Reminder than ARAM is not RANDOM

Saianna·Jul 21, 2015·23 votes·8,895 views

For the love of god. Just make it random from all champion pool.

Stop this goddamn abuse of "random" system.

I am tired of playing ARAM games that are unwinable, just because enemy team has best ARAM picks every game!

Yeah i know that cheap smurf'y argument that "tanks win poke late game" but IT IS NOT FUN TO PLAY AS PINATA EVERY GAME

F!!!!!!K

EDIT: Doesn't matter anymore. I like ARAM alot. Riot doesn't. So no matter what we say or do, it won't matter because ARAM doesn't bring money (unless they wanna sell winter/bilgewater skins, greedy f.....ks)

30 Comments

Dr PoroJul 21, 20152 votes

I agree! This would also making switching champs a lot easier.

I basically stopped playing ARAM because teams usually have 3-4 high poke champions. RIP Legend of the Poro King. ARAM was fun when the snowballs were OP, but now bruisers are once against the worst of the worst.

Markus KruberJul 23, 20152 votes

Also league of legends match making system forces an about 50/50 win loss ratio sooooo so much for "Random" thats why u see usually the same ppl in ur next que if someone que dodges

Fuck the system

SaiannaJul 23, 20151 votes

Back in customs our only way to balance player skills in teams were number of wins or/and division.

And it kinda worked.

I don't really mind crappy MMR. All maps use the same MMR and they have it rough too :)

Takeuchi 17Jul 21, 20151 votes

get yourself a better champ pool then may be? it may not be entirely random but its still a fun game mode, just gotta keep the mindset that its not all that serious

SaiannaJul 21, 20152 votes

get yourself a better champ pool then may be?

Cause I have 1 account with whooping 110 champions.

it may not be entirely random but its still a fun game mode

At the start, yes, but as you move forward trough road of MMR you start to notice weird things like... Hmm I swear i fought against nidalee 6th time in a row Or Oh look, next lux! What a coincidence! Or Ah danngit, I rolled tank again and everyone else got something cool!

just gotta keep the mindset that its not all that serious

Yes, that's true, but does that enable for cheating/abusing?

You might not believe me, but I started playing ARAM games about 2 weeks after someone came up with it on Custom. I even helped creating & spreaading ARAM "law". Riot decided to make it an official mode, but they screwed us on the second most important part with ARAM. Which is "All random".

Next thing, if you go into old forum sections and look around someone created thread asking for "full random mode" for ARAM about 10 minutes of implementing this mode

Takeuchi 17Jul 21, 20152 votes

I dont disagree with what you've said, but unfortunately the reality is that Riot has not and likely will not (at least for a long while) make those changes; of which I whole heartedly believe should be made.

Do I like facing Nidalee or Sona a million times in a row. No, most certainly not. Do I agree with "ARAM Accounts" absolutely not, it is, as you said, "cheating/abusing" the system.

I'm sure there are reasons why Riot cut out the "all random" part that was initially intended by the creators of that game mode, and hopefully one day they might reverse that mindset, but its no reason to get upset over it. Personally I'd be happy if they just upped the number of champions required for this game mode, they dont necessarily have to open up all champions for it.

SaiannaJul 21, 20151 votes

but unfortunately the reality is that Riot has not and likely will not (at least for a long while) make those changes

I've heard similar thing 2-3 years ago. I believe it's about time for Riot to act in that matter.

About champions required to this mode, this would be a solution, but very difficult, as they'd be forced to lock some of players from playing, thus I don't believe it would happen.

It really has to be full random mode, there's no way around it. It was designed to be full random.

Sigh... almost 3k of ARAM games played trough this whole time and i'm starting to feel Riot doesn't want me to play...

KaminoXJul 21, 20151 votes

if you dont like it buy all the champs so you dont end up with crappy champs i ALWAYS get a shitty champ in aram while the enemy team has yi akali and fuckin irelia

SaiannaJul 21, 20152 votes

The more champions player has the higher chance he'll roll crappy champion. So if i don't like it i should NOT buy more champions, but then I'd be yet another despicable smurf. But that will never happen as I have 110 champions. I'm using this account only, never created another.

Dr PoroJul 21, 20153 votes

Yi? Akali???? Irelia?????????????????????? Those are mediocre to shitty champs in ARAM.

Lux Xerath Varus Jayce Nidalee Fiddlesticks KogMaw is what you should be rerolling for.

Promiscuous PoroJul 21, 20151 votes

Ziggs Heimerdinger Sona and apparently Galio are some of the highest win rates in ARAM source: Lolking charts

JimmyNtheKudosJul 21, 20152 votes

I do insanely well with Yi and Irelia in ARAM. Though, I have to agree on Xerath, Varus and Nidalee they are beyond broken in ARAM.

FancyKiwiJul 21, 20151 votes

They have addressed this. True randomness does not seem random at all. You might get Sona 3 out of 5 ARAM game but it is completely random and working correctly you just got unlucky. Apple got complaints about Shuffle mode on their Ipods because the same songs kept playing so they added a system that makes it so that a song can't be played twice. Riot should add a similar system to ARAM. Something like you can't get the same champ for more than 3 times in 10 games or something.

SaiannaJul 21, 20151 votes

you know nothing, John Snow.

Right now, right this very moment ARAM system picks a random champion from your pool of champions Which means if you have just 10 champions from free rotation, then he'll pick only from those 10.

And that ends with "smurf" accounts made just for ARAM with the best ARAM champions to pick from.

What i want is make this system pick a champion from whole champion pool. From 140~champions.

JimmyNtheKudosJul 21, 20151 votes

I once got Vayne like 4 times in a row... Did not want to play Vayne for a month.

KaminoXJul 21, 20151 votes

lol good thing i only have 40-50 champs :P

SaiannaJul 21, 20151 votes

I really hope you mean your account, not some smurf 1,2,3,4,x,y,z'th account >.>

KaminoXJul 21, 20151 votes

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I really hope you mean your account, not some smurf 1,2,3,4,x,y,z'th account >.>

lol yeah my account im saving to buy all the champs im almost there too!

SaiannaJul 21, 20151 votes

Well.. i bought every champion i was interested in.. Some were reworked or nerfed (Poor elise, eve, twitch...)

Right now i'm just hopelessly accumulating IP for god knows what purpose..

KaminoXJul 22, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Well.. i bought every champion i was interested in.. Some were reworked or nerfed (Poor elise, eve, twitch...)

Right now i'm just hopelessly accumulating IP for god knows what purpose..

Runes,Rune pages,all that good stuff

SaiannaJul 22, 20151 votes

I have it already :(

Armor pen + tank Mpen + tank CDR AD tank

I have everything.. At least everything I need :)

I'll most likely try not to upgrade runes considering that they are dumb expensive. Maybe on some halloween sale/event.. then maybe

ahferroin7Jul 21, 20151 votes

The issue is they need to do a better jobs of factoring team comp into matchmaking (ie, do the matchmaking after champ select, not before). I know people who have separate accounts that they use just for aram that they only buy the good aram champs on.

SaiannaJul 21, 20151 votes

that is most likely impossible and shouldn't be made (imo)

It'd be super difficult to make.

Imo we shouldn't make ARAM any easier. Rerolls, trades, anonymous dodging, low penalties, low weights of reports for ARAM (not sure, but never seen troll being banned in ARAM)... Just TOO MUCH.

Just make it fair for everyone.

KarKzzJul 21, 20151 votes

Or just random with the full champion pool.

Bastard ChiefJul 21, 20151 votes

LOL, all the champions I bought for the most part is ranged, or has a ranged skill to dwindle people down like Heimerdinger, Ekko... Gnar... and so on.

zFlash96Jul 21, 20151 votes

Played a lot of aram, mostly having melee tanks/bruisers and AD carries cause they are my favorite roles (I even played Kog as AD whenever I got him) and I don't like playing poke champs that much. Stopped playing after they introduced that stupid snowball-spell-thing (I'd take Flash/Ghost-Ignite over it and people would yell at me).

As long as your team has at least 1 champion with sufficient ranged WAVECLEAR, ANY game is winnable. The only «instalosses» are games where your inhibitor is destroyed in 5 minutes cause your team has 5 melee champions with no waveclear, which is very rare (probably 1% of the games).

Also I was always happy when I got full-damage Poppy, Critplank, full-AP Malph/Cho or full-MR immortal WW/Mundo against full-AP comps (those are so easy to beat actually). This kind of silly stuff you never see in SR.

PS: Nidalee is incredibly overrated. Not even top-tier pick imo. Sona/Jayce/Xerath/Ziggs are a lot more annoying cause their damage is more consistent and harder to avoid. VARUS is the true aram cancer (poke+CC+dps+push).

SaiannaJul 21, 20151 votes

Imo there are bit more cases of insta loses like:

a) having super, super late game champions, who just can't do anything early/mid game. They can't even farm due to poke of enemy team

b) enemy team has from medium to high poke, while your team just cannot get together and play as a team causing to losing no matter how easy victory should be.

c) facing poke + sustain team. No matter how good you are, if you cannot ace them, then it's pointless.

And i have to say, I very often get the b & c examples.

About champs, I just gave Nid as example :) I know she isn't something hurr durr uber awesome, but we all know how her spears can hurt ;)

ElJanitorFrankJul 21, 20151 votes

I think Alistar is about 30% of my ARAM games. I wish I were exaggerating that, too.

SaiannaJul 22, 20151 votes

I wonder if bump works~~~~

PokepaApr 6, 20161 votes

I agree that ARAM is now broken, it used to be just random fun, but good faith is no more in that mode, people create smurf accounts with only god tier ARAM champions, premades abuse the switch-reroll system, etc... so Riot should take care of this and fix this mode in some ways.

Here is a thought, maybe they could balance the teams with some simple fixes to the matchmaking, going to write an example:

Divide the champions into 4 categories or tiers: A: God ARAM tier (Fiddlesticks) B: Fairly good C: Fairly bad D: Very Poor (Warwick)

Then you can balance the teams based on the average level of the team, so, for example, a team with two A´s, one B and one C cannot be paired with a team with only C´s and D´s. Since all the 10 champions are selected at the same time it would be real simple for them fixing the matchmaking that way.(They could limit the rerolls to do it even more fair)

Of course this is only a thought, and I am sure Riot will not do anything because, as said above, they only care about competitive play and competitive balance. We lost Dominion, we lost soloQ, and ARAM is less and less fun every day, so I do not expect it to be fixed, I am only stating that it will be very easy to do it, if they want.