Predictions for week 2 of group stages.

Electro522·Oct 8, 2017·7 votes·1,380 views

Day 5: Group B

Long Zhu: 6-0 Immortals: 4-2 Fnatic: 1-5 GAM: 1-5

Group B is smooth sailing for Long Zhu, and with how good they've been playing, I highly doubt they'll even drop a game next week. Immortals have been doing ok, and thanks to how both Fnatic and GAM are performing, I think its safe to say they have a firm grasp on second place. As for Fnatic, I think people are catching on to GAM's silly antics, considering the Sion ban from Immortals today. Because of that, I think Fnatic won't fall for the same tricks again. I don't think there will be a tie breaker between the 2 though, since neither will move on to groups.

Day 6: Group C

RNG: 6-1 SSG: 5-2 G2: 2-4 FB: 0-6

Despite RNG manhandling SSG yesterday, I wouldn't count SSG out just yet. I do think if they pull it together that can take a game off of RNG, and force a tie breaker, which RNG will come back with a vengeance, and take first seed. G2, even though I have them set at 2-4, does have the potential to shake things up. I can see them taking a game off of SSG and denying the tie breaker. As for them getting out groups, sorry EU, but I don't think it'll happen. As for FB, they're play in performance was awesome, but they just don't stand a chance here.

Day 7: Group D

Misfits: 5-1 WE: 4-2 TSM: 3-3 FW: 0-6

EDIT: Dr. Poro pointed out that my predicition on group D simply cannot happen, because it would require both Misfits and WE to go 3-0.....which is impossible since they face each other once. This means that if both of them win their other games, whoever wins that match takes first place, and there will be no tie breaker.

Now here's something I didn't expect I'd be doing, but I think Misfits found something. Sure, they got utterly destroyed by WE, but then they utterly destroy FW, then go on to play TSM like a fiddle. I'm thinking they could definitely force WE into a tie breaker, and actually take it for first seed. Yes, that is a ton a faith to put into them, but I honestly think they found something, and are taking full advantage of it.

And yes, I do have TSM not making it out of groups. Sorry, but I think we're just seeing a repeat of every other worlds they've been to. They are going to crash and burn, and disappoint everyone again. Just watch.

Day 8: Group A

SKT: 6-1 C9: 5-2 AHQ: 2-4 EDG: 0-6

Now, if you thought my TSM prediction was bold, what do you think of me thinking C9 will take a game off of SKT? Despite SKT being 3-0, and coming back from an ELEVEN THOUSAND gold deficit after just 1 teamfight, we have seen that they are vulnerable. Both AHQ and EDG exposed weaknesses that I think C9 could take advantage of. In fact, had C9 not pulled the short straw in playing SKT first, I think it may have been very possible that C9 would be sitting at 3-0 instead of SKT.

But, this is SKT we're talking about. C9 will force a tie breaker, but SKT will take the first seed. They have a habit of leaving a trail of devastation behind when they get pissed off, and, considering Faker's interviews, I don't think anything will piss them off more than losing to Impact, their former top laner.

As for EDG, well.......I think they're done. The SKT game was simply too much of a blow, and I find it difficult they could come back after going 0-3. But, if there is any team at worlds that can prove me wrong, it is EDG.

32 Comments

DarkRoosterOct 8, 20173 votes

C9 will choke as much as TSM, do you think this is the first year or endless year when someone over hypes TSM or C9 and ends up disappointed ? Sounds like every year to me, im actually fan of TSM because i been following Bjergsen since he started, but i am just saying how it is.

Later interviews with NA teams be like ''we never actually had a chance to win so we just played''. There is something wrong in the core of attitude when teams doesn't go in to win the whole worlds, so predicting worlds is not even that hard since koreans showed up.

Electro522Oct 8, 20173 votes

C9 has been the only NA team in the past few years to make it out of groups, and with them winning pretty decisively against both EDG and AHQ, I think it's a pretty safe bet they'll make it out this year as well.

BigBellBruteOct 8, 20172 votes

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C9 will choke as much as TSM, do you think this is the first year or endless year when someone over hypes TSM or C9 and ends up disappointed ? Sounds like every year to me, im actually fan of TSM because i been following Bjergsen since he started, but i am just saying how it is.

Later interviews with NA teams be like ''we never actually had a chance to win so we just played''. There is something wrong in the core of attitude when teams doesn't go in to win the whole worlds, so predicting worlds is not even that hard since koreans showed up.

Perhaps you should wait until EU does better than 3-6 to pull shit talk out of your ass.

DarkRoosterOct 8, 20173 votes

What does this has to do with EU ? Can you read ?

BigBellBruteOct 8, 20171 votes

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What does this has to do with EU ? Can you read ?

It's easy to comprehend. You were flinging shit. I rubbed it right back in your face.

DarkRoosterOct 8, 20173 votes

Are you a fanboy ? You are irrational, don't answer any my points but go off topic about completely other region. I been following only NA region with occasional games in LCK region, so i know what i am talking about. TSM gets hyped up endlessly by casters, this is now their best roster, they have so much worlds experience. C9 gets hyped up by fans. And did they ever advanced further than expected or most of the time even less ?

And about their attitude i wrote it was when C9 and TSM was up against Samsung Galaxy each, that year, after was many interviews with them and they said plenty times they never even expected anything else than lose, which is quite a wrong attitude 2 of NA teams that goes to worlds almost every year.

Last year TSM had to win single win able game to advance out of group stages but they didn't deliver, as always. As i said i am TSM fan, meaning that there is no one else but their own fans they can disappoint the most. EU is not even worth talking about this year, so idk why would you mention them.

dakm102Oct 9, 20171 votes

Don't worry about him. I feel like I have seen him around before and he does this a lot. I am not 100% sure it is the same guy but I think it is and if it is just ignore him. He will just keep it going and then be like "why are you so invested in this. so salty lol". I get why you think that NA will choke but C9 has often been the team to not choke in groups. Last year they made it and in 2015 they were not expected to win any games at all so to perform as well as they did was great. I understand the viewpoint but never sleep on C9 (but yeah TSM gonna choke lol. Happens every time)

BigBellBruteOct 10, 20171 votes

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Are you a fanboy ? You are irrational, don't answer any my points but go off topic about completely other region. I been following only NA region with occasional games in LCK region, so i know what i am talking about. TSM gets hyped up endlessly by casters, this is now their best roster, they have so much worlds experience. C9 gets hyped up by fans. And did they ever advanced further than expected or most of the time even less ?

And about their attitude i wrote it was when C9 and TSM was up against Samsung Galaxy each, that year, after was many interviews with them and they said plenty times they never even expected anything else than lose, which is quite a wrong attitude 2 of NA teams that goes to worlds almost every year.

Last year TSM had to win single win able game to advance out of group stages but they didn't deliver, as always. As i said i am TSM fan, meaning that there is no one else but their own fans they can disappoint the most. EU is not even worth talking about this year, so idk why would you mention them.

You came to fling shit. Nothing more. You got it rubbed back in your face. Don't fling shit if you don't want it coming back on you.

DarkRoosterOct 11, 20172 votes

So you basically have nothing to say, nothing to argue, nothing to add to discussion, but you sure do love to talk about shit. Fanboy in nutshell

MysterQOct 8, 20172 votes

Honestly, it can change, but this year NA has a chance to send all 3. I am not saying it will happen, NA has choked from a much bigger lead before. But they have a great opportunity to send at least if not more than 1.

DarkRoosterOct 8, 20171 votes

Another year of disappointment or something will ever change ? I am so bitter because i am always hopeful they will play on top of their game, if they lose its not because they were bad but only because other team was excellent. Last time i was hopeful was when Origen from EU was in worlds, that was interesting to watch and they showed us probably the best macro class that year.

MysterQOct 8, 20172 votes

F Fnatic ruining my group pick'ems. It was my fault for wanting NA to fail, but yea Fnatic needs to step it up, but it is probably too late.

I always had SSG at number 2. They just are not good in Bo1. But they are good enough to come out in the clutch when they need it.

Otherwise, Group D will be interesting since my pick can be right or wrong still. I placed Misfits 2nd. (Again wanting NA(note TSM) to fail). I am glad that is still a possibility, plus at least one EU in the group8 would be cool, especially if it is the one everyone has trash talked since day 1. But honestly, groupD can go either way. It is based on who gets ahead or who throws.

LankPantsOct 8, 20172 votes

NA will go 0/10 including a tiebreaker again.

BigBellBruteOct 8, 20171 votes

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NA will go 0/10 including a tiebreaker again.

And all OCE can do is sit and watch because they couldn't even beat Brazil.

HeeroTXOct 8, 20171 votes

You think Misfits gonna go 3-0 (or 4-0 based on your tie-breaker assumption) in week 2... Good luck with that.

Juggernaut628Oct 10, 20171 votes

Hey, they went 2-1 already, they'd just need to repeat that, but beat WE in the process. And it doesn't seem that difficult to beat a team again if you've already done it that day.

HeeroTXOct 10, 20171 votes

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Hey, they went 2-1 already, they'd just need to repeat that, but beat WE in the process. And it doesn't seem that difficult to beat a team again if you've already done it that day.

Last year the ONLY team to go winless in groups in week 2 was INTZ. OP is predicting not ONLY will the Winner of the LPL go entirely winless, but ALSO the winner of the LMS. That seems highly unlikely (even though both have played badly). On top of that, he's saying that MSF will not only beat the team that beat them, but do it twice. And with the current schedule, they'd need to do it literally back-2-back? If OP wants to argue MSF making it out of groups, EITHER of the following seem more likely: -(most worrisome): WE go 3-0, finish 5-1 (or 4-2, with 2 wins over MSF, but a loss to FW), MSF finish 3-3 (with a loss to FW) and TSM also finish 3-3, but lose record tie-breaker with 2 losses to MSF That is THE most frightening scenario as it matches TSM of Worlds 2016 AND TSM of MSI 2017

-MSF go 2-1, and FW picks up 2 wins somehow, meaning at "best" only 1 other team can get to 4-2

One thing I'm curious about, while I don't REMOTELY think it'll happen (altho I'd put it on even odds with OP's scenario). What would happen if FW somehow went 3-0 and all the other teams went 1-2? You'd have a 4-way tie for the group with no real way to do a tie-breaker short of doing it all over again.

EDIT: Just went back and did the math, there is literally NO WAY the OP's scenario works, period. End of story. His scenario assumes a tie-breaker game between 5-1 MSF & 5-1 WE for winner of the group. BOTH teams are 2-1 right now. The ONLY way either can get to 5-1 is to win out. That is MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE within the group.

BigBellBruteOct 11, 20171 votes

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Last year the ONLY team to go winless in groups in week 2 was INTZ. OP is predicting not ONLY will the Winner of the LPL go entirely winless, but ALSO the winner of the LMS. That seems highly unlikely (even though both have played badly). On top of that, he's saying that MSF will not only beat the team that beat them, but do it twice. And with the current schedule, they'd need to do it literally back-2-back? If OP wants to argue MSF making it out of groups, EITHER of the following seem more likely: -(most worrisome): WE go 3-0, finish 5-1 (or 4-2, with 2 wins over MSF, but a loss to FW), MSF finish 3-3 (with a loss to FW) and TSM also finish 3-3, but lose record tie-breaker with 2 losses to MSF That is THE most frightening scenario as it matches TSM of Worlds 2016 AND TSM of MSI 2017

-MSF go 2-1, and FW picks up 2 wins somehow, meaning at "best" only 1 other team can get to 4-2

One thing I'm curious about, while I don't REMOTELY think it'll happen (altho I'd put it on even odds with OP's scenario). What would happen if FW somehow went 3-0 and all the other teams went 1-2? You'd have a 4-way tie for the group with no real way to do a tie-breaker short of doing it all over again.

EDIT: Just went back and did the math, there is literally NO WAY the OP's scenario works, period. End of story. His scenario assumes a tie-breaker game between 5-1 MSF & 5-1 WE for winner of the group. BOTH teams are 2-1 right now. The ONLY way either can get to 5-1 is to win out. That is MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE within the group.

Yeah, MSF and We can't both go 3-0 because they play once and one of them will have a loss. I'm not convinced that Edward is so bad they're not going to take a game off of somoene. And I'm not convinced that all three teams in D are so much better than FW that FW won't win one game. It happened once, it can happen again obviously. But I wouldn't predict both going 0-3. Maybe one or the other. But not both. If anyone may go 0-3 it's Fnatic. Airing dirty laundry in public is a bad sign for them. FB may go 0-3 tooo. They're a bit overmatched. From most likely to least likely to go 0-3 I'd take FB, FNC, FW, ED.

That three and three thing with TSM you posted is a bit worrisome. The other worrisome thing is this. The three way tie at 4-2 where the three teams beat each other again and nobody gets untied by the head to head. , if nobody gets untied by the head to head just among the three, in years past they've had games and the seed is determined by the time. Right now We would be 1, That means TSM would play one more game against MSF and the loser would go home. The winner would play We. That would really suck to go 4-2, lose that, and go home. So hopefully We and MSF take a loooooooooong time for their wins if that comes to pass. But each of the three We, MSF, and TSM all have their own destiny in hand. Beat the other two and they're in. Beat FW in addition to the other two and it's first in group guaranteed. Can't ask for more than that.

Juggernaut628Oct 11, 20171 votes

INTZ took a game off of EDG at the start of the tournament

HeeroTXOct 11, 20171 votes

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INTZ took a game off of EDG at the start of the tournament

Right, and then they went winless in the 2nd week. (the ONLY team to not win in the 2nd week) If you prefer, I can note that INTz's week 1 win makes OP's projections even LESS likely, since he has not 1, not 2, but THREE teams going winless for the whole competition, when there were ZERO winless teams last year. (I think it's highly likely that FB go winless this year, and it's possible that one of EDG and FW does as well, but HIGHLY unlikely that all 3 of those teams fail to get a single win, IMO)

And again, his projections for Group D have TWO teams going 3-0 in week 2, which is again, a MATHEMATICAL impossibility.

xJLx MCHammerOct 8, 20171 votes

Bold predictions

I believe TSM and WE will get out. Mostly because Misfits just don't have an answer for any lane. They all lose in terms of laning but are held together because Sven is not good anymore

I think SKT and C9 will get out. C9 only has to win one game vs AHQ and I think they can.

LZG and IMT will get out. FNC trying too hard to put everything into rekkless, even in an ADC meta. He is good but he can't work miracles

RNG and SSG will also get out

Electro522Oct 8, 20171 votes

I also think Doublelift is cracking. I'll admit, this meta doesn't favor him, considering there is only 1 adc he plays that's favored right now, that being Tristana. He simply isn't known for his hypercarries.

Also, despite my heavy criticism of TSM, I'll admit that Haintzer is playing out of his god damned mind. Were it not for him, TSM would not be where they are now. However, as this goes on, I don't think they'll be able to carry them.

xJLx MCHammerOct 8, 20171 votes

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I also think Doublelift is cracking. I'll admit, this meta doesn't favor him, considering there is only 1 adc he plays that's favored right now, that being Tristana. He simply isn't known for his hypercarries.

Also, despite my heavy criticism of TSM, I'll admit that Haintzer is playing out of his god damned mind. Were it not for him, TSM would not be where they are now. However, as this goes on, I don't think they'll be able to carry them.

It definitely favors him. This is perhaps the biggest meta in terms of how impactful ADC's are. IF he can't step it up now with Trist and Xayah, he should retire.

I do agree, Hauntz is the reason they are 2-1. Without some of his play, I'd consider them as #3 in this group

MysterQOct 9, 20171 votes

After this worlds, I really want Haunzter to go to a new team. He has been playing great, so I would like him to go somewhere else. If he stays on TSM, he will always get easy NA wins, but if he wants to carry a team he should move.

Juggernaut628Oct 10, 20171 votes

Well, technically if EDG 3-0's the week and C9 only beats AHQ, there would be a tie-breaker between C9 and EDG, but since it's highly likely that SKT beats EDG (or at least SOMEONE does) your point stands. The 2-0 over AHQ is very important.

FableBlazeOct 9, 20171 votes

Commenting mostly about EU teams.

Fnatic is highly unlikely to make it out. The desperately needed at least one win in first week. But they did not get it and the loss against IMT tilted them hard. Rekkles singlehandedly carried and then lost that game.

And you could easily see the resulting tilt in their next game. Yes, LZ caught them by surprise with the Nasus pick (like GMB did with Nocturne pick), but Fnatic also seemed lost as well. They basically nothing at all against LZ. They tried one play, but bu that time the game was already lost.

Fnatic's morale is broken and even if they recuperate, then they still would not be able to beat LZ. Honestly, Fnatic might even go 0-3. A huge disappointment.

G2 is... well G2. They look really good against weaker teams and like garbage against equal or better teams.

Just look at the last game against RNG, what were these random baron calls? Yes the first one worked out, but they did not do nearly enough with it. The second Baron was what G2 usually does, they do not know what to do and they eventually make a terrible call that loses the game.

Their games will most likely be a repeat of week 1. They might even lose to FN if the games before go terribly.

Misfits might actually make it Misfits was for sure the biggest surprise for me. Their two wins looked solid and they might rival even WE if they keep their performance up.

They will most likely win against FW (tho i would not count FW out yet). They will probably lose to WE. Their game against TSM will be the deciding one. If they manage to beat TSM then they will most likely get 2nd place in the group.

I'd say Misfits is likely to get out, but it will be a close call between them and TSM.

FableBlazeOct 9, 20172 votes

As for NA teams... NA fans can be happy this year. It is likely that at least C9 and IMT will make it out of groups. And TSM also has a decent chance.

NA teams (especially C9) have performed well. And this is the first worlds when NA teams are clearly better than EU teams. So congratulations!

BigBellBruteOct 10, 20172 votes

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Commenting mostly about EU teams.

Fnatic is highly unlikely to make it out. The desperately needed at least one win in first week. But they did not get it and the loss against IMT tilted them hard. Rekkles singlehandedly carried and then lost that game.

And you could easily see the resulting tilt in their next game. Yes, LZ caught them by surprise with the Nasus pick (like GMB did with Nocturne pick), but Fnatic also seemed lost as well. They basically nothing at all against LZ. They tried one play, but bu that time the game was already lost.

Fnatic's morale is broken and even if they recuperate, then they still would not be able to beat LZ. Honestly, Fnatic might even go 0-3. A huge disappointment.

G2 is... well G2. They look really good against weaker teams and like garbage against equal or better teams.

Just look at the last game against RNG, what were these random baron calls? Yes the first one worked out, but they did not do nearly enough with it. The second Baron was what G2 usually does, they do not know what to do and they eventually make a terrible call that loses the game.

Their games will most likely be a repeat of week 1. They might even lose to FN if the games before go terribly.

Misfits might actually make it Misfits was for sure the biggest surprise for me. Their two wins looked solid and they might rival even WE if they keep their performance up.

They will most likely win against FW (tho i would not count FW out yet). They will probably lose to WE. Their game against TSM will be the deciding one. If they manage to beat TSM then they will most likely get 2nd place in the group.

I'd say Misfits is likely to get out, but it will be a close call between them and TSM.

That third game really was telling. A total stomp complete with the only dancing rift hereld. Couple that with Fnatic airing dirty laundry in public. Not a good sign. They didn't play together. The toxicity signals they aren't together, and things are looking bleak.

FableBlazeOct 11, 20171 votes

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That third game really was telling. A total stomp complete with the only dancing rift hereld. Couple that with Fnatic airing dirty laundry in public. Not a good sign. They didn't play together. The toxicity signals they aren't together, and things are looking bleak.

I agree. I honestly expected them to be the only EU team that performs well. Maybe not good enough to get out of groups, but still. I definitely did not expect Fnatic to be the team that falls apart.

StillnameOct 11, 20171 votes

Misfits and WE can't both go 3-0.

Dr PoroOct 11, 20171 votes

I'm not an expert speculant but I'm pretty sure your group D predictions are wrong. Not only do I not have as much faith in Misfits' consistency, but your prediction also requires both Misfits and WE to go 3-0 next week, which is impossible according to my current knowledge of mathematics as they'll have to face eachother.

Electro522Oct 12, 20171 votes

Ah.....you're right. My bad.

Then it would be 4-2 WE, 5-1 Misfits.....with no Tie breaker.

Thanks for pointing it out.