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Should I Make the Switch from Top to Jungle?

EkkoFroffles··1 votes·1,822 views

Currently, I main top lane with the trio of Garen (54%), Wukong (54%), and Malphite (50%), and my secondary role is jungle. I'm beginning to wonder, though, if that's holding me back. I try to roam with each of them if I'm ahead in lane, but from top lane you can only do so much, even with teleport.

But the jungler has the largest impact on the game and is generally the deciding factor one way or the other. And, while it's not like top, where I'm well versed in every situation, opponent, etc., I cannot argue with results. With Wukong, I've carried teams to victory almost single-handedly. With Amumu, it wasn't until my 7th match with him that I scored my first loss. With Warwick, I did okay (38%) for basically learning on the job with the guy.

It wasn't until I started having some success with Warwick that I began to branch out and look at jungling as more than an "I'll do it if I have to" sort of deal. Now I have more junglers to choose for ranked than top laners. Only played WW, Wu, and Amumu in ranked so far, but there multiple others that I'm just waiting for the right situation to use, namely Vi and Sejuani.

I also plan to continue testing out other junglers, and think some like Jarvan IV, Pantheon, and even Lee Sin could soon join their ranks. I'm also intrigued by Naut, Fiddle, and Shaco, for even more diversity, but just haven't gotten around to trying then yet.

The only reason I can see not to switch over to jungle is the lack of consistency. Top lane, I'm about as consistent a performer as you'll find. I don't feed, I find ways to contribute even from behind, and I practically never truly lose my lane. Jungle, it's a bit more boom or bust. My win rate is higher, I feel I should point out, but I think the smaller sample size might be a factor in that. That all being said, I think I'm tired of being on the island up top. What say you guys?

P.S. Luckily I haven't had many jungler abusing teammates. Those sorts of people could easily turn me off the idea completely?

20 Comments

Shiroi Kitsune2 votes

I think that even if you don't necessarily win more games, jungle is a good role to get proficient at. I really think it has shown me more about total map control and awareness than any other role possibly could. That aside, if you're looking just to win, take which ever you have higher win percentages in/feel you can improve the most in. If you have a 50% win ratio with jungle but feel you still have a lot you can do to improve, you might end up carrying yourself higher with jungle as you learn and adapt, than you will with top if you are stagnating.

EkkoFroffles2 votes

You're right about it teaching map control awareness, which I feel is one of the things I still need to improve at. And since I already win more (in more limited opportunities) as a jungler despite my self-perceived deficiencies, I see no harm in upping my time in the jungle, at least for a "trial period" of sorts.

But, yeah, my first loss with Amumu was really a perfect example from the enemy team of map awareness and control done correctly and a perfect example of the opposite from us. Our vision was nonexistent and their map pressure was huge, making going into even my own jungle a worrying experience.

The guy I was in a duo with went top lane, which I allowed him to have since I knew he was a capable top laner and me also a capable jungler. Except he did what I practically never do as a top laner, which is feed double digit kills. Xin kept popping up and it kept working because he clearly lacked vision and awareness. The only reason his KDA turned out respectful is he went on a lucky killing streak. I say lucky because he was being risky about everything, running past two viable threats just to try and kill one and only escaping because of their failure to capitalize on his stupidity.

After the match he said "if only my team hadn't fed" and I unfriended him for it. He had 10 deaths. Two others had 13, and myself (9) and another teammate had fewer. He fed their top and jungler early on through his own stupidity and refusal to adjust, making me have to tip toe around them myself. I got off a few successful ganks for him, but it was forever before he stopped being a liability.

This is precisely what I need to avoid. Next time, I need to be better, and I need to urge my team to be better, to ward and watch the map, to group with me. We were all at fault, as I told him before unfriending him. They were just better in all phases of the game, and I think learning experiences like this will be what helps me improve the most as a jungler and as an overall player.

Shogunai2 votes

Its funny you are making a post about this not too long ago myself I had the same issue. I am a support main and faithfully supported through season 4 and I wondered if that was holding me back. I then switched to mid for a while, wasn't really happy there, switched to ADC wasn't content there, moved on to jungle an stuck with that for a decent amount of time an felt something was missing. Ultimately I came to realize that Support is where I play my best and have the most game impact an most contribution to the team I'm on. So basically experiment for a while see if jungle suits you more than top lane an if it does stick with it, if it doesn't go back to top lane. If you feel like you can be doing more an can have more of an impact in jungle go for it. If you find that your place is top lane then stick with that and shoot for being the best top laner.

Hope this helps & happy summoning.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

Top lane is certainly where I'm at my best, and the people who go there when I don't often make me feel dead inside they play so poorly, but trying to carry from top lane just often feels like a waste of time. Especially when two of my mains are tanks. There are tons of times when I'm forced to build AD Garen, for instance, just because I'm the only offensive threat, and it's still not enough, despite the crazy crit damage his E can have when you do that.

With support, it's up to you to get your ADC fed and to keep your team safe with wards. Plus most supports in low ELOs are forced into the role, meaning if you're good at it you can really take advantage. With ADC, if you get fed enough, nobody's stopping you from getting even more fed and taking out all their turrets. With mid lane, you can be like a second jungler since both lanes are easily reachable for ganks. With jungle, you're the leader, the one who has the most global impact. But with top lane, you just sort of duke it out in a 1v1 situation for a little while then go front line in team fights, and maybe split push a little. That's about it.

But I'm just going to give it a shot and see what happens, like you did. If top lane ends up being the best place for me after all, I'll go back. I mean, it's not like I'll forget how to top lane, heh. I've played 100+ matches with Garen this season and the mechanics of top lane are rather simple.

Zmuecat1 votes

I'd say switching it up for a little while will improve as a whole because you'll understand the game better from different positions.

But if top is not only where you are the best, but also love being, then there's no real reason to switch from your current position as a top main/jungle secondary in my eyes.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

See, that's the thing. My highest highs jungling are higher than my highest highs top. By that I mean I get much more satisfaction from, say, stealthing in for an unexpected double kill with Wukong, than I do from say, taking down a turret as Garen and getting away alive despite the entire team giving chase the whole way across the map. It might be partly because I recognize I have deficiencies to work on as a jungler and so the little victories I have in spite of them are that much more satisfying in context.

With top lane I'm basically on auto-pilot. Even though I lost my last two matches jungling in ranked, I don't regret choosing that over top because going top so much left me feeling stagnant and bored. Which is another reason I want to jungle more. I've become competent with a wider variety of junglers. If I feel like tanking it, I have Sej and Amumu. If I feel like being almost an assassin, I have Vi and Wu. If I want to power farm and never die in jungle, I have Warwick.

Zmuecat1 votes

I'm on the other end of that, I love taking towers out.

I'd say go for the change. A good jungle has much more options that can lead to that feeling, and is generally something a team would rather have versus a good top 9 times out of 10.

Shogunai1 votes

You can also try other top laners like Nasus for example. He can really carry a game completely on his own. Get enough stacks he can take out towers, win 1v5s had a completely outrages slow ability an with enough stacks he can almost 3 shots opponents.

On the upside about jungling, the champion selection is interchangeable for the most part you can use most of the champions in both roles so this may give you the opportunity to put a little more power in you champ pool.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

I'm okay with farming a ton. I do it with Garen, almost always having the top CS unless I'm having a bad match. But something about a champion who needs it to even be viable doesn't sit right with me. I know he has the highest win rate of top laners in bronze, but I tried him a couple times and he was okay but... I don't know. I'd rather put the proper time in with someone like Darius, who just got a buff on his ult and was already a hyper carry.

I've also been slowly working on learning champs like JIV and Panth who can go in both spots, and considered trying someone like Vi top too.

Shogunai1 votes

I really like Vi as a jungler, maybe look at Wukong too, he really strong this season in both top & jungle. He can also build bruiser or tank depending on what your team needs.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

He's my second most played champ in ranked. His clears early on are rough, but once I get his first jungle item I'm generally pretty good. And once I hit 6, it's probably the smoothest sailing for a jungler clear wise and gank wise that I've encountered. It helps that I tend to build him like a beefier version of an assassin.

ZombieNinja War1 votes

stay top PPL will blame every loss on you if you jungle.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

That doesn't bother me. I already blame every loss on myself anyway unless there were other factors that were clearly to blame, such as an AFK, troll, feeder, etc. Literally, post-match I'll just say the following: "I blame myself. Sorry, guys."

One match, though, I had a guy telling me it was my job to win his lane for him. He was top lane. As Gnar. Against Nautilus. As a jungler, I'm there to help out every lane, but not to single-handedly win lane for you, especially when you're last priority. Snowballing mid and bot, securing objectives. This all comes before top lane, especially when he was out CSing and out-leveling the guy and looked to be in decent position every time I peeked up there, and when our other lanes were in serious trouble.

We ended up winning, thanks in part to the help I gave mid and bot and the dragons I secured. He got his crap straight and went on a kill streak, too, showing he didn't really need my help as much as he said. It also helped that I ignored him after a point. I didn't say another thing to him until I helped him get 2-3 kills. Said "I'm helping you plenty now," and he was all smiles saying we were all helping one another. Winning shuts everyone up and I do that more often as a jungler.

ZombieNinja War1 votes

i LOVE the jungle just not people who thank jungle lost them lane 2 min in.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

Especially when they push in deep, without wards, and die to the most unsurprising gank ever. Or keep calling for help when they're at the enemy turret instead of pushed back to their own. Or when you get off a successful gank bot and your mid laner says not to go hunting for kills when it was just that you were nearby and saw you'd have a 3v1 advantage on their ADC. Or when they act like you don't know what dragon is, like you don't know to go for dragon without them telling you first. Or when they try to tell you what to build at the same time as they're losing lane. Some people, man.

ZombieNinja War1 votes

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Especially when they push in deep, without wards, and die to the most unsurprising gank ever. Or keep calling for help when they're at the enemy turret instead of pushed back to their own. Or when you get off a successful gank bot and your mid laner says not to go hunting for kills when it was just that you were nearby and saw you'd have a 3v1 advantage on their ADC. Or when they act like you don't know what dragon is, like you don't know to go for dragon without them telling you first. Or when they try to tell you what to build at the same time as they're losing lane. Some people, man.

I Wanted to type all that but im lazy lol so TY for saying how i felt. laners smh lol.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

A little followup. Here's what your low ELO top laners are just about all like.

Rengar: "Let's invade." Me: "It's my second time Nautilus, so no thanks." Rengar chills just outside turret range while I'm pinging him repeatedly for a leash. Rengar starts walking down practically as gromp is spawning.

Some time passes, Rengar feeds Lee Sin a couple kills.

Rengar: "Gank plz." He says as I'm the whole way bot lane, his pings making me think he believes I can just teleport up there or something. I go to gank, warding tri-bush just before I go in. Akali shows up in tri-bush for all to see, I ping, and Rengar just continues going after Lee Sin. "An ally has been slain."

Some more time passes.

Lee Sin has pushed Rengar to his turret and a wild Akali appears, once again in clear sight. I ping for him to be careful. He steps out of turret range, gets slaughtered by Akali, probably a good 10-20 seconds after she first showed up on our map. Me: "Rengar... Akali was right there." Rengar: "SO WHAT? ONLY ONE GANK! WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?" Me: "To not feed Akali two easy, avoidable kills."

Some more time passes.

Rengar is nearly killed by one of our enemies, it doesn't matter which one. Rengar: "LOOK AT ALL THAT DAMAGE. SEE." Me: "Um, that's your fault? Maybe you should've done as Wukong said and built tanky."

Rengar's final build: 2 Vampiric Scepters, 1 Brutalizer, Boots of Mobility, 1 Long Sword, and 1 Ruby Crystal. Rengar's final score: 1/8/3, 51 CS (in 24 minutes; 2.1 per minute).

Yes, I screwed up that match too. All my lanes were losing, it was only my second normal match with Nautilus, and I just had some straight up blunders. But Jesus... like I said in match, "you can't fix stupid."

SoulSpliceV1 votes

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EkkoFroffles1 votes

Honestly, all that gets to me are AFKs and full on trolls. That Gnar giving me crap because he's losing lane? Meh. I knew I was in the right helping the struggling mid and bot lanes and trying to secure dragons. And I proved my worth to him by the end of the match. So it's whatever.

EkkoFroffles1 votes

Oh, and since I stupidly have forgotten to say it, thank you everyone for your feedback! :)

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