Ninja(4) + Assassin(6) is way too strong

Barkley·7/20/2019, 11:07:07 PM·19 votes·8,690 views

This comp is nigh unbeatable. I understand its fairly hard to get, and I understand that it leaves you fairly weak through most of the game -- but a W is a W, and if you can get the full comp its basically a guaranteed win.

I think this comp had like 70%+ win rate at twitch rivals, and now everyone's spamming it in solo q because its so damn good.

Idk what needs to be nerfed about this combo, but something's gotta give. There shouldn't be a comp in the game that just flat out beats everything.

34 Comments

Toadwart7/20/2019, 11:38:21 PM15 votes

the bigger problem is that so many comps are bad that there is little choice in what to build.

6 knights ? - 80 from attack damage when everyone is hitting for 250 to 3000, sometimes twice per second....

Defense scales for poop in this game, Knights, Brawlers, Shapeshifters, Guardians.....none of those synergies hold up vs the offensive synergies. The only viable end game builds are Crowd Control and damage.

Basically, balance is very bad.

GigglesO7/21/2019, 10:19:11 PM3 votes

It’s just like normal league where damage wins.

Subdue7/21/2019, 6:46:49 AM2 votes

Do you do anything at all when you see someone going for Ninjas + Assassins? Do you start buying up Akalis? Do you reposition your main forces in the middle and place a couple of tanks at the corners so that the assassins don't go straight for your DPS? Do you move your units to the corner and form a wall of defensive units around them? I mean, you said it yourself. It is difficult to get the composition together, so you should see it coming a LONG way off. If you are paying attention and still get blindsided, that's on you.

Modl Ryden l7/21/2019, 3:10:06 AM2 votes

And it's also super hard to fulfill.

Smyrage7/21/2019, 10:14:48 PM2 votes

Hard to get? More like you need to be lucky to get it and it is pretty much uncounterable.

ILIKELICKING7/21/2019, 2:59:33 AM1 votes

I am playing Ninja+Assasins and I am inviting all of you to play it, if it is so strong and if it is a free win, please be my guest. But no, you will never even try it, you will just open a discussion at boards and ask riot to nerf it. Ninja+Assasins is a huge gamble and you can not transition into or out of it, it is never a guaranteed win and it is 7th-8th place finishes most of the cases, it is a very strong late game comp if you can get there, even if you do, 1 zephyr on zed or akali, 1 phantom debuff on zed or akali or simply draven on the corner with a rfc can beat you, but most of the cases; you reroll 50-60 gold for a single akali and you dont get it, what you end up with 3 ninjas, 5 assasins, placeholder katarina and 10 hp at the eighth spot going into next battle and begging to god for 9hp loss not 10, hoping for akali next round.. So please; play ninja+assasin comp yourselves and get your free wins today.

Fiddlez7/21/2019, 1:02:23 PM1 votes

Here's my take on Ninja Assassins. The thing that makes them strong is that it is a super strong composition (nothing wrong with that, so is nobles and glacials etc.) but requires no 5 gold units to complete. Solution is simple. Make Akali a 5 gold unit.

Illabethe7/21/2019, 3:00:38 PM1 votes

There's the fact that the build is not only weak on build up, it's also very rare, due to the fact it almost ALWAYS needs something called Force of Nature, which one person per 8 per game MIGHT get.

Also, both Shen and Akali are generally rare slot pick ups.

LordGeovanni7/22/2019, 2:49:58 AM1 votes

I like that league took a tier 4 dota underlords item For a utility class and made it innate in every assassin build whether its 6 or 1 assassin from level 1.

Pandemic Punch7/21/2019, 3:08:43 AM1 votes

A tanky Kennen with morello can delete every assassin in the radius of his ultimate.

Also, it is my understanding that a brawler/glacial comp with volibear carry will destroy them as well.

Panthaz897/21/2019, 1:50:58 AM1 votes

Maybe the massive team bonus that's complete overkill causing your average assassin to drop 1500+ hits to 3k+ hits if they have items....then Akali makes them harder to counter without the carry also having a DC because her ability one shots everything too with magic aoe...lol. Last game I didn't even need Akali either when Zed, Rengar, and Pyke were lvl 3 and Zed had all the items so I'd rather not take the ninja bonus away from him. Everyone's also running lockets/zekes because it pairs so well with assassins built in the back with a 1 or 2 tanks to draw the enemy forward which I had a 2 star Swain with DC/PD to distract hell even whoop on the other team. No comp like assassins is a near guarantee to rise to at a minimum top 4 unless 3+ people are building them. Even then its not that hard to get much out of them because you only need the lvl 2 versions to beat a lot of teams. You pretty much have to run Kennan, Morg, or any other anti assassin characters and give them a PD to beat them regularly even then some assassins teams actually run phantom and will somehow hit your anti assassin sometimes which just sucks.