Now that taric and Lulu have seen competitive play in LCS...

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People thought they were weak or shit?

I would regularly have plat and diamond players tell she isn't good atm and that pretty much every support is better than her. Same with Taric.

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People thought they were weak or shit.

Believe it or not, I've seen lower-tiered players running down both Taric and Lulu in normal play. Then again, I wonder how many players at lower tiers either know how to play either or play with them as an adc in botlane. (Memories of playing a Soraka and being told to constantly stand in front of a kamikaze Graves as he went ham in the early stages of a game come freshly to mind.)

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i never thought rework taric was bad

I do think it was a bad rework though

I agree with you. I miss my old Taric. I find they ruined him. Top Taric was too op for Riot to handle.

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Taric and Lulu saw competitive play last week. And it was actually quite hit or miss depending on the match ups they were played into. Also like Dynikus said, people thought they were weak?

I think it's not that they were thought to be weak, but rather (at least in Lulu's case) they were/are not very common picks both in the pro game and normal game.

Lulu main here too, and while I don't think anyone really underestimates her, people, especially in solo queue, like picking laning phase champs and oh boy is Lulu awesome in the mid/late game with redemption, locket, ult and the correct shields and cc. But you need patience.

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You switched from Talon to lulu right?

I wouldn't say switched. My ultimate main would have to be Talon, but as far a supports go, it is Lulu. Those two are easily the champions i have the most experience and skill with, and I almost find it hard to choose which one I am truly better with.

I guess you could say I co-main the two.

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When have people said Lulu is weak? also, Taric is weak he has a worse Soraka heal a worse Sion stun a worse Janna shield and a ult that breaks the ga- oh wait

I personally like to go Windpeakers on Taric. Makes his Q heals and W shields pretty substantial with the up time they get when using your passive. His E is fine. the ability he gets to reposition them and such via is W and the fact that he and his teammate get to move unlike Sion make it better imo.

With Redemption, which is still a good buy on him, they keep your team nice and healthy at a surprising rate.

The reason i guess people would think ti is worse is because if your teammate doesn't position right, then it doesn't reach its max effectiveness.

And we all know his ult is game changing.

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When have people said Lulu is weak? also, Taric is weak he has a worse Soraka heal a worse Sion stun a worse Janna shield and a ult that breaks the ga- oh wait

Even those "weak" Taric skills can be enhanced - but that hinges on the support player.

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Imo Lulu is still underpowered compared to the more popular mage-supports(Janna, Karma, Zyra, Malzahar, Brand...). She's only seeing some play because she partly counters Malzahar, which is picked very often.

Lulu is more niche imo, but I find she has more overall utility than any of those champions.

Janna is just the disengage queen in a meta full of divers. Karma has strong early level to bully and harass people out along with some utility. AP supports have damage

Lulu provides almost unrivaled utility.

Her Polymorph alone can basically invalidate an entire champion, and provides chase and disengage as well as a sweet attack speed boost when used on Allies, making ti good for both Dominating fights and taking objectives super easily.

The only thing Lulu lacks is consistency. Unlike Karma Malz or Janna where you pick them just to pick them because they are "strong picks", lulu works best when picked specifically into a team that can bets make use of her stuff.

That said, the champs i find that best work with her typically don't make it out of lane phase unscathed with the current botlane fiesta meta.

However, Ashe and Varus, two popular picks atm, DO, and they both play well with Lulu.

I think the issue is more people don't know what lanes to be aggressive and what lanes to be passive in as Lulu, as she is seen primarily as a Poke support, but she has the luxury of playing passive or aggressive depending on the matchup, something Janna for example doesn't really have.

the only area i feel she is weak at all is that i miss the scaling slow on her Q, and I wish Pix had some debilitating of buff affect so it isn't so negligible. I considered making pix act like Ardent and steal HP when hitting champs, but Idk how OP that would or wouldn't be.

Regardless, Lulu has been carrying me up the ranks for quite a bit this season, so i wouldn't say she is in a bad spot, and any changes she may or may not need I dont think are as major as i suggest.

She has a particular niche in providing Oh=n-hit and attack speed to her team and thus is invaluable to on-hit comps. that alone I think cements a great spot for her.