Ninja(4) + Assassin(6) is way too strong

The tough part about scaling defense is the timer on battles. You can't have extended fights or it just ends in both parties taking damage and loss of any win streaks.

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the bigger problem is that so many comps are bad that there is little choice in what to build.

Defense scales for poop in this game

Reminds me of that other game mode they made cough COUGH*

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the bigger problem is that so many comps are bad that there is little choice in what to build.

6 knights ? - 80 from attack damage when everyone is hitting for 250 to 3000, sometimes twice per second....

Defense scales for poop in this game, Knights, Brawlers, Shapeshifters, Guardians.....none of those synergies hold up vs the offensive synergies. The only viable end game builds are Crowd Control and damage.

Basically, balance is very bad.

I've gotten 1st place multiple times using mainly brawlers. Same with blademasters, gunslingers, shapeshifters.

I think many of those are meant to compliment other teams, give em a strong frontline which is why their bonuses are so easy to make. (Guardians require 2 max).

Knights I think are very weak because there's 3 lvl 1's so it's basically a starter bonus only meant for early game. Though I think 4 knight bonus should be removed and 6 knight bonus should be doubled. So you get the early bonus but making 6 knights is a viable risk.

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the bigger problem is that so many comps are bad that there is little choice in what to build.

6 knights ? - 80 from attack damage when everyone is hitting for 250 to 3000, sometimes twice per second....

Defense scales for poop in this game, Knights, Brawlers, Shapeshifters, Guardians.....none of those synergies hold up vs the offensive synergies. The only viable end game builds are Crowd Control and damage.

Basically, balance is very bad.

I've done well with brawlers, shapeshifter, guardian... but agreed offense is drastically favored

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the bigger problem is that so many comps are bad that there is little choice in what to build.

6 knights ? - 80 from attack damage when everyone is hitting for 250 to 3000, sometimes twice per second....

Defense scales for poop in this game, Knights, Brawlers, Shapeshifters, Guardians.....none of those synergies hold up vs the offensive synergies. The only viable end game builds are Crowd Control and damage.

Basically, balance is very bad.

defensive units are only there to stall so that the offensive units in the back stay alive, going full tank makes no sense, this time they balanced it out just fine, there is no need to cause massive damage with tanks..... unlike the main mode where tanks dominate just about anything.

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Do you do anything at all when you see someone going for Ninjas + Assassins? Do you start buying up Akalis? Do you reposition your main forces in the middle and place a couple of tanks at the corners so that the assassins don't go straight for your DPS? Do you move your units to the corner and form a wall of defensive units around them? I mean, you said it yourself. It is difficult to get the composition together, so you should see it coming a LONG way off. If you are paying attention and still get blindsided, that's on you.

the problem isn't really that they are winning but the fact that their bonuses is so ridiculously strong to the point where you don't have counters you lose to them easy which isn't until later in the game so they place high in the majority of games its not a bad thing to come in 2nd 3rd or 4th place against a counter when your units oneshots and dominate anybody that wasn't fortunate enough to build/get the champ counters. Why would anyone really care if you are buying up Akali's when you don't even need the ninjas part to do well? Saying Ninja+Assassin is bad because you can't get it is funny because if you can't you just fall back to 6 assassins because there is nothing from stopping you from having a backup plan and even if people were also going for assassins you could settle with 3 of them and still be an effective comp paired with something else there is just too much too fall back on.

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Do you do anything at all when you see someone going for Ninjas + Assassins? Do you start buying up Akalis? Do you reposition your main forces in the middle and place a couple of tanks at the corners so that the assassins don't go straight for your DPS? Do you move your units to the corner and form a wall of defensive units around them? I mean, you said it yourself. It is difficult to get the composition together, so you should see it coming a LONG way off. If you are paying attention and still get blindsided, that's on you.

do i buy aka no cuz i can never get the bloody things........ do i repostion yep the two "tanks" at the side derp n either dont attack or move to fdight the idiots in the front so back line still dies.... agin yes but then my tanks leave my backline cuz you kno it takes 3hrs for the assassins to show n by then the tanks are fighting their 1 dude for 3hrs....

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I am playing Ninja+Assasins and I am inviting all of you to play it, if it is so strong and if it is a free win, please be my guest. But no, you will never even try it, you will just open a discussion at boards and ask riot to nerf it. Ninja+Assasins is a huge gamble and you can not transition into or out of it, it is never a guaranteed win and it is 7th-8th place finishes most of the cases, it is a very strong late game comp if you can get there, even if you do, 1 zephyr on zed or akali, 1 phantom debuff on zed or akali or simply draven on the corner with a rfc can beat you, but most of the cases; you reroll 50-60 gold for a single akali and you dont get it, what you end up with 3 ninjas, 5 assasins, placeholder katarina and 10 hp at the eighth spot going into next battle and begging to god for 9hp loss not 10, hoping for akali next round.. So please; play ninja+assasin comp yourselves and get your free wins today.

you don't have to play ninjas with them and if you finish 7th or 8th with them then you are really bad because I have never finished outside the top 4 running assassins as long as you know how to play the odds and when to start rolling a lot which is typically at 7 for assassins since they have such an easy early-mid game against a lot of comps and 7 is the sweetspot where you can run 6 assassins and a tank to draw out people if you are one of those people who think running assassins purely in the back without someone in the middle to draw the other team out before they jump then its on you for not understand how they work. If you are ever running more than 1 ninja before you have 4 then its on you for forgetting that you lose the ninja bonus at 2 and 3. The comp doesn't even need items that bad to work but items will help them get through their counters like RFC and DC on a single assassin will pretty much guarantee top 3.

Well seeing as they had a 70% win rate you obviously r doing it wrong. Lol.

Thanks for the invite. Just tried it and it was an ez win.

Only had trouble at the final 1v1 where it was 83 - 5, lost three times before I found the akali I needed to get it to level 2.

problem is ... this stops working once non-assassins are on board.

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There's the fact that the build is not only weak on build up, it's also very rare, due to the fact it almost ALWAYS needs something called Force of Nature, which one person per 8 per game MIGHT get.

Also, both Shen and Akali are generally rare slot pick ups.

You don't need FON to run the comp you just need to hit lvl 8 which really isn't that hard considering you just run assasins while keeping the ninjas except 1 on the bench til you have 4...do you realize how easy it is to dominate early and mid game with assassins because of how small compositions are since they can't use the turtle around morg or kennan strats yet? Its not like people can prepare against it because they don't know who they will face for the most part.

You dont need FON, I just ran this comp with BOTRK on Shen