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Why Ashe and Varus in Challenger?

Professor Ward··1 votes·2,251 views

keep hearing that these are the go to bot lane champs explain plez

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EndlessSorcerer3 votes

They have utility.

Even if their lane is camped and they fall behind, they are still useful for initiating fights and scale relatively well into the late-game.

Kotex1 votes

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They have utility.

Even if their lane is camped and they fall behind, they are still useful for initiating fights and scale relatively well into the late-game.

But that's what they've always had, and until a week or so ago they were considered out of meta or less viable than the top ADCs in Cait, twitch and Jhin. Varus and Ashe weren't changed in any way recently to my knowledge so their spring into constant play so suddenly is seemingly superfluous for the utility they've always had.

DarkRitual1 votes

LCS reminded people that having that utility as an ADC is a good option when you have an assassin jungler.

woodvsmurph1 votes

So in solo queue they are not the best pick -- at least ashe is not unless... you have a jungler friend to duo with. Their power lies in team comp synergy. Ex: ashe being able to ult mid if her mid is a burst damage champ who can then 1 shot enemy mid -- this helps her teammate out while pulling pressure mid instead of bot so she doesn't have to "adc in 2017" as much. Ex: snowball the rengar jungle -- if rengar sees you can lock enemies down to give him an easy double kill, then YOU are getting friendly jungle pressure to snowball you ahead instead of getting 4v2 camped and begging for help from your team while they never gank your lane.

Also, jhin is just REALLY REALLY BAD if the enemy team has one or more true tanks and you don't have a mid or jungle with the burst and sustained damage to cut through that tank. Jhin is basically good only when enemy team is all squishies or at max 1 bruiser -- we've all seen how useless jhin ult is when shooting full hp tanks, and he has 0 mobility to run from them when closed on. That's why jhin was great during worlds... most toplaners were on squishy kennen or rumble and junglers were not overly tanky, so jhin ult actually dealt damage.

JavelinJoe2 votes

hard CC ults

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

cc utility

Professor Ward1 votes

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cc utility

so pro play has turned adc into support-damage? maybe adcs are weak right now lol

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

same reason why sivir was such a contested pick last season in pro play... her wave clear plus her safety with her spell shield and her ult and building team comps around her kit... ashe is the same... high damage out put late game. a hard engage with her ult, aoe slow, and damage. able to scout ahead with her E ... varus is great at long range poke , burst damage, aoe slow/damage, cc with ult and his e reduces healing affects on any champs hit with it. if you notice alot of champs picked in pro play have a wide variety things they bring to a team instead of just damage...

TheLastShadow451 votes

They still do a lot of damage. It's Just that Varus and Ashe makes picking off the enemy team easier than others do to their CC.

4631 votes

These champs are good in Challenger, but it won't mean they're great in lower elo.

Ashe offers heavy engage / utility.

Varus counters / does well against both S tier ADCs right now ( Cait / Jhin ) Also offers CC on R and his W is %HP damage for tank shredding.

Ashe and Varus are in Challenger. But so is Ezreal, Vayne, Cait, Jhin, sometimes Twitch. Kalista is making an appearance again, and ADC players seem to be doing well with her.

These are all for Challenger players though. They obviously have a very great grasp at their role and champion. So it's advised lower ranking players play something less mechanically demanding.

Like Sivir, Ashe, Jhin.

Joseph Gladstone1 votes

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III BAKURYU III 1 votes

There are hard carry adc champions and then there are utility adc champions. Varus and Ashe both have cc ults,slows,and lots of poke. Play those champions for their lane harass and poke as well as team fight ults while other adc champions might look cool they are meh when it comes to the LCS.

Utility adc champions/teamwork > Hard carry ADC Champions/Solo Q that looks cool.

Ale non è male1 votes

it is the start of the season, no one knows yet how well the meta is developing, they go for the safe choices on ADC with long range early and with CC or super long range late (Jhin, Ez)

These champs are not so good at the moment (except Jhin), tbh, when teams will figure out the meta and they'll have more confidence in avoiding traps and cheese tactics, they will slowly disappear or being back being niche picks

Elisheva1 votes

Both are extremely easy to play, and easy to use their kits to full potential.

woodvsmurph1 votes

Good utility for picks like everyone else says, but also they can farm multiple minions/waveclear from long range -- ashe volley can get multiple low hp minions from outside aa range, varus piercing arrow and hail of arrrows can do the same thing even better. This gives great harass, waveclear to stall/prevent enemy tower dives. And both of them can mess up an enemy team's attempt to tower dive via their ult -- locking the enemy under tower too long so they die tanking it. This also buys time for their team to come and counter-gank.

crabface51 votes

Both are utility, for starters. Varus has plenty of range, thanks to his Q (I think its longer than a Caitlyn Q but not sure), can provide soft and strong CC with his E and his Ultimate, and scales very well into late game. Ashe has plenty of CC as well with her E and Ult (Arrows op), but she also provides safety across the map with her w (Hawkshot I think its called?), as well as an autoattack buff on her Q. In the state where ADC's are relatively weak right now , both can provide relative utility with little gold and can take over a game if they destroy the opposing teams bot lane turret first.

Since its challenger and not solo-queue, teams are much more coordinated then those in solo-queue, so adc can now be a tool to support or aid the team rather than carry (see Vayne, Twitch, Draven, etc.)

Just my thoughts tho

Sagan Forever1 votes

Ashe becuase ulility and varus because he counters ziggs super hard in lane. This makes it so that with him open( which is likely becuase adc's are rarely target banned) the enemy cannot pick ziggs.

Sukishoo1 votes

They have great Utility, that's why they are seen a lot in the LCS as well.

LEBLANKKK TIME1 votes

Hilarious to go onto boards after some LCS and act like they have any clue on how to play the game, after watching pros, listening to some casting HILARIOUS

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