Is it just me, or are nearly 80% of #1's Assassin comps now?

Illabethe·Jul 18, 2019·3 votes·957 views

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I've played about 20 ranked games so far, and here's what I've seen so far:

Literally every single comp that supposedly "has the synergies" to win #1 has been an Assassin Comp. I've tried Yordle; get knocked out around #3. I've tried Demon: get knocked out around #2-4. I've tried Brawler: get knocked out at #2. I've tried Shapeshifter comps backed by dragon/sorcerer: get knocked out #3-4.

The only comp that consistently gets #1 seems to be assassin comp with some sort of tank in front of them.

The only build that I've seen that comes even close is Noble, and it too loses to Assassin Comp, even with all the armor/heals.

So.... I just went and just dominated on first try in awhile.

By the last 2 players, I was still 47 HP and they were 2 HP. The other player ran 6 Nobles and one of those was a 3 star Lucian with 2 SoS..... along with 3 other 3stars.

Maybe Assassin needs toned down a little?

14 Comments

NeX DaarkJul 18, 20193 votes

The AI is not coordinated enough to allow board positioning to overcome how braindead assassins are.

Kat, Akali, or Pyke all have the ability to end the match by getting one ability off. It needs to be changed and I have no idea how it has made it this far without being nerfed.

Panthaz89Jul 18, 20192 votes

I won 2 games in a row against Assassins once by throwing 2 star Yasuo in the corner against them another by having 3 star Kennan blow them all up when they jumped on my team around him since he was in the middle. They always jump to the farthest champ away so you can pretty much force them to jump to a spot you want them in. The comment that they are "weak" however is asinine because they can still get lucky and crit through if you don't have one or two PDs on your team and getting 2nd place certainly isn't weak. The problem is that you don't know you are facing assassins until you are facing them in the very last set of rounds so typically they place near the top because no one is formed just to beat assassins yet because you will probably lose if you used that same formation against another team.

NTrumpWeTrustJul 18, 20192 votes

Assassins are broken af. The top players are pretty much in agreement with this.

BarkleyJul 18, 20191 votes

idk what rank you are or where you're playing, but I smash assassins all day without even trying.

Id even say they're weak right now.

Literally all you have to do is not put your important champions on the outer limits of your composition. Thats it. And if you're really scared about it, stack some armor. Thornmail is actually pretty decent now. Phantom dancer was ALWAYS good, and still is. But honestly you don't even need items -- just don't put your carries as your furthest unit away.

Look at other people's boards before you fight. If you see someone stacking assassins (and there's probably only one) -- move your army to counter it. They jump to the furthest unit. Make it something like a kassadin or a knight or a brawler that can keep them at bay long enough for your squishies to acquire new targets. Assassins are some of the lowest health units in the game, even at 3 stars they'll get melted if literally anyone's paying attention to them.

A 2 or 3 star phantom dancer morgana with a little bit of armor and maybe a redemption will single-handedly wipe an entire assassin comp off the board.

A morellonomicon garen with a little bit of armor will single-handedly wipe an assassin comp off the board.

Instead of saying something is broken or OP, figure out how to beat it.

IllabetheJul 18, 20193 votes

You do realize that assassins don't just all go for the furthest unit?

Pyke almost immediately after he dives uses his skill to go right back to the front. Kha seeks the weakest unit. Katarina will go to the back, but if she has a pre-primed mana pool will kill 3-4 people in the first 5 seconds. Zed, although he doesn't mention it, seems to have longer range of attack than other assassins and has smarter AI.

P.S. you didn't read the post. I mentioned having a front line. I had a 3 Star Darius, and 2 Poppies to ensure all champs were on them, not my assassins.

P.P.S. I did beat it. By not relying on RNG, and adopting it myself. You talk counterplay of buying certain items, but those items 1) mostly only affect one champion at a time and 2) need the right components.

3 games back for example, I had a guy build a full Noble team with an immortal Garen by the second Carousel (Thornmail, Warmog's, Hextech). People starting chatting to get Morello/Red buff, but you know what? Only 2 people by the end of the game could purchase ONE of them, and those people STILL lost to him, because it's "just one person."

(Effects that completely Disarm a champ or put them out of the game are far stronger than items that apply a mitigating effect to a champ)

BarkleyJul 18, 20191 votes

You do realize that's literally EXACTLY how assassins work? They DO target the furthest champion.

Assassin AI: 1.) Jump to furthest target 2.) Oh no, I can't actually land there. 3.) Find an adjacent spot 4.) Attack closest target 5.) Oh shit I can't actually reach 6.) Acquire new target.

So if you see that someone's stacking assassins, you put a brawler or two in the back, put your squishies in the middle, and put a brawler or two in front. (or tanks, or any other resilient unit)

Its not fucking hard.

Downvote me all you want -- I'll beat assassin and you won't until you realize you're wrong. Idgaf.

ToadwartJul 18, 20192 votes

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idk what rank you are or where you're playing, but I smash assassins all day without even trying.

Id even say they're weak right now.

Literally all you have to do is not put your important champions on the outer limits of your composition. Thats it. And if you're really scared about it, stack some armor. Thornmail is actually pretty decent now. Phantom dancer was ALWAYS good, and still is. But honestly you don't even need items -- just don't put your carries as your furthest unit away.

Look at other people's boards before you fight. If you see someone stacking assassins (and there's probably only one) -- move your army to counter it. They jump to the furthest unit. Make it something like a kassadin or a knight or a brawler that can keep them at bay long enough for your squishies to acquire new targets. Assassins are some of the lowest health units in the game, even at 3 stars they'll get melted if literally anyone's paying attention to them.

A 2 or 3 star phantom dancer morgana with a little bit of armor and maybe a redemption will single-handedly wipe an entire assassin comp off the board.

A morellonomicon garen with a little bit of armor will single-handedly wipe an assassin comp off the board.

Instead of saying something is broken or OP, figure out how to beat it.

You are speaking without any basis in reality. Heres a fact, in the twitch rivals tournament, 94%+ of all teams won with the ninja-assassin comp.

BarkleyJul 18, 20191 votes

Yeah. NINJA assassin. Not just the stupid 6-assassin BS you see in actual play.

Do you know how hard it is to get 4 ninjas in a normal game without gimping yourself?

Get outta here. Sorry you get beat by assassins constantly. I don't.

ToadwartJul 18, 20192 votes

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Yeah. NINJA assassin. Not just the stupid 6-assassin BS you see in actual play.

Do you know how hard it is to get 4 ninjas in a normal game without gimping yourself?

Get outta here. Sorry you get beat by assassins constantly. I don't.

Apparently it isnt hard at all, I just said 94% of the people in the 64 person twitch tournament used it since the latest patch.

BarkleyJul 18, 20191 votes

and I said go ahead and keep losing to assassins. I'll keep beating them.

idk why you're still here.