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How to not get eaten by Voli?

JhomasTefferson··2 votes·1,218 views

Cuz basically, you can't 1v1 him cuz of his ult, and you can't run from him cuz q, e, and exhaust and flash. Like, he's one of the few champs i face that consistently just shit on me every time I face them and I don't know how to beat him. Like, I try drawing his passive, Then you don't see him till it's back up. I try getting him low first then fighting him, but if i didn't draw passive first i lose. I try running, he's faster. I try poking, he doesn't care, as his w lets him build full tank. I really don't know what to do.

Can someone please help?

28 Comments

RogueWill1 votes

You kite him so even if he wants to go all in he is not able to. If you constantly keep him at half hp he won't initiate since he might or might not live it. Really if he is lane, poke him and harass him, if he is jungle, get wards since besides his Q he has no gapcloser.

JhomasTefferson1 votes

I try to get wards, but i also usually get red and go sweeper and buy all the greens i can afford to reasonably, and in bronze i don't have teammates who ward usually, so voli can get sweeper and stomp my wards since they're the only one on the map, and then come back a little later when one isn't there and cheese me at red.

RogueWill1 votes

I'm guessing this is a jungle vs jungle game from your previous comments. Anyway, low elo should always get item 3340 and upgrade it to item 3361 as soon as you hit 9. Why? Well because neither team will ward correctly. The amount of wards you can actually sweep is actually low since the enemy team won't be dropping as many wards. Just get the upgraded trinket and ward the chokepoints. Besides as main lee you could use teh extra wards to do ward jumps.

Voli can and should go for invades, the problem is that although he has a decent 1v1, if he gets in trouble is hard for him to get out. Ward the checkpoint and spam the help ping and your team might be able to help, if they can't/won't just set up counterjungle, Lee clears are much faster than voli and you can possible just give up your buff (if you see him going) and just go for his buff instead.

Darkwind1 votes

Who are you playing?

Short answer is you never all in him and have some way of making that happen. Boots help with this.

Longer answer is champion dependent.

JhomasTefferson1 votes

I'm trying to main lee, and i'm starting to do well and carry, like, my skills are almost to the point that i'll be able to use him almost all the time, since he's so able to outplay and outmaneuver, and kill, when used correctly. But the problem is, i don't know how to outplay each champ. Squishes, just avoid they're skill shots, you'll blow up the adc before they do half they're health if they're alone. And the mages, well, avoid the skilshots, if it's like annie, run if they land cc and chunk you real quick to under 1/2. and even then if you get greedy you could still sometimes pick the kill up by building a little more damage. And tanks, well, you can burst them down half the time, and because i always build cleaver, and don't miss many q's, I'm able to chase quite well whenever i get them on the run, if they're alone.

Basically, i play lee because he's a 1v1 monster, and i just discovered that xin is one of the few champs that can kinda stand toe to toe with him early mid and late. I realize the same is going to be true for nearly any champ, so i need to learn them all and how to outplay. And decimate the opposition on my climb to a higher elo, where when i tell of the horror that is elo hell, i will be believed, lol. And the best part is that he's hardly ever banned with how overtuned so many other champs are, and the skill required to play him the way I'm attempting to.

The long version is this: I'm trying to main lee, and voli always gives me trouble, so i turned to the boards for help.

Darkwind1 votes

IMO it should never be possible for voli to kill a lee directly assuming you never want to fight. Anytime you see him, just walk away/ W away/ Q to a monster away/ ult him away and ping your team to back off. Getting vision deep into his jungle will also be helpful, although since you can't fight him that can be difficult. Either wait for a moment when you know where he is to get the wards down, or take a route that you KNOW you can escape if he shows up.

If you can manage that, then all you have to do is always be on the opposite side of the map from him. He ganks bot, you gank top. He goes top, you gank bot. By the time you get to teamfights, you shouls be more useful than him, assuming equal mid-late team comps apart from your two champs. Of course this won't work every game, because some players will be exceptionally bad/ungankable, but this is at least one way of dealing with him.

Francisco Pires1 votes

If you're playing a melee ranged champion, and you can't poke him or kite him, boots of swiftness will help (gives more ms than other boots and reduces slows from his E and exaust). He's not the best duelist tho, you can beat him 1vs1 with several champions. Garen and Darius are good vs him (I usually counter him with these guys), becaus their ult's can execute him before the passive procs.

Catastrop1 votes

Champions with a lot of lockdown can deal with him, or at least lock him down long enough for your teammates to kill him. Fiddlesticks Lissandra Lulu Morgana are great at this. Champions who can kite him are great too.

JhomasTefferson1 votes

Oh my god. Fiddle. I never thought of him. You just gave me the answer. See i've been trying to main lee jung, but ill play a few other champs too. Fiddle can be one of them. He's a pretty good kinda weird aoe bruiser dude, which could fit into different team comps and different roles than lee. but the fear would be perfect. Thanks a lot for the tip dude. I never considered cc an option, just raw mobility. I put an extra point or two into fear early, which i usually do early after level 3 drain, so that the fear length is longer than ult channel, so i can easily kill squishes when they're alone. Then i get early sorcerers or merc's and I'll be able to get away with the fear. This is very helpful. thanks.

Catastrop1 votes

No problem. Glad I could help. :)

CKwoka269471 votes

It's so easy to beat volibear. You simply kite him and he will run out of mana.

JhomasTefferson1 votes

he's hard to kite. even as lee, he's kinda hard to run from. i appreciate the tip though. And i play voli from time to time. I never really have mana issues with him, unless I'm out farming for a while, like, sub 200 to 1600 gold in the jungle early game when i have no stats. Then usually i just go straight for the tank and ms. I can kinda do what they do, but not as well, and I'm starting to believe theres no way to stop voli.

ninjaIRL 1 votes

Chain CCs together and Voli will find it hard to catch anyone.

MohawkBird1 votes

So waste all your CC on the tank that is Voli instead of the actual carries? Sorry man, but that's not really good advice.

Wind Whistler2 votes

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So waste all your CC on the tank that is Voli instead of the actual carries? Sorry man, but that's not really good advice.

What if Volibear IS the carry?

JhomasTefferson3 votes

What if Volibear IS the carry?

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ninjaIRL 1 votes

Throw out something like an Ekko Q. If he still chases then throw out something like an Elise Cocoon. Or like a Syndra stun combo.

I never said waste all of your CC.

Flaherty1 votes

Igniting him right before his passive sets in really hurts him, or just applying grievous wounds (Morellos/Executioner's Calling). Voli's passive doesn't heal him all at once, so high enough DPS should still kill him. Like others say, kiting him is the most effective way to deal with him, he can't bite you if he can't get autos off.

Wind Whistler1 votes

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Igniting him right before his passive sets in really hurts him, or just applying grievous wounds (Morellos/Executioner's Calling). Voli's passive doesn't heal him all at once, so high enough DPS should still kill him. Like others say, kiting him is the most effective way to deal with him, he can't bite you if he can't get autos off.

EXECUTIONER'S CALLING? LOL!

JhomasTefferson1 votes

I try that, but he's usually built to be so damn fast too that he's hard to outrun.

Like, I've tried to kite and then ult q combo with my passive giving faster aa's and skirmisher's smite. His passive is usually too strong, and i die. The problem is that if he's ahead at all you'll never kill him and he'll be really hard to outrun, or kill, even if he's greedy. Like, imagine i didn't take an extremely mobile champ against him. I'd be voli food.

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes

volibear is an amazingly strong brawler and skirmisher early on. if you ignore him and avoid him until later, he falls off big time as he cant build damage

Randomonium1 votes

Don't fight a fair fight against him. If you trade even with Voli he will decimate you when your health gets low. You need to out poke him and be patient. Use his aggressiveness against him and call for your jungler or mid laner to roam. I like playing Gnar against him. Anytime he tries to engage you hop away and slow him with your boomerrang. Then you land a couple autos while he is slowed to proc your W and repeat. Wait til you proc his passive and then all in him when your rage bar is full.

JhomasTefferson1 votes

I'm trying to main lee jungle, and people in my elo are extremely unresponsive. Like, to the point that he can chase me past my own red toward bot tower. And usually, if he runs smite exhaust, he will catch you, flip you, slow you, hit you with aas, hit you with skirmishers for a lot of damage, and he ultted of course. Then he will chomp, and it does a lode of damage. I see them usually building cinder, then rush boots with alacrity, then dead mans plate, or if really ahead triforce, then dead man's. And Then he's able to run me down, if i don't have two wards up, ult and flash, and I'm not in a position that i can ward hop to gain distance well, he will absolutely run me down, and thats just if i get to see him coming. If he creeps up on me in jung at like 6, gg I'm getting killed, and he's getting ahead. Well, not quite gg, but you get the idea. I don't try to engage at all because i think they're running 3 ms quints, + everything in masteries that speed you up/ prevent you from being slowed down, in addition to that, he usually runs runes for the most health and ap he can, and hybrid pen, then in game he builds basically anything with health, movement speed, and tankiness to negate your damage as fast as he can. Because of this he becomes difficult to outrun with lee sin, who i take against him cuz he gives me the best chance to run with him, especially if you'r the only one warding and he keeps stomping your wards and then creeping up on you when you take red or chickens or whatever, and he's able to chase you that well and, if i don't have another ward handy because i used the green and the pink or the two greens i bought when i backed, and got a red so he wouldn't know where i was in my jung since i could stomp his wards. I'm not saying it's impossible, i'm saying it's way harder than it should be to just run from him as soon as you see him.

TouchpadExpert1 votes

What champs are you playing as? A good counter to Volibear is Mundo. Cleavers allow you to kite him nonstop and if he builds hp your cleavers will hurt him even more. Something like Jayce can kite him also due to ranged stance and swapping stances give a speed boost and ignores unit collision. And if he gets close just smack him away. And if you're Nasus just wither him every engage he attempts on you.

But keeping him at bay easily solves his impact on the game.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Hmm well Voli is faster when running towards an enemy so keep that in mind, his W gives him AS and is an execute so when its up and you are low just run until he loses his W stacks, his E has short range so just stay well out of AA range when he uses it and it will miss, his ult is probably his weakest skill to be honest. If you are laning against him summoner 14 is very useful, if you are Jungle then you will just need to dodge his abilities. His Q and W do run out, so try to kite him until they end.

You said you are playing Lee jg right? Well poke him from afar with Q, slow him and ward jump away while his Q and W is up. If he is low and has his passive, there isnt much you can do unless you are more fed then him. Wait for his passive to heal him and either go back in if you can or run if you are too low. If he does not have passive fight him and make sure you are watching his W stacks, after 3 AA's (including his Q) he can bite you, so if you are low either jump away or kick him away and hit him with your Q. By the time you go back in his W's stacks should have decayed and he wont be able to bite you. I dont play Lee but i know that Lee should probably win that fight since Voli's mechanics are far simpler then Lee's and he has no gap closer while Lee has several ways of moving around a fight.

Sirsir1 votes

Poke him, CC him when he Qs. Thats about it.

I mean if you are underfed KogMaw and he has item 3800 item 3153 item 3742 you are SCREWED but thats very few champs, you have to have no mobility and no notable CC

junglerboy161 votes

I'd hazard a guess that Ashe is a pretty solid pick against him because he has a really hard time sticking to people with persistent CC. It doesn't have to be hard CC either since he doesn't have a dash of any sort, so all you need to do is keep some sort of consistent slow, which Ashe obviously has. Other than that, try getting a Frozen mallet for your defensive item on a different carry to stay away from him, or maybe Rylai's on a mage.

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