"Omg you're such a meta sheep! You just copy the pros! I play what I want!"

HateDaddy··46 votes·4,333 views

No, I don't copy the pros. And no, most people don't actually give a shit what you play as long as we can find a way as a team to make it work.

But when you say you're going AD Heimer bot because you didn't get the role you wanted and you want to troll us - which lets be honest, this is the case the majority of the time - then expect to get reported. Youre getting reported for trolling because you didn't get your role and refused to communicate with the team when we asked you not to do that, not because we are meta sheep.

We are trying to win, this is ranked. I'm going to let people basically play anything but if something odd is picked, I'm going to look that player up. If they main it or have success with it, have at it. But if you lose the majority of your games with it, I'm going to say something because again I'm trying to win. I'm not being a meta sheep when I don't want you playing AP Fiora top (and this is legit, I'm not making this one up). You have a 20% winrate with it, and it only works if your opponent is retarded. I'm going to ask you not to do it because I want to win. Play normal Fiora, shits broken.

So in short, stop throwing this around because you want to troll or just "play what you want" despite it being terrible or you having terrible success with it. Play that shit in normals, don't play it in ranked.

55 Comments

Rallen32020 votes

My outlook has always been "I don't hate off-meta picks, I hate off-meta picks that don't work"

The Pungulator2 votes

Like AP Zed

Dragonlord71371 votes

Or full ap Riven?

Chespin20134 votes

but what about good off meta picks like ADMalzahar jungle tho?

The Loveless1 votes

AD Malz works in lanes too. He gave me my first loss as new Ryze top

Rinky Dinky3 votes

Nah, what we are complaining about is me when I lock in Mordekaiser mid and get flamed to hell for it.

Or Darius top

Or any champion Bjergson or Dyrus have not recently played.

Hatless Casual1 votes

Or pick a non-tank support.... people get way too worked up about this game sometimes.

Coffin Princess2 votes

The opposite extreme is also true, unfortunately.

HateDaddy2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Aozora Eyes,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=02FEFBrb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-07-14T01:25:36.100+0000)

The opposite extreme is also true, unfortunately.

Well I'm sure it is, but in my experience, from having played since season 2 in basically all elos short of high Diamond/masters/challenger, people don't usually give a shit as long as you win with off meta stuff or off-builds. Like, I ran into a few AP Yis and Ap trynds in s2/s3 before people even picked up on it and nobody gave a shit. We especially didn't give a shit afterwards when they carried on that broken stuff.

Coffin Princess4 votes

{quoted}

Well I'm sure it is, but in my experience, from having played since season 2 in basically all elos short of high Diamond/masters/challenger, people don't usually give a shit as long as you win with off meta stuff or off-builds. Like, I ran into a few AP Yis and Ap trynds in s2/s3 before people even picked up on it and nobody gave a shit. We especially didn't give a shit afterwards when they carried on that broken stuff.

I've played since Season 0 and my experience was more -> The higher up in rank you go, the less people care what you play. In Plati/Diamond I could get away with picking Poppy Toplane with no one saying anything. Trying that in Bronze/Silver/Low gold can get very negative reactions.

Anyway, I agree with the message behind the thread. People do try use 'metasheeps' as a shield for trolling when they're just trolling and should be reported. All I meant is that sometimes, the opposite is also very true and people are just metasheeps who follows what pros say/do like they're jesus.

Dragonlord71372 votes

I think Riot needs to enforce the try new stuff in normals if it works then go to ranked. One thing I would like is an option called experimentation or something where when you join the game everyone is going something odd that might work. Also I want a place I can play lightning Shen, I have never laughed as hard when I play it since you can 2 shot squishies.

HateDaddy7 votes

{quoted}

I think Riot needs to enforce the try new stuff in normals if it works then go to ranked. One thing I would like is an option called experimentation or something where when you join the game everyone is going something odd that might work. Also I want a place I can play lightning Shen, I have never laughed as hard when I play it since you can 2 shot squishies.

That sounds bronze as fuck

...how do I do it

Dragonlord71371 votes

When I play ranked I would never play Lightning Shen, I just play him when I'm feeling down because a game with him always cheers me up.

Cindikle3 votes

I can only assume it's full ADC Shen. Works the same way as Rammus. Taunt them so they cannot run and you AA them to death. The lightning part is Shiv.

Kind of sounds funny.

R in, dash, AA dead. Even better with a stealth champion. Oh the gimmicks.

Dragonlord71372 votes

nope item 3285 + item 3087 + item 3124 + item 1306 + item 3078 + item 3153 It's hilarious. Also I should add the original creator https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l2TY_EnjFc

OperationDEEZ12 votes

Have you ever tried 100% crit shen? item 3087 item 3153 item 3031 item 3046 item 3078 item 3142 is fun.

XeroKimo1 votes

Throw back old days.... Attack speed/on-hit Shen Vayne Vi

item 3087 item 3153 item 3091 item 3046 item 3142 item 3172

Wait this is super modified........ Rip ionic spark and maldreds and maladys

junglerboy162 votes

just take him jungle and swap out Zephyr for item 3930 and your on-hit dreams shall be realized!

Avios12 votes

Nah, replace Witt's End. It is the only item that doesn't give movement speed. RIP Malady.

Need Gold 4 Tent1 votes

If you replace a bruiser shen's triforce with shiv you have an effective working build that is neither troll nor useless (by bruiser I mean tanky with 1 or 2 offense items). Shen's options are pretty wide anyway for offense, most of the AS items can work on him. Zeph if you went tabi and still want cc reduction, Triforce/Shiv work similarly though Triforce can be the sole offense item but Shiv needs to be paired with something AD such as BoRK or Triforce.

The catch is timing when you can afford to build it. If you are already falling behind, you cannot afford any damage because it will affect your main (damage soaking) role. But if you are even or maybe slightly ahead, with some careful play, you can tank to an extent without items (and thus be able to afford investing in damage). Or if you've already built some defense and are confident you are tanky enough for that stage of the game, go ahead and pick up that lightning sabre.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

I can finally find a place to actually try out Jungle Heimer WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Dragonlord71371 votes

if only Riot would add this "mode"

ArkenStorm1 votes

lightning shen? i might know this, but not by that name. enlighten me?

Dragonlord71371 votes

{quoted}

nope item 3285 + item 3087 + item 3124 + item 1306 + item 3078 + item 3153 It's hilarious. Also I should add the original creator https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l2TY_EnjFc

As I said earlier.

ArkenStorm1 votes

I didn't see that comment. but that looks insanely fun. thank you :D

Troll for Trump1 votes

You can play almost anything as support. just not shit like Nasus or whatnot.

I went support yorick and went out as 8/2/16.

Aspynn1 votes

Why not AP nasus support? Armor shred and an extremely strong slow is nothing to sneeze at. He's much better than kat support.

supes the lost1 votes

I'd hate to burst your bubble, but susan support is a thing, wither basically shuts enemies trading capabilities and soul fire helps in wave pushing and shreds armor, then you build full tank with relic shield so you can get some stacks during the laning phase and boom, susan support.

LICENSED HOOKER1 votes

but, wont he get poked a lot in lane. How do u even initiate fights lol i feel like after u slow someone they're sup and adc would try to burst your adc

supes the lost1 votes

Relic Shield plus his passive lifesteal helps him sustain through lane, he has decent poke from soul fire, his wither is basically exaust, and his ult does 3/4/5 %Health damage in an AoE. Only downside to nasus support is since you aren't getting too many stacks early on, you're not as powerful lategame as a normal nasus would be.

LICENSED HOOKER1 votes

ah, i love the lat game damage :p

Troll for Trump1 votes

yeah mon let us steal the ADCs cs.

:) kappa

Need Gold 4 Tent2 votes

if you time it right when your targon has stacks you'll be stealing close to 0 cs from the ADC, especially if you go after cannons which give +6. Besides, grab an early sweeper and you can stack on wards as well, which also encourages you to sweep actively.

Rito Ponytail1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy3Mibl4fXI

Honestly, it's such a good video for this topic...

The Loveless1 votes

Tribunal is gone. I'd like to know if people are actually punished for ruining games.

Dragonlord71371 votes

Now it goes off the same system as before the tribunal, whatever that was.

The Loveless1 votes

That means we have to trust Riot staff not to be lazy and actually sift through complaints and punish individuals.

LICENSED HOOKER1 votes

Why play AP fiora, Ad fiora is absolute brain dead broken

Dragonlord71371 votes

Since in low elo people don't press the tab button so they think your playing ad Fiora and buy armor then you parry one auto for ridiculous damage.

LICENSED HOOKER1 votes

But u can get a item 3072 or item 3077 and make the guy with item 3075 feel useless.

Dragonlord71371 votes

I meant that if you go ap then then you don't need those items and the enemy wasted their money on item 3075 or item 3143 . Yes I admit Ad has answers but we are talking off meta stuff.

LICENSED HOOKER1 votes

Alright ill comply, i just dont see why :p

Dragonlord71371 votes

I admit its probably not the best Idea but it can be fun when you get bored.

ArkenStorm1 votes

I don't even follow the pros and just do what i'm good at Aatrox Mordekaiser Veigar

JAGMAG1 votes

i think a big problem is there is no way to report trolls like that unless they feed super super hard because there's no report option called "obvious toll" just flaming feeding not talking

Taredom1 votes

There's a reason that there is the option to report "refusing to communicate with the team," communicating with the team starts in champ select.

Seekêr1 votes

Uhm... I get hating some picks that don't work as off-meta but i've seen many champs work as an off pick adc. Kog maw has always scaled better off of magic damage and has been in and out of the ADC position. Fizz is just as good as a bruiser as he is an AP assassin, Bruiser kassadin is definitely underrated even though ap kassadin sucks, and AP sion was more viable than ad sion even though his whole kit was built around going AD..

Maybe don't bitch at him and he will actually do decent, you complain and then put him on tilt right away; how does that help either of you?

Need Gold 4 Tent1 votes

I like jungle Vayne, liked it since before sated devourer when it was still largely considered troll. I have had situations where I call it first, pick my smite and say again for latecomers that I'm jungling. But unfortunately, metasheep do exist and I get the occasional Lee Sin locking in with his smite, telling me that he's not having a jungling ADC and suddenly the whole team puts me bot lane.

The irony of it is, if I had picked a "proper" jungler, I would've probably had 3 people telling the Lee off instead, not that it matters anyway if he already locked in, and filling is easy. It's just funny that because it's an offpick, suddenly people's attitude change rather noticeably.

YossarianSensei1 votes

I always give troll picks the benefit of the doubt until they start feeding or are useless. Who knows, maybe it works.

People always be hatin' Jungle Vayne until they get 4 shot by Sated

KaminoX1 votes
  1. "fuck the Meta" is what i say and it works for me idk about you guys people think adc MasterYi doesnt work well i call bs bc it does and i go AdcYasuo too never have i had problems. AND i hate when people in champ select try to tell ME who the hell i can pick out of my pool of champions you are not a Riot employee and if you were i wouldn't listen i don't even think a Riot player would be against it. saying melee cant go adc is like saying Blitzcrank cant go full AD which is btw fucking Fun as hell!. excuse my language.

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