My job as a mid laner is control my lane?

Taygai·Mar 19, 2015·1 votes·1,337 views

So this is a little confusing. I was just playing a ranked game. Myself (Azir) vs Fizz. He roams top after they attempt to tower dive their jungler (sejuani) and shyvana. Both my top and jungle get out alive, but fizz comes and cleans up. Not only is my team but the enemy team is telling me it's my job to control my lane. I've always felt Azir is a pretty horrible roamer unless the enemy team has 0 vision. So I just farm it out and call missing when they are, which I did. From that double kill he snowballed incredibly hard.

Is there something I did incredibly wrong? You can see my stats, it was to a point where he was able to tower dive me, after 3 deaths I kinda stopped trying to 1v1 him, but he hunted me down all game. So...

14 Comments

3tysonMar 19, 20153 votes

You can try and folow up if they roam turning 2v3 i a 3v3 But you could also call out missing and try and get tower if they feed him double you cant do much

Skia AsteriMar 19, 20152 votes

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You can try and folow up if they roam turning 2v3 i a 3v3 But you could also call out missing and try and get tower if they feed him double you cant do much

Following an assassin is extremely risky if you are squishy, as they could drop a ward and ambush you if they see you follow. As such your options are to push or to roam to the other side lane.

3tysonMar 19, 20151 votes

Folow up trough other route but its probertly best to ping mia and ping the lane hes goinf to fall back

grimreefaMar 19, 20152 votes

yes, it is ALWAYS your job to ward and call mia.

top and bottom ward river brush, mid ward both brushes.

soon as laner goes away for more than 45 seconds (roughly how long it takes him to buy and return after back) call an MIA.

TaygaiMar 20, 20151 votes

Except what happens when you're on bottom side and enemy is top side, and they go through their jungle to top? How does a river brush ward help then? It doesn't...

I call an mia as soon as I lose vision of them and if they're gone for more than 10 seconds I usually do multiple pings (2-3) in succession to make it clear. Yet I still have people go "y u no call mia?"

MahautsukaiMar 20, 20151 votes

Only touching point on your last statement. You really can't take to heart people who call you to task on something untrue. Such as if you called MIA and they get ganked then blame you for not calling. They are just stupid, inattentive or touched in the head, not much to do there but to ignore anyone that fail.

The Loli BullyMar 19, 20151 votes

Well you might not like the answer, but you picked Azir. He's pretty useless.

TaygaiMar 19, 20152 votes

I wish he wasn't. I've loved his concept and put up with his bugs since release. I tried to justify his "nerfs" were too much, but someone tried to convince me they weren't that big. I fail to agree. Regardless, thats not the point.

I wish he wasn't so useless. Such a good concept gone to waste.

FizzOnMyJayce123Mar 19, 20151 votes

You just have to know what you should do in terms of follow fizz, or take tower. Earlier in the game it's almost stupid to stay in lane and take the tower because you won't do anything to it. It might be a good idea to follow him and make that 1v2 to a 2v2 or possibly even your jungler

FHMarshyMar 19, 20151 votes

TBH, the fact that your laner is benefiting another lane with roaming and you provided nothing in return is, in some sense, your fault.

In this scenario, I'd suggest you to , in early game, roam and gank one of the two adjacent lanes (top or bot) and pressure non-turret objectives (Dragon or Enemy Buffs).

In the later stage of game, you can add in tower pushing into your objectives.

TaygaiMar 20, 20151 votes

How do you pressure a gank at level 3-4 azir? Is that even possible? Assuming bottom lane for example is frozen at mid, at neither tower, how do you pressure a gank that way if the support doesn't have any CC? Azir doesn't have burst damage like an assassin and doesn't have any amazing cc until 6. Basically can't make plays until he's 6. What about other mages for example that aren't assassins? Karthus? Cassiopeia? There are a few mages who have hard CC at early levels, but if I don't, then how do you make ganks successful in lanes that don't have hard cc?

FHMarshyMar 20, 20151 votes

At level 3-4 you can ask your jungler to help a wave push at bot. At level 3-4, tower dive could be possible in a 4v2 situation, but don't force it.

Once you push the waves, take the dragon.

RogueWillMar 20, 20151 votes

Clear wave (push it to his turret) then follow him (make sure it is a delay) come from the safer places thou( tri bush, towers) so you don't get flanked. If favorable enagage once is 2v2 or 3v3, if not just discourage him to keep top/bot. Still ping as long as it leaves

CHEAT ENGINE ssdMar 20, 20151 votes

If you roamed top you would have been alone with fizz in the river, or at the least, risking it. With your jungler being up there, dragon is not an option. If your bot lane was under pressure, you could have roamed bot. If your bot lane was pushed, and your jungler and top were already top, you could have risked going up the river relying on flash and your WQE combo to get away if you encountered fizz.

The only really despicable thing you could have been doing would be slowly last hitting in mid. It would be acceptable to be roaming, backing, or pushing your lane to reset minion wave or something.

If you are unable to answer in some way, enemy agression, that is always the mistake that costs the game. Not easy to do.