How do I keep jungle Vayne/Kayle down?

BluePolarizer·Aug 19, 2015·1 votes·835 views

Just lost a game against a jungle Vayne despite FBing her at level 2 and then killing her in a countergank and stealing her camps. Its like if you don't live in her jungle, where laners can easily collapse on you, you can't keep her down. If even one of your lanes loses, now you have a dilemma: do you save that laner or do you keep counterjungling? If you keep counterjungling, the fed enemy laner will now come to kill you easily since you are in their (likely warded) jungle. If you don't counterjungle, Vayne can solo carry her team.

You can't late game against a jungle Vayne/Kayle the way you can against melee devourer junglers. The solution to jungle Yi is CC and burst. It is much harder to CC and burst a Vayne due to her range and mobility alone. Needless to say, Kayle is pretty much invulnerable to burst if played well.

I just don't know how to keep them down if even one lane loses.

5 Comments

Trash MammaIAug 19, 20151 votes

Did you just say jungle vayne? Lmao, that's a free win. Unless the game goes on for 40+ minutes there's no reason other than your team didn't deserve to win that you should lose that.

Vayne no matter where she is, IS a late game HYPER CARRY. If the game goes on long enough for her to get 3-4 items you aren't going to win without instakilling her. That's just how it works.

Kill her. Take her giant camps and leave 1 small one. Ward her jungle up and get your other laners to bother her when you can't.

Kayle is just Kayle. Unless you have someone to cc/instakill her as well so she can't use that stupidly retarded ult of hers you won't do much either.

They're meant to win late game. If it gets there then you're done for

BluePolarizerAug 19, 20151 votes

Yeah I thought it was a free win after I FBed her. Then my solo lanes started losing, she got a BoRK, and then we started losing teamfights. No one on our team had a negative KDA either, she just cleaned up teamfights too well. Vayne's clear speed is surprisingly decent once she has smite upgrade + dagger.

I know "theoretically" what you should do is kill her over and over again, counterjungle, etc. That's the theory of it. The reality of it is that your laners ALSO have to win their lanes. You can help, but if they solo die too many times, you can only do so much. Then you're behind, while Vayne is catching up.

K1LL3R H0RN3TAug 19, 20151 votes

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Did you just say jungle vayne? Lmao, that's a free win. Unless the game goes on for 40+ minutes there's no reason other than your team didn't deserve to win that you should lose that.

Vayne no matter where she is, IS a late game HYPER CARRY. If the game goes on long enough for her to get 3-4 items you aren't going to win without instakilling her. That's just how it works.

Kill her. Take her giant camps and leave 1 small one. Ward her jungle up and get your other laners to bother her when you can't.

Kayle is just Kayle. Unless you have someone to cc/instakill her as well so she can't use that stupidly retarded ult of hers you won't do much either.

They're meant to win late game. If it gets there then you're done for

Well, a minor point to keep in mind is not to just leave one small one. Since she's a single target clearer, you can leave all the minis up and while she'll get a bit more gold from it, it wastes more of her time since she has to attack the small ones 2-3 times each. You usually want to only leave 1 when it's a aoe jungler.

TorenthalAug 19, 20151 votes

For vayne you need some kind of point and click stun, or something that can slow her + make sure you have a pink or upgraded sweeper. In teamfights you just nuke her down.

For Kayle it's a bit tougher. She gets incredibly strong late game - One of the best things you can do is to catch someone off guard and create picks using vision. Then forcing a 5v4 fight at baron.

BluePolarizerAug 19, 20151 votes

5v4 at baron is still dangerous though if Kayle is not dead. She has incredible AOE and if baron is hitting you guys, then she'll pentakill your entire team if her team can tank and CC for her.