Why I believe both NA and EU are worse this year (a discusion on the future of 2016)

PhantomGG·Apr 28, 2016·2 votes·583 views

Hello my name is PhanatosG2, I like to write wrong pointless ramblings.

For todays Ramble, I will say, Both EU and NA are worse than ever, and that korea and china will completely dominate over us this year.

So to sum it up

Claim- NA and Eu are less than what they were in 2015 Result- China and Korea are the strongest regions

Proof?

Last year we saw some very dominate performances from a large group of teams in both NA and EU. Last year in EU we had Origen who completely crushed the Challenger scene, and than for a long period of time destroyed the EU scene. Than finnally we had Fnatic who cleanly swept the entire region in a 18 n 0 win streek and even took on the second best team and gave a very convincing win over them. The top 3 teams in EU could not be challenged by the lower 7, occasionally a upset would happen but fact was, top 3 in eu, were the unchallenged kings.

Moving onto NA, we had teams like TSM, who won a international event, very strongly for that matter, we had CLG were itching to prove they could win to. And while cloud nine did fall off for a short period of time, they proved they were a team hungry for blood. We also had very impressive teams like team impulse untill the whole fiasco happened, and team liquid with the very impressive Piglet.

Games this year were very clean, very dominate, and it was clear the top 3 teams in each region had a very clear read on the meta, and abused it.

While TSM did fall apart towards the end of the year, and while Cloud 9 unfortunately could not come up with a back up strat for worlds. EU continued to impress and went all the way to semis, some even beliving that fnatic could of possibly beaten Koo tigers if they prepped better.

However, something disappointing me with both NA and EU

In NA

TSM in my opinion still not a top tier team yet, they still have a lot of bad problems they have to clean up, yet despite this they were able to beat our number one team Immortals. However...this leads to a secondary concern

Imortals had clear, and blatently obvious flaws this entire season, flaws that if they were to face korean teams, the koreans would of saw it, they would have eaten them, and spit them out like nothing. The immortals play style would of beem made fun of and highly picked on in korea and china. Yet NA was being Demolished by it as a whole region untill play offs.

That tells me, our legit best players, were being DESTROYED by legit bad strategies. They were incapable of studying it, they were incapable of fighting what should have not worked. The fact Immortals went so strong this split, tells me NA is a flat out joke right now.

In Eu We do not have a single team excluding from G2 that can play a legit clean game. Fact is Origen made it to finals off the better teams suddenly deciding to under prep. Origen got into finals and they played terribly. The game ended off Xpeke making a quite laughable rookie mistake by using Zhonyas far to early. This wasn't even half the flaws origen made in this game by the way.

the TLDR

Last year we had a huge list of teams that played good solid clean league of legends, they knew how to end, they played with an oppressive play style, and they knew how to get leads and work with them. This year, excluding CLG and G2, I feel no team can call themselves ready to play in suitable worlds performance levels.

Conclusion

West is gonna get bodied by China and Korea

Maybe G2 will do decently.

15 Comments

Ale non è maleApr 28, 20162 votes

Last year we saw some very dominate performances from a large group of teams in both NA and EU

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The top 3 teams in EU could not be challenged by the lower 7, occasionally a upset would happen but fact was, top 3 in eu, were the unchallenged kings.

It is clear you are a NA guy that doesn't followed much EU

Last season UoL before Kikis left, Gambit before Forg1ven got banned and ROCCAT after they added Yamato as coach and Steve and MrRallez in lineup could challenge all teams except Fnatic in summer (too bad it happened that UoL and Gambit got hit super hard before playoffs by those two accidentsand thus UoL was not competitive with freaking H0R0 and Gambit was forced to relegations)

And NA sucked super hard last season, the entire S5 and especially Spring was an absolute joke, there is no absolute way NA can be considered worse now, at most you can say they lagged too far behind after last season summer and they have not closed the gap yet, but please, just check who played for LCS teams in Spring and Summer split in S5, you have guys that right now wouldn't even play in NA CS that is notoriously bad

PhantomGGApr 28, 20161 votes

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It is clear you are a NA guy that doesn't followed much EU

Last season UoL before Kikis left, Gambit before Forg1ven got banned and ROCCAT after they added Yamato as coach and Steve and MrRallez in lineup could challenge all teams except Fnatic in summer (too bad it happened that UoL and Gambit got hit super hard before playoffs by those two accidentsand thus UoL was not competitive with freaking H0R0 and Gambit was forced to relegations)

And NA sucked super hard last season, the entire S5 and especially Spring was an absolute joke, there is no absolute way NA can be considered worse now, at most you can say they lagged too far behind after last season summer and they have not closed the gap yet, but please, just check who played for LCS teams in Spring and Summer split in S5, you have guys that right now wouldn't even play in NA CS that is notoriously bad

I actually watch more EU than NA, and must say the top 6 teams excluding G2 were very dissapointing in the final bits

Ale non è maleApr 28, 20161 votes

I partially disagree. FNC looked kinda good except for Klaj, that to be honest shouldn't have been there in first place because he was an emergency callup in the middle of the season and he wasn't clearly ready and for the little experience and development he has had gave some honest performances even though was a liability I mean, he played for Enigma Esports in Spring OQ and even if you could recognize that he was a young player with margins of improvement he was completely unimpressive... and after that he got suddenly catapulted in the middle of the season to play for Fnatic after they kicked Noxiak out of the team Origen even though clearly inferior to G2 was on the uprise and they are finally starting to mesh with poE even if they occasionally resort to Xpeke Vit, H2k and UoL underperformed, that's right, but overall what happened has not been much different from what has happened historically in EU

Generally Eu in Spring Split has always been shaky, and tbh if you look at the teams that played in last season Spring playoffs, they were really shaky too. Fnatic was shaky, UoL was a complete hit or miss depending on game (but when they hit, they hit so hard to barely lose to Fnatic that then at MSI took SKT to 5 games), H2K was a team good teamplay with limited ceiling thaks to loulex, SK was imploding, Gambit was pretty mediocre except for the good top-jungle connection and CW had good teamplay but super duper weak individual talent barring for Freeze

YCitizenSnipsYApr 30, 20161 votes

I mean in spring last year NA won IEM. And yes NA can certainly be considered worse this year. CLG is the number one team in NA for a second time with an even worse roster.

Ale non è maleApr 30, 20161 votes

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I mean in spring last year NA won IEM. And yes NA can certainly be considered worse this year. CLG is the number one team in NA for a second time with an even worse roster.

NOPE. NA winning the IEM was a complete fluke because it was the only region to send their #1 team at the moment of the tournament (between the lock-in date and the tournament the power rankings changed in all the major regions so the teams that were first in lock-in date weren't the best in their region anymore), and the strongest team in the torunament TSM faced was Spring Flash Wolves (which was far inferior to Worlds Flash Wolves), since Tigers which was the strongest team got beaten by WE, that was totally an hit or miss team depending on the day, WE that TSM faced twice on their bad days in the tournament

At MSi when everyone send their number 1 team it became clear that NA was really bad back in Season 5

Colombo16Apr 28, 20161 votes

I kept hearing that last year, and yet, China just got rekt. Also, let's get back to IEM of this year, where europe's 4th PLACED TEAM just beat CLG, RNG and QG (it was FNC btw). SO basically, one of EU's weaker teams this year basically trashed NA's top team and China's top 2 teams. That was 2 months ago maybe(not really sure)? Point being, yes Korea is above everyone, but to put China in that bracket is laughable. I would put the LMS above China this year (AHQ and FW really impressed me) and if you consider KR to be S tier, then in A tier you have LMS and EU, B tier you have china, C tier you have NA and after that it's just the IWC team.

Well HungarianApr 28, 20161 votes

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Hello my name is PhanatosG2, I like to write wrong pointless ramblings.

For todays Ramble, I will say, Both EU and NA are worse than ever, and that korea and china will completely dominate over us this year.

Hate to break it to you, but this happens every year.

TurquoiseYoshiApr 28, 20161 votes

China isn't very good. As a region, they were boosted by EDG in S5, and even EDG sucked terribly at Worlds. To give some clarity, you know how you said that the IMT playstyle would be laughed at by China? Most Chinese teams rely on that playstyle to win any game, except the Chinese can't close the games as well. They are possibly the worst shot-calling region in the world, and that includes Wild Card regions. They are talented, but incredibly uncoordinated, since they are usually split into 3 Chinese-speaking Chinese players and 2 Korean-speaking Korean players.

Yes, Korea will probably dominate, but the battle for 2nd between EU and everyone else (EU is indisputably 2nd atm, they had both of the non-Korean semifinalists at Worlds and got 2nd at IEM Katowice) will be more competitive, or even more sided towards EU, than you seem to imply.

Ale non è maleApr 29, 20161 votes

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They are possibly the worst shot-calling region in the world, and that includes Wild Card regions.

Hey, China has bad shotcalling, but let's not go THAT far, eh :D

TurquoiseYoshiApr 29, 20161 votes

That might be too far. I would definitely guarantee that they have the worst shotcalling of the major regions, though. That much is non-negotiable.

YCitizenSnipsYApr 30, 20161 votes

It actually isn't non-negotiable. CLG just won NA for a second time with the same one dimensional strategy that has gotten them destroyed at two different international events, soon to be three. I mean if China does this bad with no shot calling, than I'm going with NA as the worst region, considering they do even worse with "shot calling."

TurquoiseYoshiApr 30, 20161 votes

I never said anything about the skill/overall strength of the regions. I will admit, China has a lot of talent, mostly because they buy much of it from Korea, but there is still talent.

YCitizenSnipsYApr 30, 20161 votes

And I'm not talking about overall strength either. I don't think you can call NA's shotcalling better than China's if they consistently perform terrible at international events, and CLG can win the region with a play style that has yet to work internationally.

If NA is that bad with shot calling, than obviously they aren't good shot callers.

Ale non è maleApr 30, 20161 votes

KR above all, and then at fair distance EU and LMS have better and more flexibleshotcalling than NA and CH. That's non negotibale. Na vs Ch is which one has mono-dimensional shotcalling teams that work better in the meta - and at times it could also happen by chance that their mono-dimensional shotcalling is good in a specific meta -

StillnameApr 29, 20161 votes

I will give you that NA had a bad split but it wasn't because teams were just playing bad. There were only 3 teams that kept 5 starters all split TSM, IMT, and CLG and all 3 of those rosters were new this split.

The rest of the post is just random and wrong except the part where you say that the post is going to be a wrong pointless ramble. Everyone knows that korea is the best region at this game but china hasn't played well recently either.