My thought's on Bloodthristier Vrs Hydra

TheFallenShaw·Nov 23, 2014·1 votes·1,231 views

Lately I've seen alot of people taking over

Why? let's compare Stats +80 Ad +20% life steal +Overheal shield max 350 Cost = 3500

+75 AD +12% Life Steal

Aoe - 20-60% ad damage to near by enemies
Active - deals 60%-100% ad damage to near by enemies resets attack animation Cost = 3300

Pro's and Cons

Pro's Nice Ad Great Life steal Nice shield for early/mid game Con's Single target use Cost 200 more gold Shield becomes less effective late game Costly Build path aka :

Pro's Nice AD Deal's Aoe damage Has active that resets attack Has Life steal Great wave clear 200 cheaper Easy build path. Con's 5 less AD No hp shield

In Game Usefulness

The only two things I can say this thing has over hydra is its exstra 5 AD and the shield so lets look at what those have to offer

5 AD with tri force and 100% crit from at 250% damage 5*2(for the proc of ) = 10 AD 10AD crits at 250%( ) = 25 exstra AD

Shield meh, 350 hp boost that isnt always there, good for aborbing some damage but late game with people hitting for 1500 to 2000 not really that great.

Allows you to get CS like crazy allowing you to get full build 15mins earlyer than you would with Blood.

Its Active is a beast just look at what happens for example I'll use Ashe with 100% crit and tri force above

Ashe uses W or E to proc Tri force 75+75AD = 150 ad next attack hits enemy basic attack 150AD crits (1502.5) = 375 then activate hydra which resets attack animation hits for 75 ad that crits again bc of the 100% crit chance we are using 752.5= 187 Ashe hits her W which procs Tri force again 375 damage again

just basic attacks just dealt : 375+187+375 =937 damage in under 2 seconds, she would still have her ult and that shield of Blood's is gone. This damage doesn't even count the damage she has dealt with her W.

and fyi she just healed for 122 hp.

In conclusion

I would just like to say for the sake of your team, Never ever pick Blood over Hydra the 5Ad and shield will never equal Hydra's passive strength I honestly can not think of even 1 reason why to take it over hydra. If the enemy team's focusing on you, don't be the one to engage the fight let your tanks do that, after all its their job to start the fight, It's your job to finish it.

Ps: Yes this goes for you Ranged champions too.... Bc guess what? you don't get the wave clear but you still can use the active. Would you rather have a shield or 2 basic attacks Mr adc?

11 Comments

WiththegoodriceNov 23, 20142 votes

On .... ADCs?

Commit SudokuNov 23, 20141 votes

lol not even 200 wins under your belt.

waits patiently for the day you notice the flaws in your own logic (atleast for the hydra on ranged champions logic)

TheFallenShawNov 23, 20141 votes

lol not even 200 wins under your belt.

waits patiently for the day you notice the flaws in your own logic (atleast for the hydra on ranged champions logic)

My win's do not affect my views thus the title troll, And what exactly is my flaw with the math on useing hydra over Blood on a ranged champion? Bc without any item besides blood and hydra your looking at 1 aa attack for blood and 2 for hydra. Maybe my maths wrong but I do believe 150 is > 80. Acutally let me refraise that at max range its 120 damage vrs 80 and at min range its 150 vrs 80 damage.

Commit SudokuNov 23, 20141 votes

its not the amount of wins its the lack of experience playing this game assuming that you have a 50% winrate (although I believe is lower) you have played about 284 normal games and what looks like just your placement ranked games (where from this post I believe you would slowly overtime get demoted to a bronze rank if you did continue to play) if you are assuming I have 50% winrate (mine is slightly above) even though I know exactly how many games I have played for kicks and giggles we would have to say 2234. You have played 12% of games that I have played meaning I have much more experience at playing League of Legends than you now this could mean nothing if I didn't apply myself to become better at the game. Seeing that I also play ranked and I am a tier above you this should mean I know a thing or 2 about league of legends. I can point out multiple flaws in your logic right now for instance Ravenous Hydra doesn't actually reset your auto attack animation it simply uses your auto attack animation as a visual for its activation meaning that you could use it in the middle of your auto attack and it would appear to have reset but it actually isn't there are many videos on youtube that prove this and I have tested it multiple times myself. So in my mind I think it is quite funny to look at the ramblings of an inexperienced and ill informed player because I used to have this type of logic myself. I am not trying to make fun of you in anyway but I made a simmilar post about this back when I was inexperienced and when I went back to it I literally laughed at myself.

TheFallenShawNov 23, 20141 votes

To those who want to bash me because I'm still considered new, It doen't take 10,000 wins to make a good item build. It takes doing the math on the items.

example would be which would be better early game IE or Botrk, You have to factor in the AD of both items AS of botrk, Crit chance of IE, passive 8% of botrk to figure out which has the better burst damage, compile all of this with the number of attacks you would get with both over X time to = damage/burst/and peel. And you don't need to play a single game to figure that out. Its simply numbers.

TheFallenShawNov 23, 20141 votes

Again I simply argue the point of my numbers, number's don't lie. And fine hydra doesn't reset your aa it gives you one then in between auto attacks which is could be argued as the same thing since in the time it would normally take you to make 2 auto attack you get 3, or in the time of 1 auto attack you get 2.

My math is still valid, it doesn't matter how many games I've played 2+2 will always = 4 dumb dumb

My ramblings simply show that hydra is better than blood thristier in almost every way.

You my dear friend are targeting me simply on the basis that I've had less than 300 games. To the exstent if I came on the forums and Said Ashe was a ranged champion you would say I was wrong that she was melee and that you were right because I have not played 2k games.

Just because a person hasn't played as much as you does not mean they are automatically wrong about what they are saying.

7ha7guy777Nov 23, 20142 votes

spellblade can't crit. the damage it does is based off of the champion's base attack (the amount of attack you have before runes, masteries, and items) so the spellblade would just be extra damage added on to the attack. if you have 210 AD (30 from trinity force, 80 from infinity edge, and 100 base) using an ability then critting will result in 725 damage [200 from spellblade + (210x2.5=525)].

Nagoh ShanNov 23, 20141 votes

Go into a custom game and buy Tiamat/Hydra on Ashe and see what happens.

Don't just buy it though, try to use it.

WeGNov 23, 20141 votes

Stopped reading when he used Ashe as a comparison for Tiamat.. It's melee only

EffectFXNov 23, 20141 votes

Would you rather have a shield or 2 basic attacks Mr adc?

On a squishy ass marksman? the shield.

TheFallenShawNov 23, 20141 votes

I used ash as an example bc it was the first champion i saw that was ad, and you have to be in the hydra's range for it to work. No I'm not saying buy the hydra on a ranged champion really I was just saying its better than blood on a ranged champion I'd rather buy a 2nd IE before buying blood