Stay Positive and Don't GIve Up

Mat7itan·Jan 15, 2015·14 votes·9,485 views

I played Irelia mid yesterday and the game started off pretty poorly. Our jungle Diana was having a terrible time and being super toxic to everyone on our team. At one point our diana split mid mid in an attempt to back door. Taking the mid inhibitor and rushing on to their nexus. However, she was unable to take the inhibitor (she did alleviate a lot of the pressure the enemy team was applying to us and this was a key part in our winning the game... keep this in mind), so when I respawned I rushed through our jungle leaving our team to defend against the super minion waves and I jumped on their nexus. But like Diana I was not quite able to destroy it. We went back and forth for a while me trying to back door their nexus and the enemy team trying to retake our inhibitors. After one of my failed attempts the enemy nasus, nunu, and blitzcrank killed our diana, kennen, and draven, leaving morgana to defend (their lucian also died). She died shortly after our first nexus tower fell, and once again Diana started saying we lost, and we all sucked, and so on (at this point my team was sick of her), but morgana was able to stall just long enough for me to respawn. Both Blitz and Nasus were at half health and I killed Blitz just as they started attacking our second nexus turret fell. I killed Nasus just after our second nexus turret fell, and killed nun when he was 2 auto attacks from taking our nexus. After this Diana and I suicided a couple times trying to back door their inhib which got it low enough for our draven to back door winning us the game.

Don't give up: Diana started many surrender votes and said the game was over and we lost many times. The rest of our team refused to listen to her and we managed to pull out a win.

Stay Positive: Remember when Diana first attempted to back door and this played a vital role in our win. Well in the after game chat my team was telling me I was MvP and how good I was and such (mostly for saving our nexus in a 1v3) and Diana brought up that her back door played a key part in our win, but the rest of my team just told her she sucked and brushed her off. The reason for this is because she was so negative the entire game. Why give someone credit or acknowledge they did well when they were blaming everyone else for what they thought would be a loss.

Don't give up and you'll win more games, and stay positive and you'll get recognition for your plays and thanks for the good game.

27 Comments

TamatJan 15, 201516 votes

I've come back to win games that were over more times than I can count on both hands. I remember there was a game that I played recently, where I had given up. I was still playing and participating, but I wasn't giving it everything I had, and was voting to surrender as often as I could. It was like 45 minutes in, all three of our Inhibs were down, we had a 15k gold disadvantage, and mid pushed up to their inhib tower. Coming back to win seemed pretty impossible.

The enemy team made a huge mistake engaging Baron with 4 people up, and without clearing wards. We saw what they were doing and rushed over. We stole Baron, insta-gibbed the carry, and then got the ace with only one death. We rushed mid tower and finished off the Nexus before they had everyone back up. All of this happened in just over a minute, it was insane. I stared at my computer with my jaw on the floor for like 5 minutes before I did a victory dance. It was an incredible reminder to never give up.

ChimeiTekinaNasuJan 15, 20152 votes

I've also had comeback victories as well, but I've had a couple funny matches recently. Here. Look at this one. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1695113122/41138796?tab=overview We were losing horribly. Many surrender votes happened. First one was 3/1 failed. I chose not to vote. I could've voted yes and ended it if I wanted to. Then we got a couple kills or something and it was started again, almost thought of voting yes. 2nd vote was 3/2. Full premade team, too. The Katarina was saying no for whatever reason, so I just went with it. Cause longer the match, the more IP you get anyways. =P May as well make the enemy team work harder for their win and earn it. Now here's the best part. They were taking our Nexus and we had another surrender vote for some reason. They're taking Nexus anyways so it's useless at that point. The 4 of them voted yes at the last second, but apparently the enemy started a surrender vote first. So we won and they lost. My team was still sad about the match but I found it hilarious. lol

On a more serious note, I want you to look at this second match, Tamat. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1695772990/41138796?tab=overview We had 2 afks, and you know how that's not very enjoyable, but the enemy made it fun for us. I got a Pentakill in that match, so yay for my ranked stats. A Pentakill on it now. I think it was Twitch and Rek'Sai that raged quit the game. They fed and left. Well, Rek'Sai complained about Riven dying to Garen even though he counters her. Twitch did fine at first but then meh. Enemy was in our base and was saying if I ult all 5, they would run into fountain for me to get Pentakill, and asked if we would surrender if they did that. Though we had 2 afks, we were continuing it anyways for whatever reason so they brought up that fun idea. lol. It took a couple tries. First time I ult'd all 5, apparently 2 were executed. Garen and someone else, the fountain took forever to kill. So yeah. 2nd time, apparently one was missed. Then I finally got it the 3rd time. "Double kill, Triple kill, Pentakill". RIP Quadrakill announcement cause the last 2 died fast enough that it skipped. lol. Then we surrendered. So Tamat. You should honestly reward those 5 people on the enemy team. Because they actually made a match fun for a team with 2 afks and were losing horribly. You know not many people do that, right. A few might, but it's rare. That enemy team was great. I honored all 5 of them, too.

I thought of making a post about that 2nd match. 2afks, but was fun anyways thanks to the enemy team.

WullfJan 15, 20151 votes

I've also had comeback victories as well, but I've had a couple funny matches recently. Here. Look at this one. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1695113122/41138796?tab=overview

OK wat?!

ChimeiTekinaNasuJan 15, 20151 votes

My team tried surrendering a few times. Me and another didn't really care to so it dragged on much longer. We were losing hard. As the enemy was on our Nexus, a surrender vote started. I think as they all gave up, the enemy also started a surrender vote and it took effect first right before they killed our Nexus so we won instead. LOL. My team was still depressed about that match but I found it hilarious at the end.

WullfJan 15, 20152 votes

that, my fellow summoner, is the Toppest of keks

ChimeiTekinaNasuJan 15, 20151 votes

lol

TeslalyteJan 15, 20153 votes

I've often wondered WHY the surrender button exists at all.

It seems to me that since it's there, people will use it... often, and usually when they have plenty of chances to come back into a game.

It's one thing to want to surrender when it's like, 3 - 41 and your team is horribly out-leveled and farmed... but I see people seriously trying to surrender after their team falls behind by less than 5 kills. It's insane to me that somebody would want to give up that easily. It's actually MORE frustrating to me as a player when the rest of my team quits when they aren't even that far behind. Losing a game because 4 people threw their hands in the air early is NOT fun.

My logic is: You will lose 100% of the games you surrender. You should at least FIGHT for victory... what do you have to lose otherwise? Time? If you were winning or ahead, you'd be spending that time playing anyways.

I like to imagine a game where the surrender button didn't exist. Would people stick with it in games they would have otherwise surrendered? Or would we see a spike in "im done afk at base" situations? I would like to think it'd be the former.

YormaughmJan 16, 20152 votes

I wish I could upvote this 1,000 times. I think I've seen a surrender vote in 90% of the normals I've ever played. Normally well before the 30 minute mark. It's insane that people think the game is over that early. I mean if that's the case the moment the enemy ADC gets 10 CS on your ADC, you may as well surrender, right?

Like you said there are some instances where you're like 3 - 41 where it makes sense, but mostly I consider spamming surrender to be more toxic than a lot of other negative behaviors. If you're not gonna try to do something difficult (like come back from a slight disadvantage) why play at all?

AerialBladeJan 15, 20151 votes

If you've survived 45 minutes, the game is even, or probably in your favor if you were behind for most of it. Normally this is when comebacks happen.

ReikrakJan 15, 20154 votes

I disagree 100% with this post, that's simply not how things work. The reason most people surrender and are negative is not because they're losing the game, it's because of the way the team plays the game when they're losing. People try to surrender and are negative because it's simply not fun to try and win a completely lost game by yourself. I remember this one game where we were losing really hard, and I kept thinking to myself "It's ok, we'll win this... we can still turn around". Then, at some point as I'm trying to protect our nexus turrets from the enemy super minions I can't help but think "I can't protect this on my own... why isn't the rest of my team with me trying to kill all these minions?". As I look at the minimap I see the adc and the support in our jungle killing the golems, our mid lane wondering around the jungle too, and the jungler was dead I think.

How am I supposed to stay positive and not give up ? We have super minions in our base destroying our turrets and the 3 members of the team beside me go kill the jungle monsters?! Like I said, it's simply not like this post puts it. It's impossible to stay positive and not trying to surrender when the rest of your team is composed by 3 potatoes who can't even tie their shoes.

RueianJan 15, 20153 votes

Some people give up to avoid being toxic to their team. When their team doesn't want to let that player leave, that situation turna worse as that player is probably on tilt. Riot has clearly made the game not about winning but rather about not getting upset at people. Keep in mind, not giving up might cause someone on edge to fall off and start yelling

Leti the YetiJan 15, 20152 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1696546654/217735621?tab=overview I know that feel It hard to tell from the score but Riven was getting fed, Rengar was getting fed Top,Mid,Bot all lost lane and I get hard countered by Teemo They got the first 2 dragons We didnt get our first tower till 24 minutes into the game and they even got our inhibitor first

and then ashe went aimbot hax and landed some stupid ults and holy shit, like magic we wins the game lmao!

NethOinkzJan 15, 20152 votes

I'm surprised too by how fast people in this server surrender. I'm from ph btw, my home server is thousand times more toxic than NA though.

But to me, that diana just sounds like tired of having teammates lose their lanes.

My suggestion to everyone is please play better. If you can't win lane at least don't frickin feed.

Yulen XoshxiusJan 15, 20151 votes

They might be doing it for the ip and just want to rush another game. :/

RoyaiChaosJan 15, 20152 votes

Lux Stay positive :D

GallowgrimJan 15, 20152 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1622729564/220709390?tab=overview

Probably one of my favorite matches ever. A total, unrelenting bloodbath that looked absolutely doomed for my team more than once, and things looked exceedingly bleak at the 32 minute mark. But then we rallied, I split-pushed the bot lane hard as I could to open up a second front,and we won with a whopping one tower left to our name.

Believe, people. BELIEVE!

F33dMeKillsJan 15, 20151 votes

All in the strategies and tactics. Tactician's are successful in League : ).

Mat7itanJan 15, 20151 votes

Yeah. I was trying to get my team to go top so I could split bot (mid inhib was down) and our Diana was really pissy giving me shit along the lines of who made you boss and such. There is no point to go mid with the inhib down and if you all come bot with me the enemy nasus continues to push and no one on my team could 1v1 him because he had a super free lane.

I just lost a game because my team wouldn't group top with the other inhibs down and they would have rather died mid, but no according to the summoner level 6 diana I had no idea what I was talking about lol

BD WiltonJan 15, 20151 votes

Half the games are lost in champ select with horribad comps and enemy teams that have 2 to 3 players that should've been banned

CupcakeraptorrJan 15, 20151 votes

lol no I'd rather save 30 minutes in a game I may or not win and start the next one.

WullfJan 15, 20151 votes

I am mostly never giving up. once we won game with one intentionally feeding player who was all "we cannot win this, i am gonna feed", but he changed his mind after we showed him that all is not lost. It was overwhelming victory after that.

Knowing this it makes me hella angry when I have games like yesterday when having three late champs (Kog, Cass and Sion) two of them decide that we cannot win this and start voting surrender in 25 mins of the game. And later going AFK.

But then there are games when you know that you could win but still rather surrender because you just dont want to play with that kind of teammates. You know, these games that just suck every bit of energy and will from you. (though I would never surrender Ranked. There is always hope of power cut or meteorite impact)

NorthernDruidJan 15, 20151 votes

There are times when pulling through that win is just too painful to do. Like when we manage to snag baron and half their team and Jinx decides to recall instead of push top with me (Leona) probably in fear of the stray fed Yasuo that had survived and which we spotted nearby.

We could definatively have taken Yasuo and at least one inhib with the super minions, but as tank Leona there was really nothing I could do on my own.

My team was unresponsive as heck, no co-ordinated grouping of ny kind and while we still won in the end, we did not deserve to nd the enemy should've won 10-15 minutes before we did.

The games when you win lane hard but don't manage to snowball out of it because Darius lost his lane hard and Yasuo is now fed, and the Darius refuses to group mid because of his lag, so we're losing mid to them and no one finds a response, they won't group for dragon after a clean double kill bot or anything.

Winning a game you feel like you lost 25 minutes ago isn't fun. When you get Baron but don't manage to make any use of it, then you're certain you didn't deserve that game.

That's when you wish your team had surrendered at 35.

Because some wins are too exhausting to pull through, and doesn't feel rewarding enough.

AFK PushJan 15, 20151 votes

I'm going to give a different example, and tell you to surrender when the game becomes unwinnable. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1691110487/49620597?tab=overview

I was forced to jungle (which I hate now ever since the season changes, because I don't have the hang of it still), the morgana was against a fiora, garen against a lee sin, and trist/blitz vs ashe/alistar. I was more focused on mid and top, and it looked like top was the only lane that wasn't losing. It got to the point that everyone on their team got fed, and garen was the only one that wasn't feeding. The problem was that he was building full tank which wasn't needed. I saw this game as unwinnable especially with how fed that ashe was.

I was the only one that wanted to surrender, because I found the game a waste of time. When I voted for surrender everybody said no, and said things like, "surrendering is for pussies," and "what about the ip?"

I don't care about ip, especially in a ranked game. I play ranked to get better, therefore, I want to win. If I can't win, then I want out of an unwinnable game, and the chance at a new game to win. I don't feel like wasting my time with 4 uncooperative people, who do not know when a game is lost.

slippykittenJan 15, 20151 votes

I am not going to defend the Diana, but sometimes it isn't that it is IMPOSSIBLE to come back and win, sometimes it is just so frustrating playing with players that refuse to make good choices that you would rather just end the game. Sometimes playing with certain people makes the game so miserable you would rather surrender than win anyway. Just an FYI (not necessarily implying you are one of those people)

SupaDevilJuiceJan 15, 20151 votes

I dunno. Since the changes to the way structures work I haven't had a comeback game yet. Seems like whichever team loses an inhibitor first loses the game no matter what.

Not sure what it is, but it just seems like after that one is down, whichever team destroyed it gets 2 jungles free dragon/Baron or free kills since you'd have to 4v5 them, or rush which usually leads to someone getting caught out.

This is speaking from defending AND assaulting sides. Had games we won cuz of it. Had games I've lost cuz of it.

Baron SuperBraveJan 19, 20151 votes

claps in mind Yay

SolelsJan 19, 20151 votes

This post is fucking stupid. It doesn't matter how much experience or skill you have; champions kits are blatantly overpowered. Even if you know what you should do against a particular champion, it doesn't matter because their kit is overpowered. For instance, Ahri. I fought her just now; I went in knowing exactly how I would fight her and what she would be doing. Guess how the game went? I ended 1 and 7. My 1 kill was a suicide for a support. No matter how hard you try you are going to lose unless you are one very fucking lucky person. This game requires nothing but a group of people with strangely good luck; nothing more. Anyone that says "just keep practicing and try to get better and be positive" is fucking full of themselves. It isn't about being positive or having experience or being good. It is all about luck, and that is how it always will be. Fuck riot.