Oh God...........
I........UUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH
We can't make those mistakes against the likes of Long Zhu or SKT.......if Lyon wasn't from an emerging region, this game would have been over at 25 minutes.
I am a Cloud 9 fan, and a pretty big one at that. But I will be first to admit that we should have lost that game. We had no right to winning that game.
BigBellBrute3 votesIn most any sport, even championship teams have a game where they're not at their best. The championships are won on the basis of gritting those out. C-9 did what they had to do. Game one was no test. That was easy. This one tested their resolve. They won it. And it's a great example of why you never ever, vote to forfeit.
Truly Prideful1 votesI thought that game was fun to watch, but it stressed me out a little bit. Once they got the 3 inhibs up I had a feeling they were going to pull it off.
ChompyWulf1 votesLucky Impact had Cho. If he was on pretty much any other champ after getting shit on and shut down he never would have been relevant and C9 wouldn't have come back. That was just shameful on all levels, that C9 was able to come back, that Lyon let Cho through, and that Riot let a champ so busted into the World's patch as is.
Electro5221 votesI don't think it was only Cho that was a tipping point in this game. Impact was basically nothing more than a meat shield. He got.....what? 3 or 4 ults off onto tanks only? Maokai absorbed just as much damage as he did.
There is no single thing you can point to in that game, and say "That's why they lost." There are just far too many very small things that just added up over time.
ChompyWulf1 votesIt's not just a matter of how many times he ulted someone, it's how the champ can still scale up to be a massive and effective tank late game despite being whipped all early and mid. He still had massive HP, stacks and stacks from R which never drop off or reduce on death now, a long range knockup to harass and a close range silence to use protecting carries. It's just simply cancerous. There was a little more to the win. Contractz on Sej making a similar comeback though not as drastic. Smoothie with clutch shields and heals when Lyon nearly had the two tanks burned down. Basically, C9 highlighting how awfully broken the meta is that they never really outplayed to make a comeback, they used a broken tank and Ardent meta.
BigBellBrute2 votesLucky Impact had Cho. If he was on pretty much any other champ after getting shit on and shut down he never would have been relevant and C9 wouldn't have come back. That was just shameful on all levels, that C9 was able to come back, that Lyon let Cho through, and that Riot let a champ so busted into the World's patch as is.
Uh Lyon didn't have that much luck with Cho the next game. So it wasn't just Cho. Moreover, Sneaky came up clutch in a couple of fights. Jensen, despite not playing his best game came up clutch in a couple as well.
ChompyWulf1 votesIt was 50% Cho, 35% Sej, 10% Ardent, and 5% Jensen. Sneaky was completely forgettable, literally. I can't remember what ADC he was even using. I didn't see game 3, quit watching because game 2 was a highlight show of the imbalance of one champ, tank items, and a support item totally invalidating anything that happened before the 30 minute mark. It's frankly disgusting how that game went.
Good for C9 to use what is in the game, but that shows how garbage the balance is now.
It was 50% Cho, 35% Sej, 10% Ardent, and 5% Jensen. Sneaky was completely forgettable, literally. I can't remember what ADC he was even using. I didn't see game 3, quit watching because game 2 was a highlight show of the imbalance of one champ, tank items, and a support item totally invalidating anything that happened before the 30 minute mark. It's frankly disgusting how that game went.
Good for C9 to use what is in the game, but that shows how garbage the balance is now.
Yes Cho'Gath can stack up his Feast (which has an 80s CD by the way) to a high amount without fear of them falling off but he has to get into melee range to use it, which isn't always an option depending on the team comps. Also, the ranged knock-up is very telegraphed so players paying enough attention can avoid it given enough room to do so. Yes Cho can be powerful as a tank (so can all tanks really) but he relies on people being out of position, landing his knock-up and/or following up on other forms of CC to get close to the enemy team, hence why Righteous Glory is a key item on him and other non-gap closer tanks.
P.S. Cho'Gath has always been like this even before the rework to his Vorpal Spikes and Feast. Those changes aside he's still the same old Cho'Gath so just get over it.
BigBellBrute2 votesIt was 50% Cho, 35% Sej, 10% Ardent, and 5% Jensen. Sneaky was completely forgettable, literally. I can't remember what ADC he was even using. I didn't see game 3, quit watching because game 2 was a highlight show of the imbalance of one champ, tank items, and a support item totally invalidating anything that happened before the 30 minute mark. It's frankly disgusting how that game went.
Good for C9 to use what is in the game, but that shows how garbage the balance is now.
Again, Lyon had cho the next game. They could do nothing with it.
BOOOOOM!!! What was that? Your argument's bubble bursting.
Sneaky was playing Xayah, and he was the one that did all the little things you and most other solo q players take no notice of to keep them in that game.
ChompyWulf1 votesI went and watched. Clearly the games were nothing alike as C9s bot lane got a big lead and they steamrolled a fast win to avoid the sudden switch of Cho hitting a massive power spike and carrying game.
Sneaky literally did nothing but stay behind two meatwalls and auto onto anything that came in range. Without the meatwalls he was forced to run. It was forgettable.
BigBellBrute1 votesI went and watched. Clearly the games were nothing alike as C9s bot lane got a big lead and they steamrolled a fast win to avoid the sudden switch of Cho hitting a massive power spike and carrying game.
Sneaky literally did nothing but stay behind two meatwalls and auto onto anything that came in range. Without the meatwalls he was forced to run. It was forgettable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAlTOfl9F2w
Sour grapes. Excuses.
xJLx MCHammer1 votesLucky Impact had Cho. If he was on pretty much any other champ after getting shit on and shut down he never would have been relevant and C9 wouldn't have come back. That was just shameful on all levels, that C9 was able to come back, that Lyon let Cho through, and that Riot let a champ so busted into the World's patch as is.
Most other champions would have gotten the first blood :)
GeminiRune1 votesLyon took more fights than they really should have frankly. It's like they could only win by scrapping which was a glaring weakness in their WE matches. I don't expect C9 to let an early game like that happen again.
Monkey With Guns1 votesIDK about you guys but that game was dope, and i see your point of "emerging" regions not being able to finish games strong, but that really shows the experience C9 has with international play. Clenched I was, but C9 showed they are a dominant team from a dominant region and that other regions are going to have to step op their standard of play to compete at worlds.
III BAKURYU III 1 votesMaybe so but at the end of the day, who cares. C9 won and any team will take a W over L. I personally love NA teams that can go the distance against good teams, IWC or LCK, over the ones that get stomped pre 20 mins or gets ahead and stomps the enemy team. C9 was down for most of the game and still won > C9 wins or loses pre 20.
Linna Excel1 votesYeah, they won't be able to make those mistakes again, but on the flip side C9 was still able to pull a win out of their butts.
Darksun Dragoon1 votesIt's exactly how Samsung beat KT Rolster to go to worlds.
Got stomped early, pushed back, lost inhibitors. But they held the line where it mattered: the nexus. They held on long enough to scale up, to complete items, where gold leads didn't matter, and then won through their teamfighting and shotcalling.
Was it clean? No, but it's just as much a showing of their caliber of team.
ultraraza1 votesi honestly really enjoy watching lyon gaming play, if only they went against another team i would have rooted for them.
Alamo Jack1 votesNo team has a right to winning anything. C9 played poor early, then came back and won after team fighting broke out. There are different phases to the game, and C9 showed they were better post laning phase, despite the significant lead that Lyon took early. But if Lyon deserved to win, then they would have finished it and won.
This likely wouldn't happen against a higher tier team though.
