how to change lulu

UdoIkOSc4u·Apr 6, 2015·1 votes·872 views

why we don't give her the gragas treatment her q deal less damage on minions and in this way you can balance her better for the support role

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S H A Y C 0Apr 6, 20154 votes

you no touchy da lulu!

TeemoJenkinsApr 6, 20154 votes

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TsundayApr 6, 20152 votes

Umm how would that balance her better for the support role? Basically it would just nerf her solo lane presence with nothing in return. If you're suggesting that it would be compensated with extra damage to champions on either her Q or her E then she becomes even more of a lane bully top. If you're saying you just want to nerf her Q it's like most people don't play her support anymore because you nerfed her damage there so you're pretty much asking her to become obsolete.

She outranges toplaners which is why she is a toplane bully, changing her waveclear won't do much to that (and she will still clear pretty well with Q nerfs to minions) and straight out nerfing her isn't going to be helpful when she's not strong in her designated role.

Cloud273Apr 6, 20152 votes

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Umm how would that balance her better for the support role? Basically it would just nerf her solo lane presence with nothing in return. If you're suggesting that it would be compensated with extra damage to champions on either her Q or her E then she becomes even more of a lane bully top. If you're saying you just want to nerf her Q it's like most people don't play her support anymore because you nerfed her damage there so you're pretty much asking her to become obsolete.

She outranges toplaners which is why she is a toplane bully, changing her waveclear won't do much to that (and she will still clear pretty well with Q nerfs to minions) and straight out nerfing her isn't going to be helpful when she's not strong in her designated role.

She shouldn't be forced to play support. Lulu top/mid is not cancer in any way shape or form (polymorphed or not).

TsundayApr 6, 20151 votes

Did you really downvote me for my post? She is my main toplaner/midlaner. I never said she should be forced to play support I never said she was cancer in other lanes. The OP made a post about how to balance her for the support role and I was explaining why balancing her for the support role would either A) push her out of top/mid lane (which I obviously thought was a bad thing) and that B) giving her extra damage to champions would make her even more of a lane bully.

Because let's face it she is a lane bully top. She is not cancer, but she bullies melee laners--at a cost. I basically said if they lowered her Q damage to minions it was unjustly nerfing her solo lane presence and that giving her more damage to champions would make her more of a lane bully which she doesn't need to be.

that was just stupid that I got downvoted for saying you shouldn't nerf her solo lane presence.

Sailor MintApr 6, 20151 votes

She bullies some melees, and not even the common ones. Tanks ignore her and casters are mainly skill matchups. Even after a fairly significant MP5 buff in S5, she still doesn't have the mana to flat out harass people out of lane with only Glitterlance. The Whimsy nerf means she doesn't just safely walk out from any jungle gank.

I really don't think a low damage / high utility champion being able to survive most matchups is that bad.

TsundayApr 6, 20151 votes

Any ranged toplaner should bully a melee toplaner because they get to freely damage the enemy toplaner when they go in to farm or waste their mama as they try to use abilities to farm. Denying them farm and getting harass off on them with a decent sized shield for the harass they take back makes her a lane bully. She might not win all ins but she bullies pretty well.

You shouldn't be harassing with only your glitterlance anyway. I only use my glitterlance to harass when I can hit them and get a last hit of CS with it as well. Sometimes I night break that rule if they are room or if I think I can turn that around to all in them next rotation or push them out of lane. Basically using your Glitterlance to harass a lot pushes your lane and makes you susceptible to ganks.

Lulu also still has relatively high base, enemies can't start with an MR item and forcing them to get early MR against you makes them easily focused by ADCs come mid game.

Not to mention toplane is a lane of tanks so like a lot of them are low damage champions.

Basically I said nerfong her damage to minions would push her out of to plane and if you're acting like she is struggling to plane then I don't see where the disagreements are in my argument.

Sailor MintApr 6, 20151 votes

Don't misunderstand me, I'm a Lulu main and I play her everywhere.

I'm saying she's not even a bully to the things that are being played. Irelia is the devil and I'm not walking that close to Riven without good reasons. Everything else is pretty much tanks that shrug your harass (unless they're dumb and let you kill them, but that's not unique to Lulu) and skill based match ups against other mid lane rejects. With Fizz getting changed, there's really not that many non-Zed melees mid lane.

I don't see Shyvana and Yasuo making a come back in soloQ anytime soon. :\

Curling VeigarApr 6, 20151 votes

or delete her from the game

Z StatisticApr 6, 20151 votes

Waveclear is very important on a support...

TsundayApr 6, 20151 votes

Naw don't you understand how botlane works? When ADC goes back to get BF your amazing clearing support helps you shove to turret and then since supports don't have waveclear you get a free turret. That's how it works, right? Right?

Sailor MintApr 6, 20151 votes

Lulu does the same thing no matter which lane she's in. She shoves lanes and turns her allies into killing machines.