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Black cleaver on Darius?

T RexHasTinyArms··3 votes·1,511 views

So I'm looking to add Darius to my champ pool bc I like lane bullies and he seems interesting. Black cleaver seems like it would be good on him as an AD caster, especially since it helps with his weakness to being kited. Most stuff I have seen for suggested item builds doesn't have it and I'm assuming it just hasn't been updated but what else do you build on him? A lot of builds include hydra, but I'm not sure why that is considered good on him other than clearing waves even faster w/ hydra and q. What is good on him and am I right about new bc?

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Genuwhine1 votes

only play darius as a counter to someone squish like riven ect build full tank with 1 damage item of your choice triforce, black cleaver or hydra. freeze wave spam laugh if he comes close you kill them :D

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

So Darius not worth playing in silver in your opinion?

Genuwhine1 votes

hes worth it in silver just dont play it against dumb tanks use it as a counter like stated. play vs riven, fiora, gangplank , squishys.

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

Yeah but in silver you can crush by knowing the champion well and using something only as a counter is way more limiting. I just won't play him enough times to really master the kit, since I'd have to get top lane from a late pick, and they pick something specific. It'd be such a small number of games.

Adalore1 votes

Black Cleaver is overtly good on him. I wouldn't rush it in most match ups but consider it a part of Darius's core build.

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

What would you consider rushing and where would you stick this in the build? Lke brut into cleaver (that way w/ the 1/2 item and then full item completed you have 40% cdr, some pen, and ms/hp to boot) into defense? Or something else?

Faith Breaker1 votes

Brutalizer is no longer a build item in Black Cleaver's Path. I always build Hydra first because it gives a huge increase in dmg, burst, and sustain. The power spike usually lets me return to lane with it and pick up a kill. If not, it lets me obliterate minion waves for safe cs and lets me farm gold into my next item. It gives me offensive and sustain and the girth to decide which my next item will be (usually boot upgrade) Do I need to itemize armor or magic resist? If I'm doing good I'll probably go into a Sunfire Cape, if I need armor Thornmail or Frozen, and Magic Resist if a MoM

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

Yeah, I meant brute and just leave it bc it is cheaper than building two damage items and gives you CDR cap and tank stats sooner. If hydra is a huge burst though it might be worth, I just didn't see how it synergizes well with Darius kit. Hydra is good for auto attacks I thought, what makes it have synergy with an AD caster? Abusing his bleed stacks w/ the auto reset, or do you just use it to fast shove with q hydra reset and then roam mid after instant clearing the wave? Those are the only ways I see it being super useful.

Faith Breaker1 votes

First and formost the item gives him stats that he uses well. It gives a nice amount of raw AD, and Darius's abilities scale well with AD. Plus, his passive bleed dmg deals Magic Damage that scales off of his Attack Damage stat. So building AD makes your auto's hurt more, makes your q and w hurt more, and causes your bleed to deal additional magic damage. While any item that gives AD does this, Hydra gives alot of AD being outside of a BF Sword built item. It gives Darius outright lifesteal, which helps him sustain, plus it gives him HP Regen as well. Lifesteal applies to the AoE on passive attacks and the Hydra's active.

So it gives him ALOT of hidden sustain while simutaneously giving him more dmg. And yes, it makes every auto attack a mini Q. You basically Auto attack, q, auto attack, and you've nearly wiped the entire minion wave out. Stack on your bleed dmg passive and you should have no trouble picking up the gold and xp on every minion in your wave. And yes the Hydra active does reset his auto's, which means not only do you get the Active's nuke dmg, you sneak in a faster auto thus an extra stack of bleed.

It also helps Darius smash towers. Auto, w, autohydraauto, repeat until w comes off cd. Darius does nasty things to towers left alone to do so. The bonus dmg on his w IS applied to turrets in addition to resetting his auto attacks. If things go well the Hydra can be your only AD item you need, outside of building a Maw of Malmorthius or a BotRK if you have something rediculous like a Volibear, Cho gath, or Rammus on the enemy team (active/passive)

It's an item to me that has a place in every game for Darius, wether he's going full ad, full tank, or bruiser. He makes use of every stat it provides, nothing is wasted. For me, it's a stable item for him. Exceptions on NOT rushing it would be for example vs a Riven. I recently fought one. Started Doran Sheild, Cloth Armor ~ Chain Vest = At this point Riven's trades against me did negligible damage, and I would apprehend her with e each time she tried to back away to further punish her.

When ever her Naut showed up to gank for her, I'd just target and kill him first and turn back on Riven when she comes in trying to collapse. Outside of very few situations you really should buy a Hydra on Darius.

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

Ha, I completely hadn't thought of the w to double reset. I bet that does tons to towers. I really like pushing fast so that is a huge bonus.

Faith Breaker1 votes

When the enemy or jungle shows up while you're hitting the tower just remember to avoid using q to draw turret aggro, if possible stay long enough if your next w if near it's cd Otherwise walk out of turret range and rapid /dance until your next creep wave shows up.

If both enemy and jungler show up, show less swag and more respect and back to the middle of your lane. Losing a whole minion wave (sans the xp and gold sponge from being within range) will NOT hurt Darius if he ahead or even "even" with his enemy. Staying, being cocky, getting ganked, and dieing will hurt him. It will give your lvl advantage in xp and gold to your enemy and bring them even with you or even worse put them ahead.

Gym Leader Yaki1 votes

The most DPS I would go on Darius would be : item 3074 item 3111 item 3071 item 3156 item 3143 item 3110 This is of course in the event you're snowballing and there is little magic damage.

The two items I get almost all of the time are : item 3074 item 3071 and full tank. Hydra is just too good for wave clearing and black cleaver's stats are wonderful on him.

Also, in 100% of my games I will get item 3077 first. If I'm snowballing into item 3074 or if I'm having problems, a defensive item, and upgrade hydra as a second item.

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

Why does hydra work well with Darius? I thought hydra was about the autos and Darius is a caster? I know I'm missing something since everyone suggests it but I don't see what.

Lańce1 votes

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Why does hydra work well with Darius? I thought hydra was about the autos and Darius is a caster? I know I'm missing something since everyone suggests it but I don't see what.

if someone is smart they will push wave to tower with your low wave clear and roam. iF you dont want to master him, use him as a counter pick. You can win with him in silver.

He falls of pretty fast out of laning phase. Since most tanks are used to initiate and tank damage and not be some no mobility no initate no range bruiser.

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

Ah, so basically his q doesn't do wave clear that well so hydra gives the extra push it needs. Would you suggest something else for an AD damage option? I like Darius visuals and lore so I figure I'll be willing to learn him better than most stuff I'd play, and I'd rather play a couple champs I really enjoy that try to pick something bc it is a counter. After all it is silver so if you play it well you win lane with it.

Currently I just play heimer top lane and was looking at picking up Nasus, but I'd want to run CDR quints and I can buy Darius for that ip pretty much, so I was considering picking him up bc he is stronger early and silver you can do well winning lane and then crushing mid game, more so than if you have a whole team wanting to surrender at 25 bc you couldn't help their lanes much as Nasus.

Gym Leader Yaki1 votes

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Why does hydra work well with Darius? I thought hydra was about the autos and Darius is a caster? I know I'm missing something since everyone suggests it but I don't see what.

That's exactly why it's so good. His Q cost a very low amount of mana and deals AOE damage. Hydra active and passive (on hit effect) are also AOE effect. This allows you to clear waves really well, resulting in more pressure from your part. Clearing this fast also allows you to secure more CS.

A typical combo could be AA+Q+Hydra. Once you try it out you'll understand why :P (it also give you life steal, which is a nice added bonus)

Celosar1 votes

Tri-force is REALLY good on dar-bear.

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