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I don't understand how some champs can not EVER show up in my card slot.

Linda de Mol·9/3/2019, 12:33:40 PM·11 votes·7,310 views

This happens a lot and is very frustrating.

Just had a game where I died at minute 23.

I tried for 23 minutes just to get a two star champion, Kha'Zix, and I got stuck with two units so I could not upgrade. The enemies all did not have Kha'Zix, so how is it possible he never shows up again?

You can say, change the strategy then. But this happens with other champs too. Yesterday had a One Star Varus at 20 mins, Just could not find the third champ to upgrade to 2star unit. And then my mouth falls open when I see enemies at the same time with two THREE star units.

Unbelievable.

14 Comments

Porglit9/3/2019, 3:52:23 PM8 votes

I've seen the same thing. I'm convinced that Riot has a hidden mechanism that intentionally essentially deletes certain champs or classes from particular games. I played one yesterday where I decided to go for 6 knights + Braum (yes I know this isn't a good strat to win, but I wanted to try for funsies). I saved up to 50 gold, and rerolled the heck outta level 5, spending literally >100 gold. Level 5 is still a good chance of rolling a level 1 unit, so I should have been able to shoot for level 3 on one or two of the knights. No one else in the game had any knights at all except one person had a level 2 Mord. Everyone else had a bunch of other tier 1 units, which pulled them out of the pool, increasing my chances of getting knights even more.

After >100 gold on rerolls, I entered level 6 with: 2 Darius's, 1 Garen, 1 Mord, 2 Braums. That's not a level 2 darius, that's 2 level 1 Darius's. I didn't have even a single level 2 out of FOUR champs that I was specifically targeting, and no one else in the entire game had more than a single level 2 of. Tell me that's RNG, and I'll do some calculations about the unbelieveably tiny chance that will ever happen.

And this is FAR from a one off thing. I regularly try targeted strats (again, not seriously or in ranked, just casually to try fun item builds etc). Usually I can find the champs I'm looking for, sometimes more (and get level 3) and sometimes less (only 6-7). But sometimes it will happen again: it's impossible to even get a level 2 of a champ that no one else on the board has, if I can find them even at all. Sometimes it's an entire class that seems to be deleted, and sometimes it's just a single champ, where I'll get Garen and Mord to level 3 while never finding a single Darius in the entire game.

I've theorized that this is intentionally coded into the game in order to force people to adapt, rather than have a pre-set strat. I have no proof beyond trends I've noticed over hundreds of games, and mathematical calculations of how likely those rare instances should occur. I've seen no suggestion or corroboration from official Rioters. But by golly if this isn't the case, I've hit the weirdest consistently statistically impossible patch of RNG imaginable.

2Charmnot2Charm9/3/2019, 1:28:38 PM5 votes

Yea its funny af how there are games where NO ONE can find the same champion I'm looking for.

Just had a game where me and one other person were trying to find brands for our comps, but after we reached level 7 BOTH of us were still on that single brand we found, we and no one else had any brands sitting on the bench the entire time.

Ztoka9/3/2019, 4:26:19 PM3 votes

RNG.. I have gone many games w/o seeing a champ. I can go to wolves w/o seeing a certain 2 star champ.. Why I'm split about the hyper roll strat. Some games it works, most it doesn't and just lose gold..

Exin09/3/2019, 9:45:43 PM2 votes

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This happens a lot and is very frustrating.

Just had a game where I died at minute 23.

I tried for 23 minutes just to get a two star champion, Kha'Zix, and I got stuck with two units so I could not upgrade. The enemies all did not have Kha'Zix, so how is it possible he never shows up again?

You can say, change the strategy then. But this happens with other champs too. Yesterday had a One Star Varus at 20 mins, Just could not find the third champ to upgrade to 2star unit. And then my mouth falls open when I see enemies at the same time with two THREE star units.

Unbelievable.

kha is lets say tier1 champion and you start game with 100% chance chance of tier1 but as game progress this chance is reduced after each level you gain and at some point is lower then tier2 and tier3 which make it more difficult to get specific tier1 card when chance is low and pool from it is drawn is still huge.

Aatrox Airlines9/3/2019, 11:39:09 PM1 votes

It kinda sucks. 2 days ago i lost a game because i couldnt get 1 more aatrox for tier 3 even tho i spent around 40 gold on rerolls

OceanBabe9/4/2019, 8:05:46 AM1 votes

Yep, same this for me as well.

I noticed this after the 9.17 patch when they added a new champ. Before this it rarely happened and it's super frustrating, because it leaves you so behind.

I've also had games where I was keeping 2 Elise units from level 1 to try 6 shifters and I didn't find another Elise for the rest of the game... :D This is happening every 2 games I play with all kinds of units.

I really hope they fix this soon. :((

Sire Hippington9/4/2019, 4:10:36 PM1 votes

Just won a 37min game with glacial/ranger(double mallet on rangers is beyond stupid if you make it to the lategame)

took me 25min to find my one and only varus for the entiere game and i was down at 30hp at that point, and only one other player had a single other lvl 1 varus...so in the entier 37min, only 2 varus across all players...

Turtle Luvin9/4/2019, 5:10:12 PM1 votes

I had this in a game as well. I made thread about this same thing when i was looking for a Sejuani.

2 days ago though this was good, i needed 1 garen , 1 mord and 2 poppys and they would of been 3 stars. Heck i would of been happy if they given my a kayle so i could of had a 6 knight unit.

I had about 8 health left and 60 gold. I rerolled about 50 of it and found 1 mord and 0 of the other 3. There was only 3 of us left in the game and 1 was running assasins with brawlers and the other was running the Veigar shapeshifter comp. Super annoying to see the game literally set you up

Mcsquzzy9/3/2019, 12:36:51 PM1 votes

There is a limited pool of each champ, most players will save up 50 gold to accrue interest then roll to get what they need before others do

Kai Guy9/4/2019, 6:03:59 PM1 votes

Did you buy Exp?

TwitchInMyPants9/3/2019, 1:01:42 PM1 votes

There's about currently 56 champions in the game, almost 60 (which we'll probably reach at some point, seems to be about the cap). 7 of these are Tier 5, 10 are tier 4. There's 13 total of each tier 4, and 10 total of each tier 5. However you don't get a higher than 30% chance of finding any tier 4 and given there's 130 tier 4 cards, you can regularly roll ones that are useless for your comp in your limited chances to find them. This is even more difficult with tier 5, 10% chance to roll and there's 70 cards.

Getting even just 3 of these is a difficult task, and when you consider the other unaccounted 39 champions and how many copies of each there are, there's hundreds of cards you have to roll through for the high value stuff. And for a lot of them you can have multiple sets of 9 whether they're useful for you or not, tier 1s have 39 each and I'm sure there's plenty of cards there you won't slot into your final comp.

Given the amount of rerolls you can invest in however, there's a good probability of you seeing the majority of card types, you should always have a couple available comps you can build. You just won't necessarily get the dream team for one of those comps.

Kei1439/3/2019, 2:59:00 PM1 votes

Don't try to get T1 units after lvl4, the chances of them appearing drastically drops

Wickedlike9/3/2019, 8:03:51 PM1 votes

When they are fewer player in the match the champion pull is heavily incressed thats to the fact that fewer ppl own units. Meaning they are a lot of champs for you to roll and not get the the spesific one you need. When they are a lot of players in the match the units they take decrease your chance of taking that same unit because all the units players roll for are from 1 pool.

  • the % for getting a spesific tier units changes as you level up.
  • Buying units from the same rarety as the one you look for then selling them to get income back when you see your unit will help you, because the chance to get a tier 3 hero is the same but not the chance to get that spesific hero, buying other units from the same tier helps.

For example i was looking for poppy in the late game, no one had her, the chance of rolling a tier 3 unit was 35% yes i fail'd to levle 2 her even when i bouth out every tier 3 units i saw because the game only had 2-3 player including me.