What's going on with Gameplay moderation today?

Illabethe·Nov 4, 2019·27 votes·12,049 views

I posted in 7 different threads which WERE gameplay related threads, and ALL of those threads are now gone/moved.

Someone has been heavy handedly using their tools for awhile now.

Riot: You know what doing this does? It doesn't stop people from making new posts that say the same exact thing; But it does give the illusion your game is dying because 70% of the posts are getting Archived and only leaving behind the meme posts that don't make people think.

I've went through 3 days without Gameplay looking like it had updated posts this week. I thought people were just refreshing the same topics. But instead it's a moderator destroying all the new topics.

48 Comments

HotarµNov 4, 201914 votes

They remove any content considered to be low effort and non-constructive.

...it's Gameplay, there are a lot of those.

Ironically enough, this post could be removed because it's not in Discuss the Boards.

IllabetheNov 4, 20196 votes

And it probably will. I posted fully expecting a countdown.

Also, even if an OP is nonconstructive and low effort, that doesn't mean the following ones are.

Furthermore, the posts being left behind seem to be the most nonconstructive posts here. The ones they are deleting are the ones that evoke deliberation and thought (even if the OP started with a 2-3 liner thought that was responded to by players like you or me).

HotarµNov 4, 20192 votes

Also, even if an OP is nonconstructive and low effort, that doesn't mean the following ones are.

Furthermore, the posts being left behind seem to be the most nonconstructive posts here.

I didn't see all the removed posts so I can't really offer much more than what I said before.

The mods don't see every post that gets created, most of the time those posts have to be reported to get removed. As you can see from Eedat's and my response, a lot of people think the Gameplay board is largely a joke and as such, many people report them.

The ones they are deleting are the ones that evoke deliberation and thought (even if the OP started with a 2-3 liner thought that was responded to by players like you or me).

Thought and constructive replies on a non-constructive post doesn't change the fact that... it's still a non-constructive post.

IllabetheNov 4, 20195 votes

One was about someone observing Faker's shaking hands and suggesting that Riot's increase in game reaction speeds have compelled players to play at a rate that exceeds the DPI and click speeds their bodies can process. The author was Diamond I, cited their 9 year playing history as having a like problem.

That's getting deleted now.

Not like suggestions to slow things down ever do anything but bounce of walls.

For what it's worth; I agree with him. My hands aren't shaking yet, but that's because I moved away from champions like LB and Nidalee and toward simple clickers like Morgana and Zyra. My thumbs are permanently aching though.

And the second response doesn't null the fact that a thread is more than its Original post. And a lot of still existing current posts are still thoughtless garbage.

HotarµNov 4, 20191 votes

One was about someone observing Faker's shaking hands and suggesting that Riot's increase in game reaction speeds have compelled players to play at a rate that exceeds the DPI and click speeds their bodies can process. The author was Diamond I, cited their 9 year playing history as having a like problem. (cont.)

I don't know if I agree with that removal in particular if that's all it was.

Maybe it was just removed for being in the incorrect spot, that could work in eSports, Concepts & Creations, GD, or Gameplay. It's kind of up to the mod's discretion. Could also be that the OP deleted it themselves although that's unlikely

And the second response doesn't null the fact that a thread is more than its Original post. And a lot of still existing current posts are still thoughtless garbage.

The responses aren't "on trial" after they've been reported, the base post is.

KovorixNov 4, 20192 votes

They had Gameplay+ with very well written posts, and they ignored ut and renamed it RANT. So you know how well they think about posts, they don't care.

HotarµNov 4, 20195 votes

Actually, Gameplay+ was removed because it was completely dead and required consistent moderation, something that's hard for the volunteer team to do.

Logically, it doesn't even make sense to say they "renamed" G+ to RANT because they're polar opposites. One had well thought out discussions, the other has posts like "Fuck Yasuo dumb champion cancer."

IllabetheNov 4, 20194 votes

Yet now they are constantly moderating common chat channels? Where'd all the volunteers come from?

SukishooNov 5, 20192 votes

It's not really that, they had to have each post get approved before they showed up in G+. So you have to have people actively avaliable to look over and make sure it matches with the guidelines they are looking for. That's different than people reporting a post and a mod looking at it to see if it needs action.

I've been part of communities where we had to disable normal sign ups because of an influx of bots and mods would have to approve each sign up. You have to go and look over each profile and verify it's a real person. So they had to do something similar for G+ since they wanted those to be high quality discussions. Moderating various posts based on a report that comes in doesn't actually take much time compared to something like that.

DuskDaUmbreonNov 5, 20193 votes

There's a significant difference. For normal board usage, mods can either delete poor-quality posts as they find them or just wait for the post to be reported. Generally if something doesn't get a report it doesn't need to have action done to it, so the community itself does a significant amount of the initial work by themselves.

For G+, they had to approve each and every single post before it could be allowed to appear. Instead of just checking to see if a report is valid or not, they have to screen every post.

The "volunteers" that materialized out of thin air are people who have been reporting the low effort posts.

Linna ExcelNov 4, 20194 votes

Gameplay+ died because the mods wouldn't let you critique riot at all and were way too severe about not letting stuff in. In doing so they told the community that "thoughtful posts aren't welcome". They didn't move posts they didn't like to the normal gameplay boards. They didn't take thoughtful posts on gameplay and move them to gameplay+ as a way of highlighting good OPs.

IMO they've got no right to complain about the quality of posts on gameplay. They had their chance and blew it.

HotarµNov 4, 20194 votes

Gameplay+ died because the mods wouldn't let you critique riot at all and were way too severe about not letting stuff in. In doing so they told the community that "thoughtful posts aren't welcome".

Well first off, you weren't supposed to be critiquing Riot. You were supposed to be critiquing (and discussing) the game in a healthy way. The way you worded that just leads me to believe that people sorely missed the mark for what G+ was intended to do.

Secondly, I actually read almost every single post that G+ produced. A large majority of them were well thought out and constructive. They were good posts, the issue was the lack of input that met the criteria and the constant moderation requirement. Here's a direct quote from KnightsKemplar:

We could unpack that for some time, but I think the key issue here can be seen clearly in the numbers; if this sub-board was meeting our goals, we would have relatively few views on those posts, but lots of responses. A cursory glance at the current sub-board shows the opposite; those posts get tons of views, but fewer comments than we hoped. As a result, posters knew they would get lots of visibility there, but there wasn’t much active discussion.

We believe that what we created failed to create the level and type of interest we were hoping for. Many of you have stated that you would have liked us to approve more posts – the truth is, we would have liked that, too. The number of serious submissions we received was always low, but in recent weeks it has dropped to a level that makes it difficult to justify putting in the work required to review and approve posts.

The board itself was rarely used. It wasn't due to the "mods not letting you critique Riot", it was because a lack of input and consistent, good-quality feedback/submissions.

They didn't move posts they didn't like to the normal gameplay boards. They didn't take thoughtful posts on gameplay and move them to gameplay+ as a way of highlighting good OPs.

Because the moderators literally cannot do this. They don't have the tools for it, it is actually impossible for them with the current format/design of the website.

IMO they've got no right to complain about the quality of posts on gameplay. They had their chance and blew it.

** They're still working to improve it, the Gameplay board isn't completely hopeless. **

ModUlanopoNov 5, 20193 votes

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Actually, Gameplay+ was removed because it was completely dead and required consistent moderation, something that's hard for the volunteer team to do.

I don't know how many more times I have to say this, but G+ was not dead in the traditional sense. We had tons of submissions right up to the end. The problems were that it wasn't fulfilling our needs (turns out higher-quality posts foster less discussion in proportion to views) and it required far too much labor to maintain. It just wasn't sustainable.

The number of serious submissions we received was always low, but in recent weeks it has dropped to a level that makes it difficult to justify putting in the work required to review and approve posts.

The key word there is serious. Another issue we had was that some people thought it funny to submit garbage and junk up the review process.

HotarµNov 5, 20191 votes

I don't know how many more times I have to say this, but G+ was not dead in the traditional sense. We had tons of submissions right up to the end. The problems were that it wasn't fulfilling our needs (turns out higher-quality posts foster less discussion in proportion to views) and it required far too much labor to maintain. It just wasn't sustainable.

I just used "completely dead" as a catch-all term for the low amount of responses, poor quality post submissions, and lack of use compared to the regular Gameplay board. I even somewhat doubled back on that later when I said:

The board itself was rarely used. It wasn't due to the "mods not letting you critique Riot", it was because a lack of input and consistent, good-quality feedback/submissions.

I know it wasn't 100% unused. Forgive my poor wording.

The Bad TouchNov 5, 20195 votes

How can anyone discuss anything at all with you guys around? You delete every single thread that isn't "OMG How wonderful things are."

You know a company is losing business when the hush squad rolls out.

Worst JG WinsNov 5, 20192 votes

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I don't know how many more times I have to say this, but G+ was not dead in the traditional sense.

You know telling a lie over and over again doesn't make it the truth?

turns out higher-quality posts foster less discussion in proportion to views

Or maybe just maybe walls of text kissing ass and complaint posts about people favorite champs aren't "high" quality content

and people realize arguing with people posting walls of text never gets anywhere

EedatNov 4, 20199 votes

I'm down with them removing the plague of low effort duplicate shitposts. I'm just upset they let it go for so long which is actually why the board died and is a meme

IllabetheNov 4, 201910 votes

I could call 90% of your posts low effort duplicates. What you mean to say is, Low effort duplicates that aren't mine or aligned with my biases.

(I have biases too; I'm merely pointing out that's what you mean. I personally enjoy other people's biases and take them into consideration into my own)

xDogMeatxNov 4, 20198 votes

makes you question what does truely low effort mean...

IllabetheNov 4, 20194 votes

I think I know what he meant. "Emo" Posts. Ones where people are raging about something, or not pertaining to "gameplay."

But.... most of the RESPONSES are not that simple, and many "Emo" posts are left to persist.

It's like throwing away the gold with the dirt.

xDogMeatxNov 4, 20192 votes

give me a murky vs clear cut vs truely low effort of examples so i know the difference. its hard to tell honestly

EedatNov 4, 20192 votes

I don't think so. I tend not to make the "OmG yAsUo Op He DoEs StUfF AND tHiNgS!!!" threads over and over

IllabetheNov 4, 20195 votes

You're right. You just respond to them with 1 liners callig them bull**** and not telling them why unless provoked. And then hardline a conversation about elo hell that you keep posting, even though

1)** Mathematics cannot take into account abstract impacts of that 1 Placement player in Gold/Silver per game** (It can only rationalize them as being equally nub, and having a statistical impact, when in reality, each one affects games differently) 2) **Mathematics cannot justify the difference between play style methods of 10 different players per game and how they interact **(A Diamond/Plat Calm, farming, lane phase player who is waiting for open opportunities to get objectives/kills often loses in Silver, because that's not a luxury those games give them. By the time they have patiently farmed, and their laners have fed them 2-3 kills, the rest of the map has already gave up 30+ kills, and the opposing team has 4500 Gold leads in the other lanes, and their turrets are all still up, while you're missing 4 of them) 3) The probabilities created by MMR to be close to 50% are so close to 50%, they might as well be 50%. Even if "you" being a superior player has an impact on your overall performance, it's usually so small that you're still going to tread water, and for you to see any positive impact, you need 4000-5000 games per season just to gain 1-2 elos above where your MMR says you should be.

(In other words, you're trying to argue the mathematics behind an elo hell versus the abstracts people interpret as an elo hell.) 4) The fact Riot actively does things that DO affect your MMR, and the amount of power you have over correcting it. (Season 6 Dynamic Queue, Season 9 Positional Ranking, new champions, active heavy hands in champ balance adjusting the math of success constantly)

The increase in the need to have high DPI/click speeds even in Low Elo, shutting out both people with moderate latency or below, and those who are teamed with new players, and those who are new players. It also shuts out those who have families, because you cannot maintain 180 clicks a minute with a family in your ears, or work 12 hour days. Your brain can't process a game in active noise the same way someone in absolute silence can.

EedatNov 5, 20192 votes

Here we go again. And you wonder why I get annoyed with people. It's because I have to explain this over and over and over to the same people. Round 823,452 here we go.

A Diamond/Plat Calm, farming, lane phase player who is waiting for open opportunities to get objectives/kills often loses in Silver

What a massive load. Diamond+ players do not just farm out games in silver and "wait". They recognize the massive amount of mistakes that low ELO players make and capitalize on them. League is a game of tempered aggression and calculated risks, NOT a game of perfection.

ELO hell is bullshit.People who believe in it are delusional. Since you dont grasp what this means and think I am insulting people when I use this word, I guess I have to explain. It is a literal delusion. People who hold delusions are delusional. Get it now? Let me get you the definition.

de·lu·sion /dəˈlo͞oZHən/ noun an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument

This defines the concept of ELO hell exactly. People will push the limits of mental gymnastics to try to justify this when literally any and all tangible evidence says it doesn't. All speculation aside, the actual admissible evidence we can observe is what happens when people make smurfs. Diamond+ players never get hardstuck on a Silver/Bronze account. Never. Not even Plat players do. Want examples?

Gosu unranked to Diamond in 24 hours: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZzIXeLwFu8

Gosu Bronze to Diamond: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re6F2kXnY4U

HuzzyGames: Iron to Diamond Season 9: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgxjS9_YdxP7QD0fL7FkOxFb5dvmXiW5B

HuzzyGames: Unranked to Diamond Season 8: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgxjS9_YdxP7bAnlH7y6k_hNR8vrHPLia

Huzzygames: Unranked to Diamond Season 7: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgxjS9_YdxP60YAnNLNYGsP4dFJR5MoLq

HuzzyGames: Unranked to Diamond Season 6: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgxjS9_YdxP470rErduQkRunOWuK2MpMw

HuzzyGames: Unranked to Diamond Season 5: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgxjS9_YdxP70SkIc5rAAFIDHfjJPChbi

Jayasea: Bronze to Diamond Season 8: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLI6-n9FVsY&list=PLWLlskw0fR7zP1-yQ7F8H1McDvrw2P17v

Jaysea: Iron to Diamond Season 9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fRvn4ONn70&list=PLWLlskw0fR7ykcDSyQOmfIN2eRCNrgxto

Yassuo: Unranked to Challenger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hy0HKYTdTA

FullMetalJayce: Unranked to Diamond: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAs9iqziReA

KatEvloved: Unranked to Diamond: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sox2VVLX8hk

Do you want more? Because I can get you literally HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of examples and not a single one gets stuck in low ELO. Not ONE.

Go ahead. Find me actual examples instead of just insisting these players exist. The ones who afk farm in silver games and wait. The ones who are losing. The ones who get stuck. I'll wait right here

So what is the difference between these players and people "stuck in ELO hell"? Do they get double base stats for having a Diamond+ alt? Do they get more starting gold? Do they get access to better champions? Do they get exclusive OP items? No, it's skill. Skill is the only defining characteristic that allows them to rapidly climb amoungst lower ELO players.

Players who are more SKILLED than the ELO they are playing in do not get stuck "in ELO hell". The greater the difference in skill, the more impact you have in the game. This is why when you approach your true MMR, your winrate started to flaten out. This is "the forced 50% winrate*** that people think proves the existence of ELO hell. In reality, it's exactly what happens when you are playing with people of your skill level. You do not have any more skill discrepancy to influence more game in your favor. This is exactly how an ELO system is supposed to work. By the time your influence slows down significantly, you are already close to your true MMR. That is when a bit of grinding kicks in. There are 4 randoms on your team and 5 on the other.

Why is it that these players can consistently climb to Diamond on these accounts? Year after year? With hundreds of examples?

Whats funny is that you bring up these "unranked accounts" that completely fucking warp the fabric of gold/silver when you've never been in the ELO they actually get dropped in. I've climbed my accounts to Gold for 4 straight years and this is just bullshit. You occasionally get one of these accounts that is drastically out of place and fucks up a game. But people will play 500+ games hardstuck in their true ELO then point to a single example or two and pull this bullshit "***THIS is the reason I can't climb" nonsense while ignoring the other 500+ games. Why is that? Well that brings us to...

The psychology of "ELO hell"

There are a multitude of well documented phenomenon that explain why the myth of ELO hell exists.

Self-Serving Bias

Self-serving bias is an extremely common and well known phenomenon. It's so common that we many have extremely well known examples dating back multiple millennia. It is a cognitive bias that people concoct to enhance their self esteem and view themselves in a more favorable manner. It helps explain (at least partially) a lot of human behavior like blatant hypocrisy. People tend to credit success to their own abilities or skill but credit failure to external reasons. The classic "I am good but my team is always shit" ELO hell myth is such a picture perfect example of this.

Self servivng bias is also explains why when positive things happen (I.E. winning a match) they attribute it to their skill and attrition. However, when the inverse happens (I.E. losing a match) the same logic never applies. In fact, the exact opposites now magically applies. It's attributed to bad luck or deflected to an outside source. It wasnt the player's skill, it was "bad luck" or "shit team" or "Riot rigging my matches"

**Papers: **(Bradley, J Pers 1978; Miller and Ross, 1975; Snyder, Stephan, & Rosenfileld, 1976; Ross., J Pers Soc Psychol, 1974; Brown & Rogers, 1991; Mezulis et al., 2004

Dont want to read?

Youtube: Here, here, and here

Dunning-Kruger Effect

The reasoning why incompetent people think they are competent. The Dunning-Kruger effect hypothesizes that people who are inadequate or bad at something lack the ability to see they are bad at it or the knowledge to see how much there is to learn on a subject and consequently grossly overestimate their ability.

This is the effect that explains why stupid people think they are smart.

Inversely, people who are good at something often underestimate their ability because they assume that because they find it easy, everyone else must find it easy. Or because they have the knowledge to see how much they still don't know.

Papers: Justin Kruger & David Dunning, 1999; Justin Kruger & David Dunning, 2000; Bunay, Siguenza, Flores & Andrade, 2018; Burson, Katherine A., Larrick, Richard P., Klayman, Joshua (2006)

Videos: Here, here, and here

Egocentrism

The tendency of people to only see the world as it affects them. For example, the common myth that "Riot forces me into a loss streak after a win streak. Throw back to self-serving bias as people always see the win streak as deserved because their ability and the loss streak is forced on them by an external factor. Aside from this, this is very evident in the blatant hypocrisy in how this supposedly works. "Rito games gives me shit players and all the enemies get good player to force me into a loss streak". Now think about this for more than 2 seconds and you can instantly see how much bullshit this is. The person is being "forced" to lose because they performed well, yet the "good" enemies with "higher winrates" and a "good team" are simultaneously being being "forced" to win. See how bullshit this is now? It's an actual contradiction, but because of egocentrism people view themselves as being the center of everything. The recipient of this great injustice while everyone else magically gets the complete opposite treatment? Everyone else besides you gets free wins when they do well but you get punished? Yeah sure thing buddy.

Also, ever wonder why ELO hell is ALWAYS in the division the person making the claim happens to be in? Wonder no more! Egocentrism! Weird how the silver player says ELO hell is Silver. The Gold player says it's in Gold. The Plat player says its Plat. The Diamond player says Diamond. Wow really funny how every single ELO is ELO hell isn't it?

Papers: Mou et al., 2004; Sergio Moreno-ríos, Journal of Pragmatics, 2011; Ageev, B. C. (1990); William Looft & Don C. Charles, 1971;

Videos: Ffs youtube it yourself

Then you have the masterpiece of your argument. You arbitrarily deciding what math is or is not capable of doing. Wow I'm glad that in your completely unqualified opinion backed by thin air and absolutely no data that you have decided what technology is or is not capable of. We live in a world where shopping algorithms can detect when a woman is pregnant before she even knows she is and yet you have deemed what is or is not possible with them. Why? Because you said so!

Lets take a look at an extremely simple mathematical concept that even you and I can appreciate. When RiTo GaMeZ fIxIn MuH mAtChEs they are also fixing the match for nine other people. In a span of ten games Rito fixes influences the outcome of NINETY other players just to keep random nobody silver players down. Shout out to egocentrism again! All those other player are mere pawns in rito games mission to keep low ELO players that they dont even know exist down

The Bad TouchNov 5, 20192 votes

So basically just have a crony level up a new account for the easy/fast MMR on a fresh account is what you are saying. Where are the 10 failed accounts they didn't upload to youtube exactly?

EedatNov 5, 20193 votes

What failed accounts? Find me one of them. One. I'll wait.

This is exactly why I dont do these in depth responses on this board anymore. I can site all this information, published scientific papers, links, info, etc then nobody actually reads it and insists the "evidence" they pulled out of thin air with zero proof is valid. Or better yet like the other guy just arbitrarily decide they are now a world renown source on mathematics and computer learning so they can just make whatever claim they want out of thin air

The Bad TouchNov 5, 20192 votes

Show me proof that they didn't have multiple attempts on fresh accounts.

I can upload a video to Youtube of flipping a coin and it landing on it's edge... doesn't mean I can do it every time. I just didn't bother uploading all the fails obviously.

Also being long winded isn't a plus my dude. Say what you NEED to say, then hush. Misc people online don't care enough about ya to read your book. Short and concise gets read.

EedatNov 5, 20194 votes

Ah, the absolute classic. "I dont have to prove my point, you have to prove it for me!". Then don't make a claim lmao. It's your claim. You are the one asserting it is true. It is your burden of proof.

Want to see how your logic works? I claim that your claim is false. Show me proof that you are not incorrect.

Solid rationale amirite?

The Bad TouchNov 5, 20191 votes

More like the old "Your argument has holes bigger than the Titanic, plug'em and you might have something that floats."

It's your job to prove your point. It's my job to criticize your point. That's how things work everywhere but MSNBC.

EedatNov 5, 20192 votes

I claim that your claim that my claim of your claim being false is incorrect. Show me proof that this is incorrect.

I have listed dozens of sources and evidence. If you would like to question the credibility of my information you will have to introduce information to the contrary. Weird how you havent been able to find a single one of these "failed accounts" yet. Not one.

Worst JG WinsNov 5, 20194 votes

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What failed accounts? Find me one of them. One. I'll wait.

This is exactly why I dont do these in depth responses on this board anymore. I can site all this information, published scientific papers, links, info, etc then nobody actually reads it and insists the "evidence" they pulled out of thin air with zero proof is valid. Or better yet like the other guy just arbitrarily decide they are now a world renown source on mathematics and computer learning so they can just make whatever claim they want out of thin air

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LGOYa6lAg0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdP_gHh6YFA

For reference he literally ditches accounts he loses placement games on.

EedatNov 5, 20193 votes

Account literally has 90% winrate and the onther one lost a single game. Show me one single example of an account that failed. A single one. Just one.

Worst JG WinsNov 5, 20191 votes

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Account literally has 90% winrate and the onther one lost a single game. Show me one single example of an account that failed. A single one. Just one.

If you're so sure you're right why do you feel the need to lie?

IllabetheNov 5, 20191 votes

Some lanes do not make mistakes. You are heavily disgracing and insulting "everyone" in a mixed bag elo where about half the population are either boosters, smurfs, ex-bannees, and generally systematically hold good objective, gold, and KDA scores game after game.
Your Twitch/Youtube feeds set up their own games. Not only do they play champions who do not NEED mistakes to capitalize on, they usually duo another person of the same elo they are in to ENSURE they do not need to capitalize on. Furthermore, most don't post every game. Most have more losses than they'd like to admit.
You have a biased opinion, being a fanboy who rarely even plays ranked. You almost entirely play ARAM and nothing else.
You're comparing Challenger to Silver. Think a little lower. Plat cannot carry Silver. Gold cannot carry Silver. And even the challengers play champs who do not need mistakes to capitalize. They just smurf reset champs against people who can't react to .1 second executes.
Dunning Kruger: Stop horribly abusing the theory as an internet Meme. The founders of the paper themselves have said publicly they do not endorse the way you use Dunning Kruger, as an excuse in any situation to suggest confidence is misplaced, and that at any given point, people are validating their own inadequacies.

Dunning Kruger was intended to be instrospective, and be an incentive for a person to seek education, peer evaluations. it wasn't designed to say you're an idiot or to confirm someone else's Bias. You, Yourself, by dismissing quantifiable testimony and good data, are more guilty of Dunning Kruger than I.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zGDNO1_ehg

Elo Hell is generally agreed to be Silver or Below, which happens to be....... 50% of the community. I've never seen someone attempt greater specificity.
I didn't arbitrarily decide anything. Anything I said about math vs abstracts is true. You cannot derive an accurate formula to stand in as a dummy that defines random players taking random roles on your team who play in random ways, with random choices for objective priorities, which constantly change based on how they interact with 9 other players, or in some cases 19 other players (remakes, previous game experience, etc) I dare you to try to quantify that math.

I'm a BA. in economics with a background in Game Theory.

Your newest article on Egocentrism is from 1971?
Shopping algorithms are far simpler than than quantifying randomized encounters. For one thing, these companies extrapolating this data have over 20+ years of consumer data on said female, and a MUCH more robust set of her entire purchasing histories. Furthermore, it's all backed by dollar amounts, income data, addresses attached to them, bank transactions. If she shops at Walmart with a Credit Card for 19 years, has routinely on average had similar purchasing patterns, mailed to a certain location, and suddenly starts spending with a second credit card, the location of the bills change, and her purchasing habits switch to indigestion medicine and comfort cures for nausea, the credit card has a strong history that 1) She has moved due to a nausea discomfort, met abnormal financial difficulties, and it doesn't take much more research to predict a pregnancy.

There's also the fact she's facebooking, talking about a new relationship, and Facebook is selling that data.

In contrast, you have no case history of a game player in interaction with 9 other players, other than their own primary tendencies. You have no data that tells you how they will interact with 9 aggressive players when they themselves are cautious. You have no data telling you if they will become aggressive and adapt, or how their attitude in the game they played 20 minutes ago is going to affect THIS game. At best, you have an aggregate understanding of the COMMUNITY, and you assign that average label to that player.

EedatNov 5, 20192 votes

THEY ARE SOLO QUE GAMES. YOU CANNOT MAKE A RANKED CUSTOM GAME TO RIG. IT LITERALLY SAYS THIS IN THE POST GAME LOBBY. IT SHOWS THEIR WIN-LOSS. YOU CAN LITERALLY LOOK UP THE ACCOUNTS. YOU CAN SEE IF THEY'RE DUOING

How is this actually in your answer?

I play ARAM on this account because it has every champ unlocked. I carry my accounts to gold every season for 4 years and I'm not even plat like what? How tf can plat players not carry silver? How the fuck are you even attempting to say what is required to carry our of silver when you've never been out of it? How the hell would you know? Your opinion on what Gold and Plat can or cannot carry is 100% completely invalid because you've never ever been one. How tf are you going to tell me what I am or am not capable of carrying? It takes me <50 games to climb out of silver every season 90% of the time and ***NEVER more than 70 or 80. You have played more ranked games in this season alone than I ever have yet I can repetitively climb out of silver and you cant? Now why is this? Could it be...... I am I gold level player? Why is the result 100% for one person and 0% for the other? Why can one climb to gold over and over and over again and another cant do it once? Why do the majority of Diamond players climb back to Diamond? Why do the majority of players in general end up back in the same ELO?

Well maybe, just maybe because they are playing around the same general skill level so they end up around the same general ELO? I know, a real shocking concept

Why dont we ask? Let's find some plat players and ask them if they can carry silver lmao.

The authors of the the Dunning -Kruger effect do not dispute the conclusion of their data. They do not object citing the theory. They object to people using it as a literal meme as a synonym for stupidity because it is a far more diverse concept. It is being used in only one regard while the full scope of it is ignored. They object to people using it as a tool to insult. That is what they object to.

Elo Hell is generally agreed to be Silver or Below, which happens to be....... 50% of the community. I've never seen someone attempt greater specificity.

Wow what a shocker.

ever wonder why ELO hell is ALWAYS in the division the person making the claim happens to be in? Wonder no more! Egocentrism! Weird how the silver player says ELO hell is Silver. The Gold player says it's in Gold. The Plat player says its Plat. The Diamond player says Diamond.

Wow the place where the the most players is where the most people say it is! Wonder why that is?

Shopping algorithms are far simpler than than quantifying randomized encounters.

Dude. They have results of over 700 games this season alone from you. What more data do they need? You actually, unironically believe that Rito has been holding you back for 700+ games? Completely serious?

Anything I said about math vs abstracts is true.

You make a valid argument by presenting information and evidence. Let me drop another term on you. What you are attempting to do is called an argument from authority. Congrats, you are using the exact same logic as people who cite the bible as proof. Instead of making a real argument, you insist that a BA in economics makes you an expert in machine learning? No, your BA or Masters in a field should allow someone to make an actual argument. It's not an argument by itself. Imagine if you had a professor where when you asked them a question they said "you're wrong because I have a Master degree". When you ask them why they say "because I have a master degree". Thats not an actual argument. The Master degree will allow them to explain why it is wrong

The only thing that matters is destroying the nexus. This is the sole objective of the enitre game. If you cannot succeed in doing this because you are such a 1337 player who passively does absolutely fucking nothing all game, never takes calculated risks, can't adapt to anything, never pushes boundaries, never does anything but hope to be carried then you are not good at league of legends and therefore are going to be low ELO and it is 100% entirely your doing. Your playstyle is your choice that you make. If you consistently decide on a playstyle that cannot win games then it is your fault when you lose. If you can't adapt to a game, it is your fault. If you are incapable of dealing with people with different playstyles it is your fault. If you do not possess the skills to succeed in League of Legends it is your fault and not some made up ELO hell holding you back

The thigh guyNov 5, 20196 votes

They like to remove posts for being “low effort” when in reality they just like to push what they want.

There is one mod in particular, who I won’t name, who likes to remove any post that says anything negative about ad assassins. Note this isn’t just me, multiple people have brought this up and nothing has been done.

KFCeytronNov 4, 20194 votes

Mods taking out the trash.

IllabetheNov 4, 20195 votes

Because comments about people developing hand problems at a young age due to League continually increasing the need for higher DPI and click speeds is a Trash thread.

Imo, that's a pretty important thread, and it IS gameplay related. It was also written by a Diamond I.

Aeonian SupremeNov 4, 20193 votes

They remove my posts and tell me to put it in GD, I put it there and they remove it again. I've given up with this shitty, biased moderation. They'll probably remove this comment for verbal abuse or whatever they call it

Pika FoxNov 4, 20192 votes

Part of the problem is likely a lack of proper moderation tools. Instead of deletion, posts in the wrong boards or whatever should be moved by the mods into the correct subboard. Given thats not a thing leads me to suggest it doesnt exist as a mod tool.

That being said, gameplay recently had its rules updated to try and clean it up.

ModUlanopoNov 5, 20193 votes

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That being said, gameplay recently had its rules updated to try and clean it up.

The rules haven't changed yet. We're still reviewing what we learned from that post.

The Bad TouchNov 5, 20194 votes

Dude your mod team is going overboard. Your team has deleted dozens of gameplay related threads today.

Personally I recommend everyone start ticketing the lot of you.

Kai GuyNov 4, 20192 votes

Moderators are volunteers, not Rioters.

Some's ones been cleaning house. You get an alert when you get your thread deleted or a comment erased.

ESeTyRCNov 5, 20192 votes

They can't handle anything that would slander mother RIOT and their shit balance team.

The Bad TouchNov 4, 20191 votes

https://i.imgur.com/lArmbUd.png

Same person doing it?

IllabetheNov 4, 20192 votes

Dunno, because it's not my comments they are archiving/moving. They move the comments I respond to, and then I get diverted to a Error 404 Screen when I try to load or continue the conversation.

7 Different threads today.

Ironically, not this one yet.

The Bad TouchNov 5, 20191 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ajetsr0k Another one. Yay!.