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NA Fans, I'm Embarassed

msk51··333 votes·15,779 views

How dare you boo SSG in the quarterfinals. Honestly, I'm embarrassed to be in NA right now. Dont get me wrong, I am a passionate TSM fan, I watched every TSM game this spring and summer split. I also like c9 as a team, but really???? I say again, how dare you guys have the guts to boo SSG. I apologize to SSG and everyone in Korea, that was not classy, not cool, and not necessary. No respect.

Even Hai thinks it's disrespectful and impolite. "Regardless of wherever I played, Korea, Europe, etc we always got cheered on. It's just the polite thing to do." - Hai

I'm disgusted embarrassed and so disappointed that the region I live in would go and boo another team for performing better than us. I hope it never happens again.

The video of the booing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwq4F84cmvY

Edit - Even the casters. "I do hope we get some cheers for SSG, good play is to always be respected."

Edit 2 - I think there is a misunderstanding. I am in no way saying we have to cheer for SSG in the sense that we want them to win or we even like them. What I am saying is that it is respectful for one to not put down all the hard work and effort they put into worlds. They beat everyone in their group fair and square, and by being the best. Acknowledge the fact and applaud them because hey, they put in their all for this tournament and it worked out for them. I appreciate you putting in the time and effort so that (sure its so they can win) I can enjoy a good game.

Edit 3 - Even Impact. "Samsung strong today I didn't play good today sorry We played bad but fans boo Samsung I'm Korean too and hope fans can respect them"

Edit 4 - CoreJJ, "I do have good memories of playing at NA LCS, it would be a lot of help it the NA fans could support me."

Edit 5 (Last Edit I swear... xD) - I want to apologize to everyone, some of my replies to you guys were rude and nonconstructive to say the least. I understand that other people have different views and honestly, you guys brought up some great points that I didn't think about. I still think booing SSG was wrong, but I see the validity in the opposing sides view. We'll have to agree to disagree. :) Again, I'm sorry for my hot-headed replies and thank you so much for being such a great community. Honestly, this is like a family to me and even though we disagree and sometimes fight, I still enjoyed all of our little "talks" and hope to have more on a friendlier level. :) Thanks again everyone who commented.

501 Comments

KazaLyn Shao42 votes

We're embarrassed too, watching C9 play.

msk5115 votes

Lol, that's uhh, that's another post for another time. XD

TurquoiseYoshi32 votes

I have seen worse, like an NFL player who got booed while getting carted off for an injury.

msk5161 votes

There is absolutely worse, but just because there is worse doesn't mean we should do bad.

SlntReaper10 votes

I have seen someone get booed for kneeling... wait a second...

2Charmnot2Charm18 votes

The crowed cheered for the players and then boo once they finished introducing the ssg team.

Really don't see why this is causing such a shit storm when this is normal in all other sports. Just because someone slapped the letter E in front of e-sports doesn't mean people will drop traditional sports habits. Go look at any other region besides NA and you will find booing there too lol.

nekochan12 votes

yeah but no. In any Pro LoL event in history, has any NA team been boo'd to that extent? its just plain rude. These aren't some good natured jests to a rival team, this is just dumb, unsportsmanlike behavior. that simple

2Charmnot2Charm7 votes

[{quoted}](name=The WiIdcard,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=uRy9svzd,comment-id=00100000,timestamp=2016-10-14T03:21:57.946+0000)

yeah but no. In any Pro LoL event in history, has any NA team been boo'd to that extent?

It doesn't matter what the extent is booing is booing don't try to pretend EU didn't do this shit to NA just cause a few of the crowd did it. Besides if the crowd really wanted to be unsportsmanlike they could have done a lot worse than a simple boo.

MonkeyMadness5 votes

Don't waste your energy, brah. This is a game full of full blown neckbeards that have never heard of a real sport before, so they don't understand the atmosphere surround such intense competition.

On a side note, I really would like to see what some of these kids have to say about the standard "banter" between Red Sox and Yankees fans. Compared to that shit, booing is pretty damn respectful, lol.

Nautoday2 votes

I agree. When I watched the game at home on my TV, you better bet I boo'd SSG when they were getting on stage. I played sports my whole life, it's what you do. Just like if you are winning the game with only a minute or two to spare, the stands will sing "Na, na, na, na. Na, na, na, na. Hey, hey, hey. Goodbye" or "START THE BUS. START THE BUS" as everyone shakes their keys. That's what competition is.

msk511 votes

There's a difference between chanting (which I take part in when I play sports) and banter (which I also take part in) that everyone knows is in good fun. It's trash talk. I'm fine and actually appreciate good trash talk. xD

But what I don't get is a crowd booing SSG JUST because they knocked out TSM. Basically we booed a team for playing well. That's what I don't like.

Nautoday1 votes

Under no circumstance do I think the booing was BECAUSE they knocked out TSM.

msk511 votes

Interesting, that was my assumed reaction. And just general saltiness of NA. Why do you think they boo'd SSG?

Nautoday1 votes

I assume they boo'd because they are the opposing team. I think if C9 was going against anyone else yesterday they would have boo'd them too. Like I said, I boo'd at my TV when SSG came out just because they were going against my favorite team. I knew they were gonna win 3-0 and I respected the crap out of them after group stages, but that doesn't mean I can't boo.

msk511 votes

Gotcha, I see your points. I guess TO ME (emphasis on to me, i don't get why people think everyone has to think the same way) I see it as disrespectful to boo a team that worked so hard and is playing their minds out. It'd be like someone making a diving catch in baseball and being boo'd. A good play is a good play. (There might be places where they do that, but in every baseball game I went to they always cheered for a good play.)

Nautoday3 votes

Well, usually booing is during introductions and bad calls/missed calls in sports. It's not like the fans continually booed SSG during the game. It's a way to get into their heads.

I played basketball for 10 years growing up, and my coaches always said home court is at least a 10 point advantage. This advantage is due to being familiarized with the court better and the crowd.

Secret Baller2 votes

This is how I felt. Lifelong Cards fan. We've got good fans too that treat most of the competition well, but even St. Louis fans heckle and boo when we play teams like the Reds and Cubs. Pretty normal thing in most competitive sports. Nerds are soft and naive though. They cry about their feelings the first chance they get.

Unlucky God6 votes

TSM got boo'd in France

Revenge of Teeto2 votes

My sentiment exactly. Who. Cares. Honestly it does not surprise me a California based company, heavily instilled with progressive restrictive policy on chat and actions would have a topic like this upvoted so high.. Would its 'player base' get upset over something so trivial as the freedom to boo(just like you can be "disappointed") or cheer an opposing team. I have never, ever, in my life, whether it be world cup soccer, football, baseball, basketball, or any other competitive event seen a "visiting" team be cheered after beating the "home" team.

NineTailedMystic17 votes

No comment on their actions, but I can understand why, as I'm personally sick of Korea winning.

msk5113 votes

Haha, I hear you man. (TSM WHY?!?!?!) But again, I think we should spend time building our teams up rather than tearing the other teams down.

NineTailedMystic12 votes

I swear if we get another set of SKT skins...

The Deckowner9 votes

Brasil embarassed south america by boo'ing every team that beats brasil in the Olympic. Chicago embarassed north america by boo'ing korean team that beats TSM and C9 n the WCS.

Alamo Jack9 votes

I understand it seems rude, but you know, so what? This is what competition breeds. The fans of NA are just showing their loyalty to NA in opposition to another region beating them. It comes natural with competition, and what I think is rude, is condemning an entire fan base for showing their support to NA after getting crushed by a dominant performance by a different region.

If I was a baseball player, or football player, or even an esports player. I'd like my fans to make their support clear even in defeat. That would feel really good after losing a big moment like that. When the other team scores a touchdown on your field and the crowd boos them, it's invigorating knowing that the whole stadium is on your side. It would piss me off if the crowd cheered the other team, unless there was some grand historical record being beat.

It's rude sure, but so what? It doesn't mean you don't acknowledge that they played really well. It's just an impulse and I think people oughta grow a spine and get over it. At the end of the day everyone knows that SSG won and that they were the better team and that they played really well to get there. I sincerely doubt that anyone on SSG let it ruin their pride. They got the win.

msk5113 votes

I see what you mean. I just feel like 1) NA is one of the only regions that does this 2) We aren't cheering them on or hoping they win, but we are recognizing that they worked hard and played well to get here. It's just a show of respect.

Alamo Jack2 votes

I see what you mean. You're probably right that NA is one of they only cultures that does this, but I wouldn't know what other regions are like. I guess it's just one of those cultural things that differentiate us from other regions. American pride for instance is a huge cultural factor that probably explains a lot. Sometimes it's good sometimes it's bad. I'm guilty of having a lot of national pride myself, so I guess I'm biased when I say I don't think it's a bad thing.

Draqone21 votes

There is a HUGE difference between being proud of your own nation and being disrespectful to others. Not to even mention, booing is not a cultural difference, it's simply bad manners.

Chad Te Employee7 votes

While I'm not gonna disagree with you, IT IS natural for an american to boo someone on their turf. Watch any professional sport, you won't feel sorry anymore

msk5125 votes

True, and I feel like that's why a lot of people look at Americans as disrespectful and dirty (dirty for other reasons. China doesn't understand why we don't wash after using the bathroom). How awesome would it be for people who don't play video games to know that Esports is the most respectful sport.

Zero Ichimonji29 votes

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China doesn't understand why we don't wash after using the bathroom).

Umm...what?

Leon Etoile25 votes

He obviously meant "I don't wash"

FableBlaze3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chad Te Employee,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=uRy9svzd,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2016-10-14T01:31:48.585+0000)

IT IS natural for an american to boo someone on their turf

You might aswell had said that it is antural for an american to be a disrespectful jerk. I have met too many americans to agree with you on this one.

SuperLuigiLXIV10 votes

He's not wrong though.

In America, when you go to most sporting events, you cheer for your team and boo the other team.

It's just that in most sporting events, the fans are split more or less evenly, so both teams get love and hate.

So an ingrained societal norm for us came out at a time in which there was no big cheering section for the other guys.

On the one hand, I don't disagree with the OP. It was rude. But it was ONLY rude because the crowd was overwhelmingly American. Which is something they certainly should have realized, but they did not. :/

FableBlaze3 votes

I guess it's just odd for me, because the in EU it is (most of the time) different. A team being the other team is not enough usually. Booing happens in case of dirty play, mistakes from the ref, shity behavior etc. In the context of league something like saying "gg ez" in the end of the match interview would be boo worthy most likely.

(But before i get all up on my high horse, we have lovely football (soccer) hooligans, which can easily result in small riots after the games. Just to balance things out :D )

SuperLuigiLXIV2 votes

Yes, generally we would boo the real-world equivalent of "ggez" ourselves as well. the players are expected to show good sportsmanship. The fans are expected to support their team. That's just always been how it is.

We've had rioting before at certain sports events. Thaaaat stuff can get terrifying >_<

RightClickYou6 votes

2 4 6 8 MILLENIALS ONLY LEARNED TO FLAME AND HATE

JESUSSAYSNO6 votes

Everyone is sick and tired of Korea winning every major tournament. Nobody wants SSG or SKT to win outside of their fans. There hasnt been one single worlds since league dropped in Korea that hasnt been Korean dominated.

There's no contest between Korea and the rest of the world, and the Korean style of play is incredibly effective, but so much more boring to watch. Instead of a hard fought victory, its all about micro advantages. A korean win can be about 4 kills up for the victor, but there's some 300+ cs difference between the two teams, and almost all objectives given to the winning team. It's not fun to watch.

msk514 votes

So that's why they booed? I see what you mean, Korea is pretty dominant and it can get frustrating, but I don't see any other region booing them. We should still show them respect. In fact we should show them more respect after the beating they gave us. XD

JESUSSAYSNO4 votes

Absolutely. I don't enjoy watching most games with high end Korean teams. I go in thinking 'oh boy, this'll be another korean style stomp', and then proceed to watch a 20-50 minute game where typically the Korean team systematically denies their opponent until their nexus drops. It's outright not enjoyable to watch. I don't appreciate their style of play and I dont want to see them win.

I can't say I'd boo them, but god damn, it's so frustrating from a watcher's perspective to see this style of play winning every time. I'd say it's more league's fault than it is any given team or region. The systems in place do not allow for comebacks if a team plays optimally, so in the highest tier of the game, you cannot take risks or you risk throwing the entire game. It's boring to watch. I respect their wins, but i dont want to watch them play. I'd rather see dramatic games.

P0IS0N IVY8 votes

Then the other regions need to get better. It doesn't even matter if Korea is the best or not. It's about showing some respect.

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Yordle Xayah6 votes

I'm glad that the overall reaction everywhere seems to be of disapproval about what happened today. I don't think we'll be seeing more of that down the road.

Casters, Monte, Hai, Reddit, Crumbz, here... glad everyone caught up super fast and the situation seems to be heading the right direction.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Unstoppable Monk5 votes

Embarrassed? Being the Villain is awesome for SSG since they are very likely to play in the finals.

Kingdom Corn5 votes

This reminds me of Fnatic vs Virtus Pro in csgo... Taz had to go on stage and tell the fans to be respectful it was actually embarrassing.

msk512 votes

OH WOW!!! Someone had to go on the stage??? THAT is indeed embarrassing. xD

Kingdom Corn7 votes
RainbowIcee3 votes

this is normal in a sports match tbh. The fans don't really understand the athletes, they think athletes just want to win. An athlete wants to be a great athlete he wants the world to know they're competing against another strong athlete and there is no bigger or magical journey for them that to be at moment when they are facing off a great challenge and overcome it. It's sad when they don't make it but to have a chance to go at it it's something amazing. To feel that moment, most fans will never understand that because they only think that victory is what matters and at times sadly they don't care how that victory is gained. They want someone to represent what they aren't capable of achieving themselves.

Fransiee4 votes

Well they did applaud. Samsung team almost forgetting to bow lol.

Wulfy1 votes

{quoted}

How dare you boo SSG in the quarterfinals. Honestly, I&#039;m embarrassed to be in NA right now. Dont get me wrong, I am a passionate TSM fan, I watched every TSM game this spring and summer split. I also like c9 as a team, but really???? I say again, how dare you guys have the guts to boo SSG. I apologize to SSG and everyone in Korea, that was not classy, not cool, and not necessary. No respect.

Even Hai thinks it's disrespectful and impolite. "Regardless of wherever I played, Korea, Europe, etc we always got cheered on. It's just the polite thing to do." - Hai

I&#039;m disgusted embarrassed and so disappointed that the region I live in would go and boo another team for performing better than us. I hope it never happens again.

The video of the booing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwq4F84cmvY

Edit - Even the casters. "I do hope we get some cheers for SSG, good play is to always be respected."

In a way, I don't think people boo SSG as much as the natural frustration that, once again, NA is simply not a contender.

We had some GREAT talent this year, but it doesn't end up being enough. The frustration is real, and I have felt it for years. But as the scene gets bigger, more people are going to feel it, and it's going to have some outbursts that our region is viewed as a group.

It doesn't matter that TSM did REALLY well and then imploded one game and got outplayed in another. It doesn't matter that C9 played like poop and got out of groups, they were stomped and everyone predicted they would. It doesn't matter that ANX broke the IWC standard of being an easy team, CLG lost to "no names" and our region is the joke.

HELL, it doesn't matter that #1 Korea (ROX) lost to ANX, that wasn't CLG doing the upset and showing NA is something great.

It just further reinforces the idea that NA has never been, nor will ever apparently be, good enough to be more than a joke.

Season 1, Europe won. Season 2, everyone thought that Moscow 5 was the best and NA teams just needed to do good and try to beat them, and what happened? Asia happened. They dominated everything and Taipei took the crown.

Since then, Korea has demolished every season and so far outclassed every region, and yet, it is NA that has the inferiority complex when the game originates from and American company. How is it that we had the game the longest and never succeeded internationally? Yeah, we took the won Intel Masters in Katowice, but we have historically been viewed as the worst region, period.

So, sure, I can have the class to appreciate great plays. I will probably watch Worlds, but unlike you, I'm not a TSM fan (kinda), I'm a DL fan. I followed him on CLG and to your team. I'm also a Dyrus, Hai, Imp, and aphromoo fan. But guess what? They're out (two retired), so I don't really care. I'm just not behind the teams. I am, however, completely able to understand the frustration of the fans who are. Who root for a team that never wins that always gets overshadowed, and it's frustration will manifest in bitterness and angry hisses. With no NA teams left, I think the crowds will mellow and cheer for everything again. But at the VERY least, I can understand it.

I will say anyone expecting C9 win was kinda crazy. But, I have to say, booing the "villain" isn't the worst thing I've seen. A tad shameful and sad, but not the worst thing I've seen.

msk517 votes

True, but again we shouldn't do bad just because it's the worst.

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