I still feel helpless when I face malz as Viktor

LoL Ergo Urgot·4/17/2015, 2:59:09 AM·2 votes·999 views

I can't stop his E unless I purposefully let it hit me. If he R's me I am basically dead, I try to rush but it doesn't build into anything ap, so I have to sell it later and it wastes my gold in the end for me.

His E restores mana, so I usually will go oom before him.

I know you are suppose to hit him with your lazer a bunch, which I can do, but I can't hit everyone every time. Maybe I should level q first. Even when I do, there are , he will just sustain in the early levels and then hit 6 then sad face time.

And when I rush , I have to sacrifice my damage, then wave clearing is more difficult, and my damage falls off. I feel his ganking is stronger too, he can go into another lane and press r, where as vik's only form of cc is really unreliable. This shit bums me out, I can't find a solution.

6 Comments

Only Play Darius4/17/2015, 3:09:09 AM3 votes

You really aren't supposed to beat Malzahar in lane. Even Zed can struggle against him.

However, rest easy because Malzahar is worthless outside of lane, which is why he usually ends up splitpushing, because he has solid waveclear and is difficult to 1v1, but splitpushing is weak in the teamfight meta so you don't have to worry about that either.

Hasztalan24/17/2015, 6:16:04 AM1 votes

go tripple item 1056 and max E to be able to shove the lane. YOu don't beat him on lane, you play vs him like any other lane bullier ( Darius Renekton ). Survive and outscale.

usul12024/17/2015, 6:27:39 AM1 votes

You need to play malz a time or 2. learn the range on his R. Then, when he goes at you, place your W in the way. he can either followup and be interrupted, or back off. your W CD is short, and by mid-game you have the mana to spare it. Great form of delayed CC to waste his ult.

Also, let him push wave. he has nothing to escape a gank. Viktor can farm under turret very efficiently with his Q without pushing (avoid E outside of poke). If malz stays pushed then he's going to get ganked, a pushing malz is one big cash sign to a jungler.

Finally, how to actually punish him. As soon as his E goes down on a high-health minion, shove at him. avoid the minions, but E->Q->AA. If he doesn't help the minion die, it generally wont until he has a few items, and then he's down a lot of mana. his spells have exorbitant costs, and if you make him not get the refund, he's in trouble.

warpenguin5554/17/2015, 3:04:06 PM1 votes

Yeah Malzahar is a pretty big dbag to fight in lane

Magnathar4/17/2015, 2:59:59 PM

Don't build item 3140 on mages, ever. It's not worth it. You are getting MR + the active, but not only does it not build into anything useful unless you are trolling ( item 3139 isn't really ideal for mages, what are you gonna do with the AD? Run and AA?), it also doesn't give you any good stats besides some MR.

If you really want MR, I'd actually recommend you get item 3102 or item 3001 (although don't get vs Malz), and only after your very needed core items. Like, get a CDR or dmg item 1st ( item 3165 , item 3089 , item 3196 ), and if you can survive longer get the other one you didn't get, and if you REALLY are having a bad time mid THEN get . That way he won't be able to easily EWQ+ignite+R you to death... it will at least buy you time so you can react.

I also wouldn't recommend RUSHING a defensive item unless it's item 3157 against Zed .Why? Because you are delaying your damage WAAAYY too much. You have to play careful in the Early Game and just focus on farming and preventing Malz from pushing you all the way and poking you (call for jungler if needed).

Once you have some damage, get 1 defensive item and try to position away from him, and if you suspect he will all-in you, then you can all-in him before it happens. Your "W" has a delayed stun, which you can lay on top of him before he ulties, and will stop him, and with luck you might even be able to R him so if he ulties you at least you also have your dmg up.

If you REALLY need to play defensive, just take summoner 21 . Don't max Q, max E. You will need that for waveclear. Also, bear in mind Malz has a similar if not farther range than you on most of his spells, and his Q can hit you from afar, like your E can hit him, but the position is diferent.

If you really have a hard time dodging his Q and are constantly eating up his E, consider running MS quints or buy boots so you can move faster, and always be careful not to stand next to a dieing minion of your own if his E is on it, you don't want Malefic Visions pass over you for free damage.

Source: been playing since beta, main mid, Diamond 2 Season 4 (on my main account) Hope this helps! Viktor Malzahar