I get That Silver Bolt has counterplay

doublelift fg··3 votes·697 views

If you reduce Vayne attack speed, she will has less procs. But didn't riot said that counteritemization =/= counterplay? What if i don't have those items considering that there are only item 3143 item 3110 that reduce AS? by 15% and by 15% meanwhile she has x4 higher attack speed.

So i have to take Nasus Malphite . But here again riot claimed that hard counter is unhealthy because if you don't have the right champion then you suffer for the rest of the game?

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MLDzXnRRR2 votes

The counterplay is to kill her, before she kills you. She is scary only if her team protects her - which is rare to be seen.

doublelift fg1 votes

kill a champion with stealth,tumble,high ms, decent range and a whole team following him

Mew Goes AD1 votes

And yet, you chose to complain about W in OP?

Any max build ADC can melt people. If you don't like the fact that Vayne can both do this and not get caught, perhaps you should focus more on the "not getting caught" portion of her kit and stop trying to nerf her damage.

doublelift fg1 votes

the problem is both combined, but how will nerf her mobility? it will kill the night hunter theme

YossarianSensei1 votes

Lmfao the counterplay is don't get shot 3 times

doublelift fg1 votes

wow, how? she has her passive and her Q

YossarianSensei1 votes

....Move out of the way?

doublelift fg1 votes

move out of the way against the night hunter

GloriousKaiser1 votes

AD Carry

Move out of the way

Thanotos Omega1 votes

Most of Vayne's damage comes from the same source as every other Marksmen, her Silver Bolts are just a safe guard against tanks, and she gives up an AS steroid for them making her less effective at the core ADC role of tower killing,

Lost In Time1 votes

More counterplay is forcing her to swap targets, hence why Phreak had said 2v1 her.

You wouldn't necessarily 1v1 Jax, Tryn, Yi or Fiora (or most duelist, if you aren't one yourself)

She's exceptionally single-target oriented.

Also, Silver Bolts hardly makes up for any amount of her DPS, especially vs squishies. It only ends up being ~18% of her overall damage, unless she's fighting a tankier target.

Which is kind of the point of Vayne and why she is excelling now.

doublelift fg1 votes

so, in a teamfight if vayne focus a tank the tank should step back and let the back line getting destroy?

Lost In Time1 votes

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so, in a teamfight if vayne focus a tank the tank should step back and let the back line getting destroy?

Are you implying a tank can't CC her hard enough for the enemy carry (AP or AD) to kill her?

However, my scenario was geared towards early/mid game anyhow.

By the time a tank has FH and Randuins, it'll be late game. And you might not think it, but it does hamper her DPS a lot, from the rhythm you're used to between autos to the actual damage you dish out.

doublelift fg1 votes

15% as slow and 15% as slow, how is this even a counter? some champions can't even buy frozen heart. 30% as slow just negage a item 3006

YossarianSensei2 votes

What do you do vs a normal ADC lmfao

'inb4 silvor boltz 3 op 5 me'

doublelift fg1 votes

i step right in front of him so i tank all his damage so he doesn't kill my team

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