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Remember back in worlds when red side was screwed over in banning the OPs?

JavelinJoe··21 votes·1,939 views

Same shit is happening again. Blue side target bans while red side is forced to ban Camille Leblanc and Rengar as first 3 bans.

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Covert Ops Gnar4 votes

Leave all 3 open. Call their bluff. Red team gets first 2 picks while Blue can only get the very first.

If 3 OPs are open, then Red can get 2 while blue can only get 1.

Wh1teWu1f1 votes

Exactly, worst case scenario, both teams get an OP or red side only wastes one ban on an OP while blue side needed to use both. There is a problem with this though in that if you wanted to pick up a specific role that doesn't have an OP in it, then you effectively forfeit that ability and hope they don't pick it for their last 2 phase 1 picks.

Meanie401 votes

Blue side third ban bans the OP they don't want, then takes the choice of the two remaining if red doesn't ban either of them (or the one remaining if red does).

That's actually worse than red banning out all 3.

Takito3 votes

Because red side doesn't understand what the f*** they are doing.

IMO Fly Quest is the only team that has a great banning phase on the red side...

BigBellBrute1 votes

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Because red side doesn't understand what the f*** they are doing.

IMO Fly Quest is the only team that has a great banning phase on the red side...

Uh P1 throwing with an 8k gold lead and a huge lead in kills and having FQ's base cracked helped more than the draft this time.

Electro5221 votes

P1 didn't throw. Fly just played it so damn well, that it felt like they threw. P1 played very well, and capitalized on their extremely fed Varus.

The second game though....

BigBellBrute1 votes

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P1 didn't throw. Fly just played it so damn well, that it felt like they threw. P1 played very well, and capitalized on their extremely fed Varus.

The second game though....

Way to miss the point. It wasn't the draft. And yes they did throw. You're flat out wrong.

GGLineaR1 votes

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And yes they did throw. You're flat out wrong.

So, you're not gonna propose any evidence? You're gonna stick with that real kicker of an argument?

Alright, then.

BigBellBrute1 votes

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So, you're not gonna propose any evidence? You're gonna stick with that real kicker of an argument?

Alright, then.

A snide comeback without offering any evidence yourself. But I guess we should all do as you say and not as you do.
And the evidence is clear They were way ahead and blew it. Further, the unicorns can play red contrary to the original post I quoted. Other teams can as well.

GGLineaR1 votes

I'm not the one who just said "you're flat out wrong" to someone with seemingly no evidence, so I can be snide all I want. :3

Even so, choking is not the same as throwing. Watch any fighting game tournament and you'll see that.

BigBellBrute1 votes

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I'm not the one who just said "you're flat out wrong" to someone with seemingly no evidence, so I can be snide all I want. :3

Even so, choking is not the same as throwing. Watch any fighting game tournament and you'll see that.

I had plenty of evidence. You just ignored it. And then you were a hypocrite and offered no evidence of your own. Oh and whether you choose to call it choking or throwing, heck, call it whatever you want to try to make some petty little inept argument. Whatever you choose to call it my point remains. It wasn't the draft. Thanks for making my point.

Oh and nice red side draft from Flyquest today.
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!

So we have thoroughly established that Flyquest is not the only team that can draft red side whether you choose to bury your head in the sand and ignore it or what have you.

Takito2 votes

I'm not just talking about that one game... Fly Quest didn't do the triple ban on red side. Not a single time.

They understood how it works, you trade the powerpicks if the other team isn't willing to ban something themselves.

Ale non è male3 votes

Except these champs are not on the same level If red side teams are not meta sheep, they can strategically decide if leave one/more than one open and counter them

Major example how UOL on red side tricked their opponents into picking Rengar while pulling out a shield comp with Ivern + Lulu in week 1

DrCyanide1 votes

These picks have gotten though in multiple Unicorns games, because the Unicorns have ways to play around them.

Ale non è male1 votes

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These picks have gotten though in multiple Unicorns games, because the Unicorns have ways to play around them.

Actually that's not true. They never let Leblanc or Camille get through 1st ban phase so far when they were on red side (we'll see what they do when they'll start playing in 7.3 patch) It is just that they showed that they can counter Rengar and Camille (not directly, but Vizi is known to be an awesome player on Camille counters like Shen), so that UOL doesn't need to spend every time all their red side bans on the same champions over and over again. They can force/trick blue side team to ban at least one of these champs or let some of these picks gone through because they are ready to react and counter rather than ban in fear.

It is obviously that, at least for UOL, those three champs were not on the same level of OPness

It was something like that in team perception: 1 Leblanc>>2 Camille>>>>>>>>>>>>>3 Rengar

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Yes, and now those champions are receiving/have received nerfs.

Ayane1 votes

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Yes, and now those champions are receiving/have received nerfs.

oh cool, now red side can be forced to ban Camille, Rengar and Syndra because the other 2 nerfs didnt really do anything.

Miror B1 votes

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