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Basic supporting tip: play like you have to farm

MrSc0tty··22 votes·3,403 views

I see this SO often:

"I am a support main. I'm in bronze because my ADCs are stupid, look at my KDA I never die and I ward all over the place!"

Then I go "here let's play a game I'll see if I can at least help you get up to gold, I know I'm not great but bring in bronze must suck" and then we get into lane and they're off in the bush, sitting, waiting to fire a max range Nami bubble or hook, and their carry misses farm because they take harass if they try to go up and get it. And on top of that, I get to be all over their carry so they get killed left and right and post game they go

"See what I have to deal with?"

So guys. Here's the deal. As a support, you want to play like you're an ADC. Pretend to CS. Move up within range of the minions, poke the enemy duo if it's safe, back off a little, poke a little more... If you see an opportunity to use the bush to get even CLOSER, do it, but don't feel tied to that bush. They know you're there. You're not being sneaky. A Silver+ Duo isn't gonna magically forget you're there and move out of position, the best windows of opportunity you're going to get are micro-windows. When the carry moves up to CS. When the enemy support backs off to ward, and they're out of each other's auto range for just a second. When the wave shifts and there's a gap for your skillshots. They are tiny, tiny openings and you need to be close to take advantage.

So if you're stuck in bronze as support, ask yourself "how frequently do I threaten the enemy carry? How frequently do I make sure my carry feels safe to farm? How often am I right there on point when a little opportunity presents itself?"

35 Comments

Vesper1175 votes

People main support in Bronze?!

tempname84681 votes

I do.

DogMonk1 votes

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spawnman621 votes

{quoted} As do i

Me 3. But I started silver.

Dr Endeavor1 votes

People main support in Bronze?!

I did, and got to silver doing it

RookPusher4 votes

I'm glad you wrote this. I'd agree, the only thing I didn't see (I skimmed) was that if the enemies go in on the support, your ADC needs to fire on the enemies. All to often, I don't get the support from my ADC when the enemy engages.

If they have no reason to fear the dive, then they're going to dive.

MrSc0tty5 votes

I'm glad you wrote this. I'd agree, the only thing I didn't see (I skimmed) was that if the enemies go in on the support, your ADC needs to fire on the enemies. All to often, I don't get the support from my ADC when the enemy engages.

If they have no reason to fear the dive, then they're going to dive.

True. Cowardly ADCs, especially against blitz and Leona and definitely Braum, are a big issue. But you can't control their play, only your own.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

OMG adc's who refuse to do anything other than farm are the worst. even worse is when you engage and they run away...

Legostrike3 votes

This is why I love sona.

Wolfeur2 votes

I'm a support main, and I agree with almost everything you say. BUT... What you say is true only for ranged/poker supports. My main champion is Leona and I can't hit anyone without being dealt three times more damage. Leona is a great hard-engage/CC-nuke champion but her harass capacities are inexistent. Secondly, the bush: being in the bush is obvious, but what you are doing in there is unknown. Even though someone knows you're hiding in it, you are STILL hiding! Plus, being in the bush gives the control of the bush, and as long as you have the control of the bush, you have anti-push power. A rarely get out of the bush, except for targon's execution and when the enemy botlane has a lot of colliding skillshots I can tank. What I mean is that being Support can mean many different things in term of gameplay, and you're generalizing the Support role with lane-poking, which is not true.

MrSc0tty1 votes

I'm a support main, and I agree with almost everything you say. BUT... What you say is true only for ranged/poker supports. My main champion is Leona and I can't hit anyone without being dealt three times more damage. Leona is a great hard-engage/CC-nuke champion but her harass capacities are inexistent. Secondly, the bush: being in the bush is obvious, but what you are doing in there is unknown. Even though someone knows you're hiding in it, you are STILL hiding! Plus, being in the bush gives the control of the bush, and as long as you have the control of the bush, you have anti-push power. A rarely get out of the bush, except for targon's execution and when the enemy botlane has a lot of colliding skillshots I can tank. What I mean is that being Support can mean many different things in term of gameplay, and you're generalizing the Support role with lane-poking, which is not true.

Yes, and do you sit and hide in a bush waiting for the opportunity for a max range E?

If so, you're doing something wrong. Your proximity is your threat radius-the threat of a punishing engage. The more you're visible and feinting towards the enemy the more your ADC can safely farm.

Wolfeur1 votes

I hide, but I do not sit. I proc the targon, I intercept skillshots, I ward, etc... I don't know if you play Leona sometimes but she can't poke, not even a little, except when they facecheck and you stun them. I need to wait for a window to engage for a kill or at least an enemy's recall. Leona is a very passive Support between these windows. Even Braum and Thresh can poke with their Q or AA respectively. I don't hesitate to engage if I see that my ADC poked well before but if WE are getting poked, I just retreat and wait for a gank.

MrSc0tty1 votes

I hide, but I do not sit. I proc the targon, I intercept skillshots, I ward, etc... I don't know if you play Leona sometimes but she can't poke, not even a little, except when they facecheck and you stun them. I need to wait for a window to engage for a kill or at least an enemy's recall. Leona is a very passive Support between these windows. Even Braum and Thresh can poke with their Q or AA respectively. I don't hesitate to engage if I see that my ADC poked well before but if WE are getting poked, I just retreat and wait for a gank.

To answer your question, Leona is my third most played champion in ranked, I have around a 75% winrate.

I am not saying that you should poke. I am saying that you should be there, and you should be easily capable of engaging and causing damage any time the enemy duo even thinks about poking. The original point of the post is that you need to move as if you're farming-operate near the minion wave. Not open to poke, but if you don't present a threat at all times your ADC gets slapped silly.

Wolfeur1 votes

I agree with you, there is just that one small detail. As you said:

They know you're there. You're not being sneaky.

Exactly, they know. But they can't see you, which is always preferable IMO (and I love to destroy the wards they place to see me ^^). This still makes you a threat but they don't know exactly where you are and what you are doing. I go in the bush as much as I can (but I don't hesitate to go out when needed). I don't know if I make myself clear?

TehomCD1 votes

The difference is that most players in bronze don't appreciate the 'go out when needed' part to include zoning off harass. Depending on where the wave is, if you're in the brush you may not be able to zone away harass on your ADC when he's last hitting. If you're next to him, you're definitely in range to pose a threat if they choose to try to harass when he goes in for a last hit, and depending on lane matchups that could be too great a risk of an all-in for them to try to poke once with an auto. That's what he's getting at - a lot of supports in bronze don't know that their role is to try to zone people off their carry if they're a tank support, and will passively allow him to be harassed down or zoned.

disregardable1 votes

The interesting thing is that IS how you farm. You get +3 gold for AAing the enemy champs, MORE if you actually bothered to buy spellthiefs. Makes no sense when a support just sits in the bush.

RookPusher1 votes

I rarely take item 3303 because it all but forces you to be aggressive. I often take item 3096 if only because it gives me more flexibility and (imo) more gold.

Pikmints1 votes

item 3096 is definitely a safer form of gold that also offers more sustain, so it's my item of choice more times than not.

I do however take the utility mastery that grants gold on landing basic attacks against enemy champs and I usually am able to get a good chunk of gold out of it. Gotta be careful about trying to get gold with the mastery though if your opponent has item 3303

StealWolverine1 votes

I rarely take item 3303 because it all but forces you to be aggressive. I often take item 3096 if only because it gives me more flexibility and (imo) more gold.

You have to be horrible at using it if spellthief isn't way ahead in gold production. More gold from just the on hit passive easily, and then gp10 on top. I normally get 1k gold end game on not very good games. Have hour 2k on excellent long games.

Dayblazer1 votes

I rarely take item 3303 because it all but forces you to be aggressive. I often take item 3096 if only because it gives me more flexibility and (imo) more gold.

You have to be horrible at using it if spellthief isn't way ahead in gold production. More gold from just the on hit passive easily, and then gp10 on top. I normally get 1k gold end game on not very good games. Have hour 2k on excellent long games.

it depends on your champ. Some champs like morg thrive off item 3098 some get nothing from it.

A Muddy ELF1 votes

As soon as I figure out why my ping spikes no matter where I am playing or what I'm playing on(looking your way riot) add me so we can duo! I love supping a good adc, or at least one that doesnt try to all in every time i poke. Seriously its hilarious in silver how adc's are willing to miss 3-4 cs in a wave to get 1 aa off on the enemy supp.

Dayblazer1 votes

being passive against tank supports (leona/braum/ali) at lvl 1 garentees a lost lane. Cause at lvl 2 they love all ins. Best thing to do is harrass like crazy and back off specially if you have nami and W (which should be your first leveled spell) or Sona.

Edit: Also I agree with your post. Alot of supporting is trying to harrass while not taking any. More often then not when an adc or support go for cs or harrass themselves.

Afk Teemo Ward1 votes

I see this SO often:

"I am a support main. I'm in bronze because my ADCs are stupid, look at my KDA I never die and I ward all over the place!"

Then I go "here let's play a game I'll see if I can at least help you get up to gold, I know I'm not great but bring in bronze must suck" and then we get into lane and they're off in the bush, sitting, waiting to fire a max range Nami bubble or hook, and their carry misses farm because they take harass if they try to go up and get it. And on top of that, I get to be all over their carry so they get killed left and right and post game they go

"See what I have to deal with?"

So guys. Here's the deal. As a support, you want to play like you're an ADC. Pretend to CS. Move up within range of the minions, poke the enemy duo if it's safe, back off a little, poke a little more... If you see an opportunity to use the bush to get even CLOSER, do it, but don't feel tied to that bush. They know you're there. You're not being sneaky. A Silver+ Duo isn't gonna magically forget you're there and move out of position, the best windows of opportunity you're going to get are micro-windows. When the carry moves up to CS. When the enemy support backs off to ward, and they're out of each other's auto range for just a second. When the wave shifts and there's a gap for your skillshots. They are tiny, tiny openings and you need to be close to take advantage.

So if you're stuck in bronze as support, ask yourself "how frequently do I threaten the enemy carry? How frequently do I make sure my carry feels safe to farm? How often am I right there on point when a little opportunity presents itself?"

Yea, most people in bronze and such don't realize that unlike mid, jungle or ADC, being a good support is not a checklist type thing. So much of being a decent support is about complementing the ADC's playstyle in a beneficial way, that there is a huge variety in whats demanded of you from game to game.

ComeOnAndSlamJam1 votes

Good post.

Zen Fury1 votes

As a support, you want to be a THREAT. You want to prevent the enemy ADC from farming. You're not going to do that sitting in a bush. You want to position and poke. If at 20 minutes neither ADC has any kills but your ADC has 170 CS and theirs only has 80 then you have done your job.

Sovreign221 votes

I still refuse to support for any Kalista. I hate losing control of my champion and having someone else move my champion.

juice loosener1 votes

Pfft .. I threaten the enemy carry as often as possible. You really want to make the enemy bot lane feel pressured. it makes them harder to decide when to go in or not because you're not making it safe for them. Having a good harass as support is so important in bot lane. Can't stress it enough.

So I agree with the OP entirely as a support main myself I couldn't agree more.

Volt Cruelerz1 votes

By sitting in the bush waiting for a max range skillshot, aren't you zoning the enemy carry and thus denying CS?

DrewHarkson1 votes

By sitting in the bush waiting for a max range skillshot, aren't you zoning the enemy carry and thus denying CS?

That's only a mind game, but if your constantly in their face and they can't do anything then that is the way to go, but if your tatic of being a support is to "hide on bush"( Faker reference although he's a mid laner) all the time, then you're doing something wrong.

Volt Cruelerz1 votes

I mean, sure I hide in the bush a lot. It's effectively free one sided poke. But if they're good at dodging, I'm gonna try a different strategy. I fail to understand what the OP was suggesting was wrong with hiding in the bush.

DrewHarkson1 votes

Well i think what he meant was that the support should play and zone out the other carry, in all honesty consistent zoning is better than hidding in the bush. I as an adc main (once was support main in ranked teams) think that something like a blitzcrank hidding in a bush isn't as zoning as a sona consistantly Q'ing you. At higher levels something like a blitzcrank becomes easy to avoid.

iJedi1 votes

If it's the only thing the support is doing, it's a problem, and that's what the OP was referencing.

évy1 votes

i love played support in bronze cuz everyone is retarded.... if i just play morg blitz or thresh i hit every cc and most of the time my adc knows how to at least autoattack and i trash lane... its a shame how bad they are down here

Yawnli1 votes

If you poke the enemy champions, minions will start attacking you and this will end up in you making your minions push, not making it possible for your jungler to gank. Check

The Iron Tiki1 votes

I think alot of times when I'm supporting I worry about getting to deep, taking damage and being a burden to my carry instead of a boon. This is a great tip though and I will try to apply it. Sometimes I worry I over poke, especially on braum.

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