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As A Former Coach, WP Riot

Smitemuffin··10 votes·1,144 views

After watching various problems with orgs in the LCS and from coaching two small-time Challenger teams, I know how tough it can be to protect the players. They're mostly young kids, sometimes taking their first job EVER. Keeping their best interests at heart is not just a priority, but it's a pretty tall order.

Drop that banhammer, Riot.

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III BAKURYU III 2 votes

Are you talking about Dragon Knights and Renegades if so can you explain the situation with the problem cause I don't understand what happened. The way Riot explained it Dragon knights took their players to play Paintball without helmets or something. Also are Renegades and Dragon Knights eliminated from the summer split ?

Smitemuffin1 votes

It wasn't just that. They were both working with a guy who had been temporarily banned from LCS-affiliated organizations and disregarding rules governing player trades.

And Team Impulse was also banned for not paying players on time repeatedly and for failing to produce legal contracts

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Interesting, banned like banned from the LCS cause I looked it up but I didn't find Riot saying banned from the summer splits if they did I might need new glasses. Also great reconnaissance.

MeilinII1 votes

There was a former owner of REN who was banned from owning a team for 1 year because he poached from Liquid. Said owner was still owning a team and lied about it, so all of REN got punished. Said owner also worked on the trades with TDK which were always suspicious and evidence of wrongdoing showed up on the trade, so they got punished too.

TIP just didn't pay their players like assholes.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

ah nice work MEILINII. I always see this and before I read I always think of the worst. Like for example TEAM BLUEHAWKS send their 2nd best player and trade him to another team to get Reconnaissance from that team but secretly still working for TEAM BLUEHAWKS to help them with their top secret ideas etc etc, like a double agent (player) Sucks for the players to be caught up in all this and they TOO get disciplined for something that their coaches and owners and who ever else is behind all the other stuff.

MeilinII1 votes

The players aren't banned. That's why RIOT is letting other teams buy the spots, and hopefully the players contracts as well.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Well you just can't stop with all this great work can you MEILINII. Tell me YOUR SECRETS give them to me NOW.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

joking ;]

Eleshakai1 votes

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Are you talking about Dragon Knights and Renegades if so can you explain the situation with the problem cause I don't understand what happened. The way Riot explained it Dragon knights took their players to play Paintball without helmets or something. Also are Renegades and Dragon Knights eliminated from the summer split ?

Essentially TDK, Renegades, and Impulse - as organizations - are no longer permitted to own teams in the LCS or any Riot-sanctioned league or event. So the organizations have to sell their spot and, hopefully, the contracts to another organization who is compliant with riot's rules. They have 10 days to complete this sale or else they lose it entirely and have nothing to sell. The players aren't implicated in this case, so are able to continue playing. If the contracts are purchased by the new organization, then they'll likely move there... otherwise, they can find another team.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

wow that sucks for the players. Thats a prime example of a student gets the whole class in trouble. However not going to lie I would LOVE to see Fabbyy - Meteos- and Trick2g in the LCS would be cool to see.

DarkRitual1 votes

You're in luck with Meteos at least.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

WHy is MEteos back for C9 jungle ? I never understood the changes to begin with. Balls-Meteos-Hai-Sneaky-Lemon
Original Roster

Balls-Meteos-Incarnation-Sneaky-Lemon
Hai retired because his wrist was hurting, Ok made sense but once the started losing everyone looked around and was like hmmm it CAN'T be this new player that JUST joined the team and has a History of raging in Solo Q INCARNATION no it MUST be METEOS. So what happens ...... HAI returns to ? Jungle ? ok. If he was going to return in the first place, then return the original team; the team that is like 80-15 in the regular split and has 4 Split Finals in a row. Nope instead they bring in Incarnation started losing and blamed Meteos. So what next Lemon retires ;[ ok so Meteos jungle or support? NOPE they then bring in Rush to replace Hai jungle instead of returning Meteos, and Hai goes to Support.
CLOUD 9ERS ASSEMBLE Balls-Rush-Jensen-Sneaky-Hai what a team that can go places and maybe go to MSI and really good and ........... there they go in the first round 3-1.

CLG Skrypt1 votes

2 things. first, i gotta tell you its not over. impact is confirmed as the new C9 top laner for the 2016 summer split. i guess it was balls's turn

second, what is happening with meteos coming back is, since jensen doesnt have NA residancy yet, and they just bought off impact, thats their 2 import slots right there, so rush is... kinda in the way. So what they did is, bring back meteos for a split, until jensen gets his NA residancy (somewhere around october or november i think). Then they can have impact and rush as imports for 2017

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

I just don't see C9 doing that great this next split tbh. Their record might be good but with the best of 3 its hard to explain it so Ill just say they will get to playoffs as 6th seed or just barely reach the playoffs in like 7th place but with teams like IMM-CLG-TSM-NRG-FOX it will be harder this split than it was last split for C9.
Reason for it A. Impact IDK how well he can speak English and enemy teams can just focus him and have him tilt. B. Meteos Rust being off the big stage might come back to haunt him, but will have to see he has developed into a team player from watching his youtube channel. C. Jensen this guy (JUST ME ) is over hyped yeah he had 1 good split being the entire team revolved around him who can't have a good split with that much help 24/7 D. Sneaky This guy has been tilting SO hard in every twitch streams that I have seen this past year. F. Bunny He has been in the LCS for like 3 years now and have only played like 10 games out of like 110 possible games been on the bench for his whole career ;[ and that isn't because hes doing his acting career as Forest Gump, its because hes not that good (LCS STANDARDS) ; against me he would rekt me.

CLG Skrypt1 votes

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Essentially TDK, Renegades, and Impulse - as organizations - are no longer permitted to own teams in the LCS or any Riot-sanctioned league or event. So the organizations have to sell their spot and, hopefully, the contracts to another organization who is compliant with riot's rules. They have 10 days to complete this sale or else they lose it entirely and have nothing to sell. The players aren't implicated in this case, so are able to continue playing. If the contracts are purchased by the new organization, then they'll likely move there... otherwise, they can find another team.

yes and no. the OWNERS of renegades, impulse and tdk have to sell their rights to the teams (which will likely mean name changes, but possibly keep the same staff, some of it at least), but the teams themselves aren't banned from anything properly speaking. If they fail to sell, though, sadly, the teams will be disbanded by riot (let's be real, which lcs players would stay in a team that cannot even enter a challenger scene. it isn't technically one, but the outcome most certainly is)

If they do sell, however, past has shown us that the 2-3 core players from the team are likely to stay, and complimentary players will be kept / swapped accordingly to the owner's (and his counseling staff, old or new) perspective on the game. If i had to predict what will happen, i would say :

TIP - Team ImPulse : Not likely to be seen ever again. its financial problems will be troubling to any potential buyer, with reason. That is an unacceptable practice in any league that considers itself professional, and riot is rightfully doing their job here

REN - Renegades : If it's true Montecristo was implicated in the shady dealings (which, thus far, aren't even corroborated by appreciable evidence; Riot is really climbing on their high horses way too fast, or at least not being transparent enough on why they climb), then damn son, that's really bad. But for now, I'm waiting on Monte's official statements before i judge the issue. As for the Chris Badawi thing, he was banned, and if he really was part of renegades, they are right in punishing monte for defying their laws. he is a bit of a showoff, too, so in a way i wouldn't be too surprised to learn he did

TDK - Dragon Knights : Basically, all that happened with TDK was that they housed / paid players before after the trade with renegades, and didn't mention those services in the trade reports? i guess that's shady, in a sense, but in the end it benefits the player more than anything, no? shrugs maybe they think tdk and renegades used the trades to gather ''sensitive info''... im a bit confused on that one

as for players, i say seraph, crumbz, alexich, ninja and maybe gate will play in the summer split. there is room for them somewhere

Speerhausen2 votes

Reading about the things management of all three teams did made be feel ill.

edit: fixed grammar. (added "did")

MeilinII1 votes

This.

hotarse1 votes

sorry, but i respectfully disagree.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Disagree with what, me needing glasses?

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