimps you because they have so much synergy, giving you so much damage and health alone.

  • With the arguments above, is ROA really worth rushing? Is it not better to instead rush rylai into liandry and replace ROA with a dedicated tank item later on?

22 Comments

Phife2 votes

Its because of singeds passive, it gives him more hp because of the hp + mana and gives him more ap than double dorans gives you...(alot more)

Sorgklaan1 votes

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Its because of singeds passive, it gives him more hp because of the hp + mana and gives him more ap than double dorans gives you...(alot more)

I realize that, but why should I give a fuck about the passive when I can just build rylai's and be tanky, have more AP, and be untouchable?

Phife3 votes

Because eventually you wont have 2 dorans rings to sustain your mana and will need some sort of mana, personally i build roa > tear > rylias. Its not like its hard to farm with singed so i get those 3 items relativity fast.

Sorgklaan1 votes

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Because eventually you wont have 2 dorans rings to sustain your mana and will need some sort of mana, personally i build roa > tear > rylias. Its not like its hard to farm with singed so i get those 3 items relativity fast.

After I sell I sell my double dorans lategame, I never have any mana problems, ever. And I never build any mana items.

I can't think of a single time I have ever legitimately run out of mana past like 10 minutes, atleast not unless I was split pushing for a long time or after drawn out teamfight, but by then it really does not matter.

Your ult gives you a lot of mana regen, assuming you use it in most teamfights, you're not going to have any mana issues unless you're leaving your poison on 24/7.

Phife3 votes

You say you main singed yet you dont utilize his 25% of max mana conversion into health???

are you insane?

Sorgklaan1 votes

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You say you main singed yet you dont utilize his 25% of max mana conversion into health???

are you insane?

Again, why should I? What incentive do I have? I don't need the mana, I can get just as much health from a dedicated tank item while also getting resists and another passive, and ROA delays your purchase of rylai+liandry which is a massive gimping to your damage and utility. It absolutely gives you more health, but is that worth it?

Phife1 votes

Ive never heard of a singed that can play without mana items... just rediculous

Sorgklaan1 votes

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Ive never heard of a singed that can play without mana items... just rediculous

http://www.lolking.net/guides/290632

This is the guy who originally taught me, I talked to him ingame :U

He's a diamond singed main, has like every singed skin ever, plays almost exclusively singed.

Phife1 votes

diamond 5 isn't that amazing, and having skins means nothing. I don't agree with this build at all, you need a tear. Period.

Sorgklaan1 votes

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diamond 5 isn't that amazing, and having skins means nothing. I don't agree with this build at all, you need a tear. Period.

Tear is absolute shit on singed. It completely fucks you until lategame.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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Tear is absolute shit on singed. It completely fucks you until lategame.

Singed is one of the fastest tear stackers in the game, how the hell is such a cheap item like tear going to fuck you until the late game? that 720 gold sure is going to fuck you over for that long

Meep Man2 votes

No, because items that help you not die or buff your poison for additional effects are much stronger. For example, Dead Man's, Rylai's, and Lyandry's are all example items of this. Then theres boots and most mana items don't provide any useful tank stats except Frozen Heart so building pure Tank items are usually better. RoA doesn't give you any effects on poison and doesn't exactly boost your ability to survive by too much. Righteous Glory is a decent alternative if you want Catalyst. Anyways, Rylai's is better to rush since it gives you a lot more control over your opponent's, lane, and the game in general.

Trebbi2 votes

2 dorans ring is still superior in early dueling where singed has the most problems.

I know it sounds weird, but not building mana on singed has made more sense now than ever since the AP item change.

Building both Rylais and Rod of ages just makes singed less tanky now than ever since they give more AP and mana now.

Rylais and Liandry is all the damage he needs and the earlier you get rylais the earlier you can troll enemies, meaning RoA delays you too much and Tear makes you weak.

Sorgklaan1 votes

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2 dorans ring is still superior in early dueling where singed has the most problems.

I know it sounds weird, but not building mana on singed has made more sense now than ever since the AP item change.

Building both Rylais and Rod of ages just makes singed less tanky now than ever since they give more AP and mana now.

Rylais and Liandry is all the damage he needs and the earlier you get rylais the earlier you can troll enemies, meaning RoA delays you too much and Tear makes you weak.

Exactly this.

Maximum Zilean1 votes

Didn't they nerf the HP it gave, while buffing the AP on it awhile ago?

Sakura Mirage1 votes

Roa gives you health more health and mana ap it is just a pretty good buy has laning phase sustain by leveling up. Looper builds it (s4 top god)

Sorgklaan1 votes

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Roa gives you health more health and mana ap it is just a pretty good buy has laning phase sustain by leveling up. Looper builds it (s4 top god)

Yes, but it's delayed in the actual power it gives. Plus you have to build catalyst, which is honestly outclassed by doubledorans.

360D3GR3SS1 votes

"outclassed"... catalyst gives you 200 hp and 300 mana, and each level up 150 hp and 200 mana regen. Double dorans gives you 6 mana per 5 seconds (kind of ok i guess) and 8 Mana on a unit kill, it also provides 120 hp and 30 ap. In building no mana items you give up Q spam + tankiness from passive for just a little more taniness. What it boils down to is what works for you, and it sounds like you enjoy the double dorans which is a couple hundred gold more cost efficient than a catalyst, however Rod of ages gives singed 700 hp and 800 mana and 100 ap, that is about as efficient as it gets. Also you should try watching sirchez, he has been maining singed for a long while and knows what items are appropriate for what game. (he usually does get roa but i have seen him go double dorans into rylais before)

Sorgklaan1 votes

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"outclassed"... catalyst gives you 200 hp and 300 mana, and each level up 150 hp and 200 mana regen. Double dorans gives you 6 mana per 5 seconds (kind of ok i guess) and 8 Mana on a unit kill, it also provides 120 hp and 30 ap. In building no mana items you give up Q spam + tankiness from passive for just a little more taniness. What it boils down to is what works for you, and it sounds like you enjoy the double dorans which is a couple hundred gold more cost efficient than a catalyst, however Rod of ages gives singed 700 hp and 800 mana and 80 ap, that is about as efficient as it gets. Also you should try watching sirchez, he has been maining singed for a long while and knows what items are appropriate for what game. (he usually does get roa but i have seen him go double dorans into rylais before)

You can get ROA later if you really want, but there's really no reason to rush it.

360D3GR3SS1 votes

the point of getting roa early is to stack it earlier. The earlier you get it, the faster it becomes gold efficient.

NemeBro1 votes

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You can get ROA later if you really want, but there's really no reason to rush it.

You mean other than the fact that it only reaches maximum effectiveness after ten minutes?

Frankly, I see no reason not to rush it. Catalyst gives you plenty of sustain and tankiness, and Singed's great farming means he can get RoA quickly, and proceed to his Rylai's. He'll be doing respectable damage while being very tanky early game with a lot of sustain.

Myrddin1 votes

wait wait wait wait

someone mains singed?

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