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Why do pros think Teemo is only an AA based champ with Frozen Mallet and Runaan's Hurricane?

JavelinJoe··3 votes·844 views

In a game where opponents take full advantages of every weakness, why go for the slow, no power spike, and honestly questionable build path for these Teemos? They need to learn to take advantage of his AP ratios and the DOT on his E and R. Teemo is not a late scaling champion to the level of many others. But he has great early game harass 1v1 and good zoning with his Q and R.

item 3151 item 3020 item 3115 item 3116 as core and the last 2 are whatever combo of item 3285 item 3089 item 3157 item 3085 item 3022 item 3165 item 3100 item 3124 item 3091 item 3001 item 3135.

You have a movement speed buff, and frankly, item 3022 item 3085 dont scale with any of teemo's abilities at all. For these to be effective, you need to be alive. Which if building these items, you won't be for most if not all of the fights.

item 1037 item 3052 item 1036 are not power spiking items for item 3022 like item 3136and item 1026 are for item 3151.

Only certain champs can pull off a first item item 3085 and Teemo is not one of them.

His Q scales: 80 / 125 / 170 / 215 / 260 (+ 80% AP), His E scales: D.O.T: 6 / 12 / 18 / 24 / 30 (+ 10% AP) each second, on-hit: 10 / 20 / 30 / 40 / 50 (+ 30% AP), His R scales: D.O.T: 50 / 81.25 / 112.5 (+ 12.5% AP) each second

I don't see any AD, Crit, or Health scaling here. Also, if you were not aware, item 3116 apples for D.O.T's too. While not as great (20% for 1 second on item 3116 / 30% for 1.5 seconds for range with item 3022 ) it still is a slow. But now it has some power behind it too where {{item:3022} 40 AD is not doing a whole lot. Health wise, 650 health on {{item:3022}, but 700 health when you have item 3116 and item 3151 and they have stats you scale with.

Waveclear is never an issue with Teemo. 1 or 2 shrooms with an AP build are more than enough to destroy a minion wave. I would argue it is faster than item 3085 if placed right.

Anyways, I doubt we will see another Teemo anytime soon, but let's hope they drop the current build they think is right for him, because it really is not.

9 Comments

JavelinJoe1 votes

I mean, one of those games the teemo was only average, Caitlyn carried the shit out of that one. The other was good, but I still believe AP is better in most cases.

TheLazySunbro1 votes

Teemo is my 3rd most played champ

All I gotta say AP Teemo Q max sucks so much

E max and getting this types of items like Frozen Mallet Wits End Tooth are incredible on him

JavelinJoe1 votes

I usually max EQW because trading with E is far better than with Q. Plus the range is longer for your autos than the Q. The Q is more focused around its silence so the damage falls off some.

TheLazySunbro1 votes

Mine goes EWQ E for the autos W Pssive movespeed I dont have use for Q at anything on my items

Only time I max q is when Im facing an AA champion like Trynd or Irelia

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Well, they're basically trying to make him a discount Gnar, getting a permaslow from range and being able to infinitely kite the enemy. His teamfight/zoning DPS with the AP build is not good enough to make up for the major increase in dueling power that you get from the Frozen Mallet, especially when Top lane Teemo's main job is to sit in a side lane and duel the other top laner anyways.

JavelinJoe1 votes

But that is the thing. He actually can duel going ap from his E, plus his Q is a silence, and Rylie's gives his E a slow too. Also, Teemo is not a discount Gnar in any way aside from also being a yordle. Their kits are compleatly different as well as their play styles.

Deftones1 votes

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JavelinJoe1 votes

I mean to be fair, 20 games is more than most pros have on him. But you are forgetting that ON-HIT/AD/TANK Teemo needs time, which is never going to be given because he is not normally a tank and has low base defensive stats. Ganks aon Ganks because once he is 1-2 kills behind, he can't come back in pro play unless the other 4 members hard carry him, and I mean hard carry, like donating all kills, all farm, all tower gold, etc... whenever possible.

So if I know well enough that teemo has a major weakness to building tanky in the early game, and that in order to actually get somewhere useful he needs to not fall behind even by a little, I would say AP teemo is appropriate.

Also, from what I can see, the only teemo this split to actually get a decent game was the one from Turkey who got a PENTA as AP teemo. The other times where they went the on-hit/AD/Tank route all lost miserably. Just sayin'.

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