How are people supposed to win if 3 teammates are working with them to play denial?

Illabethe·Jul 19, 2019·5 votes·1,026 views

I just witnessed my first game of Denial.

Basically what Denial is:

One core team member builds a build that counters other compositions. -The other two build kits that mimic and copy parts of the other 5 members of the match.

What this does:

The 5 other comps cannot complete champs beyond 2 stars. The counter builder CAN. The one I just saw basically played Denial of "Yordle/Wild" 2 People built identical builds, while the 3rd built counter Yordle.

They didn't switch to this until after about round 13, but kept the components in their decks.

9 Comments

TheBrothersGrymmJul 19, 20193 votes

i saw this happening, 1 dude on my team saved 4 1 stars and swapped to them when vsing they dou, then back to real pieces TFt should only be 1 player no teams allowed

z63XnLCMwXJul 19, 20192 votes

Not that hard to counter. You save your econ to swap teams during mid game, then they won't have enough time to deny.

IllabetheJul 19, 20192 votes

You missed the part where they didn't start doing it until round 13 or so. You also don't have econ when trying for most builds.

SubdueJul 19, 20192 votes

I think what you're describing is much more difficult than what you're suggesting, and since you can't decide who you're going to fight in each round, the one that's building to counter would basically kill off his allies, freeing up their units, and giving you a chance to compete, so I think it's a self-defeating strategy most of the time.

Plus, what do you suppose they would do if you were to switch gears and mimic the counter?

Panthaz89Jul 19, 20191 votes

I doubt they did it to really deny you if they switched its because it was made available to them...they can't just force those champs to appear for them and if they just try to force it they will be knocked out fast and you would have access to them immediately after so you just focus on leveling and not worry about the or simply switch over.

IllabetheJul 19, 20194 votes

I won 100% the first 12 rounds. They all started mimicking me. Except the guy they seeded as #1.

What this means:

4 people bought AND fielded Gnar 4 People bought and fielded Veigar 3 people bought and fielded Ahri 4 people bought and fielded Tristana 4 people bought and fielded Kennen

It didn't matter what star levels they were. Even if they had something better, this is what they were ALL fielding. They were explicitly preventing ME from getting any 3 stars, so that their yordle counterbuild ally could win. And if you looked in their inventories, they had 2-3 star champs ON THE BENCH.

z63XnLCMwXJul 19, 20192 votes

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I won 100% the first 12 rounds. They all started mimicking me. Except the guy they seeded as #1.

What this means:

4 people bought AND fielded 4 People bought and fielded 3 people bought and fielded 4 people bought and fielded 4 people bought and fielded

It didn't matter what star levels they were. Even if they had something better, this is what they were ALL fielding. They were explicitly preventing ME from getting any 3 stars, so that their yordle counterbuild ally could win. And if you looked in their inventories, they had 2-3 star champs ON THE BENCH.

Denying late game champs is a legit strat. I do that all the time too when I see first and second place build. If I can't win, I'm not going to let my opponent have an easy time steam rolling.

hoganftwJul 19, 20191 votes

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Denying late game champs is a legit strat. I do that all the time too when I see first and second place build. If I can't win, I'm not going to let my opponent have an easy time steam rolling.

The key difference is that you're on your own and this guy has 4 other friends doing it too. Denying is one thing, having others do it for you is just not cool.

Get2Jul 19, 20191 votes

Build a premade and fight back. That tactic works, but only to some degree. In your other games, treat all chat like you're playing RISK or Town of Salem and build alliances in-game. That is part of the strategy, just so you know.