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Can we, as a community, drop this whole "Holier than thou" attitude?

Barkley··131 votes·4,828 views

Can we all just collectively stop down-talking anyone who isn't gold+? Can we all realize that rank does not make you some sort of superior human being, or a part of some aristocratic society?

I'm not sure of the actual statistic, but something like 50% of players are silver, and another like.... 20 or 30% of players are bronze. Again, that might not be EXACTLY correct, but for my purposes its fair enough.

That's 80% of the player base, or more.

In absolutely anything in life, there are people who are just better than other people. That's just the nature of categorizing activities by skill level. There's going to be a huge chunk of the demographic in one place, and outliers on either side.

Being good at league of legends does not make you smarter, better, more successful, or happier. It makes you good at League of Legends. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

It doesn't give you any sort of authority. It doesn't give you any sort of agency. It doesn't give you any sort of superiority in conversation or knowledge.... it just makes you better at League of Legends.

I've met (just last week, actually) a high-silver player who just got picked up as a NA Challenger Series analyst.

I've met a diamond player that I go to school with who feeds relentlessly when he plays with me and my gold/silver friends, to the point where we actually decided not to play with him anymore because he's too goddamn heavy.

If you're gold/plat+ congratulations. That's something to be proud of. Truly, sincerely - be proud of yourself. Its an achievement. But that doesn't give you the right, then, to start talking mad shit about anyone who's a lower rank than you and treating them as sub-human.

There is not a single player in this game that you can't learn something from. Bronze 5 to Challenger #1. Everyone has something to offer you that you didn't know before that can make you a better player. Likewise, what exactly is it hurting for you to go out of your way to help someone out that's a lower rank than you? Why is that such a seemingly taboo thing?

I love helping younger, lower ranked players. I find great joy in it. I love watching them grow, I love answering their questions. I love helping them improve, and most of all I love hearing "You really helped me out, man, thanks. I finally made it out of bronze and its all thanks to your advice"

It feels good.

Try it some time.

174 Comments

Ok sure but why35 votes

Rank-shaming shouldn't be allowed on the boards tbh

Barkley17 votes

Ok sure but why

Milton Fletcher8 votes

because a bronze player can tell a diamond player he sucks but if u so much as say "but ur bronze" u get 500 bronze-silver players downvoting and telling you "thats just rude bro" or "why bring up rank" when you're just being honest..

ZephyrDrake20 votes

[{quoted}](name=Milton Fletcher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=riJEcGIq,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-01-27T01:09:39.470+0000)

because a bronze player can tell a diamond player he sucks but if u so much as say "but ur bronze" u get 500 bronze-silver players downvoting and telling you "thats just rude bro" or "why bring up rank" when you're just being honest..

ok... but if the bronze player didn't bring up rank and is just saying what he believes what does saying "but your bronze" achieve? like what is that bronze player learning with that statement? all it looks like is you using rank as a way to not be bothered to even do a conversation in the slightest

Milton Fletcher5 votes

then its not ok.

you knwo what i mean and you still change the comment as if im in the wrong.

this is why people do the "but you're bronze" thing.

you refuse to look at the right and would rather make up shit to feel sorry for yourself.

i never said it was ok to call someone bronze for no reason.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Milton Fletcher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=riJEcGIq,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-27T01:28:43.893+0000)

then its not ok.

you knwo what i mean and you still change the comment as if im in the wrong.

this is why people do the "but you're bronze" thing.

you refuse to look at the right and would rather make up shit to feel sorry for yourself.

i never said it was ok to call someone bronze for no reason.

well what you essentially said was "random bronze player said that some other random player who happened to be diamond player sucked" ok... and then you bring "but if you say X you get Y type of comments"... maybe try to word things better then? because all i see is that just because a bronze player says something stupid that it's ok to bash on them as a result.

Milton Fletcher2 votes

i said if a bronze says some dumb shit to a diamond and then a diamond says "you're x rank" its always on the diamond because he said the forbidden words that trigger 80 percent of the boards for obvious reasons.

both are in the wrong but that doesnt mean the diamond was more wrong.

ZephyrDrake5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Milton Fletcher,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=riJEcGIq,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-27T01:50:12.865+0000)

i said if a bronze says some dumb shit to a diamond and then a diamond says "you're x rank" its always on the diamond because he said the forbidden words that trigger 80 percent of the boards for obvious reasons.

both are in the wrong but that doesnt mean the diamond was more wrong.

so... exactly what i said. Learn to word things better because in your example the diamond player is in the wrong. It doesn't matter what the hell the bronze player says. Bringing up rank does nothing other than try to redirect the conversation in a bad way and shows how insecure the diamond player actually is. If he bothered to look up the bronze player's rank why doesn't that player actually show him why what he said is wrong? The bronze player said something stupid that he believes is right (unless he is trolling in which case you better not even bother with him regardless of rank) or simply because he doesn't understand any better so help him understand.

People do not like being told that they are wrong and they hate even more when you just brush his opinions with no actual proper explanation. Whatever someone says whether it's a challenger player or a lvl 1 player it will look stupid and completely pointless or impossible to some other players even if they are in the same rank. Don't fall down to their lvl no matter who they are (unless they are trolling in which case go wild!)

Ok sure but why5 votes

Cuz calling someone bronze just for the sake of negating their entire argument is the equivalent of "Yeah but you're a fucking white male!!!!!" in the real world

Barkley12 votes

Ok sure but why

Hella Kaiser3 votes

Barkley

Barkley2 votes

Hella Kaiser

Oxyrotten1 votes

It's not.

Ok sure but why1 votes

Well, then they're sure pretty lenient on the rule

Oxyrotten2 votes

Nah they just show favortism and beyond that it's up to us to snitch on the rest.

HalcyonDweller24 votes

Amen. +1

ZephyrDrake16 votes

if people actually truly believe that they know better or are better than someone due to them having a higher rank then they should actually prove it instead of just going the whole "you are bronze/silver/gold I am plat+ you are wrong" and saying nothing at all... like how does that help anyone? how does that help the lower ranked player improve? how did you even prove that what you were saying was right?

Rank is an indication of how good you are in a mechanical sense, that doesn't necessarily mean that you are the most knowledgeable player. you might often find yourself surprised at what some random low elo player says and at the bare minimum it will provide another point of view that you might not have thought of before.

When people actually stop thinking with their E-peens and more with their actual heads then the community as a whole will grow and we will have much better players overall. Yes there will always be those who refuse to listen no matter what you say, all you have to do is just not engage with those people until they actually show that they want to listen

Barkley14 votes

I'm 30 years old, married, 2 kids, full time student, US Navy Veteran. My hands aren't what they used to be, my mind isn't what it used to be. I'm not saying I'm an old decrepid man by any stretch, but I'm no spring chicken either.

I hover around high silver, low gold for most of my league of legends seasons playing casually. When I try, I usually get gold 1, plat 5, but I have to sacrifice other things in my life that are more important to maintain that level of play. Its not worth it to me. I'd rather watch my children grow up. I'd rather spend time with my family. I'd rather get good marks in school. I'd rather concentrate on furthering my education and eventually my career.

That said, my mechanical skill in this game isn't so great. I play easy-to-play champions, which essentially means I play champions that aren't the greatest at solo-carrying a game. That's fine for me. I have fun, and isn't that the point?

However, my macro knowledge is on a completely different level than 95% of the people I play with, or have met. If I'm in a game, and we get a lead, and my team listens to my pings and my chat - we win. Period. End of discussion. I know how to press an advantage, I know how to rotate, I know how to manage and manipulate minion waves. I know when to take which objectives, I know which lanes to focus on when jungling, and which lanes to let be.

Its not the knowledge that inhibits me, its being able to execute that knowledge in a game environment.

If you gave me hive-mind control over a team, and gave your run-of-the-mill platinum or diamond player hive-mind control over a team, and put our teams against each other, I feel like I'd either give them a run for their money, or just flat-out win.

But that's not how this game works. You've got to play around other players. You've got to play the cards you're dealt, and they're not always good cards. I am EXTREMELY confident in my macro knowledge. Mechanically, I wouldn't be surprised at all if I'm bronze 5. But macro-wise, I'd consider myself on-par with high platinum and diamond players. Mix the two, and you get mid-high gold, which is where I typically fall.

So when I'm talking to bronze/silver players, that's the advice I give them. Macro advice. Rotations, objective control, etc etc. I'm not the guy who's gonna tell you how to 1v1 a fed Azir. You're on your own for that. But if you wanna know how to press an advantage, I'd be happy to sit down and talk.

Lios Ashenblade2 votes

Aye fellow old person, I just turned 33 ^5 bro

Daedric Etwahl9 votes

33 to the fifth years old??

[sg-ahri-1]

SwiftKitten882 votes

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I'm 30 years old, married, 2 kids, full time student, US Navy Veteran. My hands aren't what they used to be, my mind isn't what it used to be. I'm not saying I'm an old decrepid man by any stretch, but I'm no spring chicken either.

I hover around high silver, low gold for most of my league of legends seasons playing casually. When I try, I usually get gold 1, plat 5, but I have to sacrifice other things in my life that are more important to maintain that level of play. Its not worth it to me. I'd rather watch my children grow up. I'd rather spend time with my family. I'd rather get good marks in school. I'd rather concentrate on furthering my education and eventually my career.

That said, my mechanical skill in this game isn't so great. I play easy-to-play champions, which essentially means I play champions that aren't the greatest at solo-carrying a game. That's fine for me. I have fun, and isn't that the point?

However, my macro knowledge is on a completely different level than 95% of the people I play with, or have met. If I'm in a game, and we get a lead, and my team listens to my pings and my chat - we win. Period. End of discussion. I know how to press an advantage, I know how to rotate, I know how to manage and manipulate minion waves. I know when to take which objectives, I know which lanes to focus on when jungling, and which lanes to let be.

Its not the knowledge that inhibits me, its being able to execute that knowledge in a game environment.

If you gave me hive-mind control over a team, and gave your run-of-the-mill platinum or diamond player hive-mind control over a team, and put our teams against each other, I feel like I'd either give them a run for their money, or just flat-out win.

But that's not how this game works. You've got to play around other players. You've got to play the cards you're dealt, and they're not always good cards. I am EXTREMELY confident in my macro knowledge. Mechanically, I wouldn't be surprised at all if I'm bronze 5. But macro-wise, I'd consider myself on-par with high platinum and diamond players. Mix the two, and you get mid-high gold, which is where I typically fall.

So when I'm talking to bronze/silver players, that's the advice I give them. Macro advice. Rotations, objective control, etc etc. I'm not the guy who's gonna tell you how to 1v1 a fed Azir. You're on your own for that. But if you wanna know how to press an advantage, I'd be happy to sit down and talk.

this is almost identical to me... i play skillshot champions because they require prediction and trajectory rather than constantly accurate clicking like adc kiting but likewise.. about 95% of players i meet seem to have much better mechanical skill. but what seems like abysmal game knowledge.

I'm 29 and i have a full time job i work 40+ hours a week and i have an hours fifteen commute each way to work. i don't have time to play ranked during weekdays. and i also have a life on the weekends. and unfortunately because of genetics on my mother's side i am already starting getting arthritis on my fingers.

just because your a higher elo doesn't mean shit... you may have better mechanical skill.. and can climb much higher than me because of that, but when are talking balance or anything on the forums. your "mechanical skill" means nothing here... so use your damn brain.

DeadUnborn4 votes

Rank is an indication of how good you are in a mechanical sense

Completely wrong. Game knowledge and good decision making always trumps mechanical skill when climbing. It is not until you reach D2+ that mechanical skill really becomes a pressure point to climb. Take me for example, I climbed to D5 (DeadUnborn in LAN) just spamming easy champs like Warwick, Veigar, Vel Coz and Rek Sai. If you see my performance with ANY champion that requires mechanical skill (Riven, Vayne, Yasuo, etc) you will see I am terrible with them.

Sure, basic game skills like CSing and kiting/positioning ar eessential to climb past say plat 3, but gae knowledge play a way bigger factor

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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Completely wrong. Game knowledge and good decision making always trumps mechanical skill when climbing. It is not until you reach D2+ that mechanical skill really becomes a pressure point to climb. Take me for example, I climbed to D5 (DeadUnborn in LAN) just spamming easy champs like Warwick, Veigar, Vel Coz and Rek Sai. If you see my performance with ANY champion that requires mechanical skill (Riven, Vayne, Yasuo, etc) you will see I am terrible with them.

Sure, basic game skills like CSing and kiting/positioning ar eessential to climb past say plat 3, but gae knowledge play a way bigger factor

completely wrong... sorry? i know quite a few people who have no idea about so many things but just because they are insanely good in a mechanical sense they just climb... SoloQ is literally a place where if you have higher mechanical skills but low game knowledge you are more than likely to climb than those who have bad mechanical skills but great game knowledge... i am sorry but you can believe what you want. I have seen it countless times how High elo people have no idea what the hell they are talking about and some random Silver/Gold player comes and put them on their place telling them what the hell is wrong and that the high elo player has no idea what he is doing

DeadUnborn2 votes

I don't believe, I know. Look it is pretty freakin obvious. If a person gets a ton of kills but doesn't know when to prevent getting ganked or push towers, he is going to feed more often than a person that knows when to engage and disengage.

Riddle me this then: Why are most challengers jungle and mid players (this is not a hypothetic)? The answer is simple, those positions are the ones that have more objective control.

I am not saying mechanical skill isn't important. But game knowledge and good macro play is ALWAYS more important for climbing reliably. Again, I have made the journey, I got to D5 with a very average mechanical skill level, you can look at it yourself.

If you want master players to explain it to you in more detail, here is one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzsy7weEVtI

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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I don't believe, I know. Look it is pretty freakin obvious. If a person gets a ton of kills but doesn't know when to prevent getting ganked or push towers, he is going to feed more often than a person that knows when to engage and disengage.

Riddle me this then: Why are most challengers jungle and mid players (this is not a hypothetic)? The answer is simple, those positions are the ones that have more objective control.

I am not saying mechanical skill isn't important. But game knowledge and good macro play is ALWAYS more important for climbing reliably. Again, I have made the journey, I got to D5 with a very average mechanical skill level, you can look at it yourself.

If you want master players to explain it to you in more detail, here is one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzsy7weEVtI

and yet you can climb to diamond with nothing but mechanical skills... i don't need details about anything. it's very obvious that when people get closer and closer to mechanical skills that their game knowledge difference is going to propel them forwards... yet plat and diamond you don't really need to know much about what the hell is going on in the game. if you have that much of a better mechanical skill you will win more than the dude who has better game knowledge. Master and Challenger players already are pretty close to each other in the mechanical sense so it's not going to affect them as much if someone is slightly better than them in that regard.

You can believe what you want, all i need to look at is at the plat and diamond players who come here and speak complete nonsense and you wonder how the hell do they even make it to that elo range with such stupid beliefs in how things work that get easily burnt down by even people of lesser elos

DeadUnborn3 votes

yeah.... aaaand you are gold.. see this is why we "higher ranks" call ranks on you people. You are just plain stubborn.

I'll go an explain why you are wong in detail:

You can't climb solely on mechanical skill because the game prevents so:

  • The more kills you rack up, the more xp and gold you give to the enemy when you die
  • The longer the time goes, the longer it takes for you to respawn.
  • The game is won by taking objectives, every time you don't focus the correct target, don't farm enough and fall behind, and don't take objectives when you should, you are setting yourself up to failure

Do you follow Redmercy's videos? Did you see his "Journey to Master" Videos? He was already extremely good at Zed and Twitch, he didn't improve mechanically to climb, he improved his decision making and he says so himself in the videos.

Also... yeah, at higer levels of play all people have the same mechanical skill, which means the ones with better decision making climb more often than those that do not. Hence why roles where good decision making like Mid and Jungle is more improtant climb more often.

As long as you keep having that mentality you won't climb.

You can believe what you want, all i need to look at is at the plat and diamond players who** come here and speak complete nonsense **and you wonder how the hell do they even make it to that elo range with such stupid beliefs in how things work that get easily burnt down by even people of lesser elos

Please give me a concise example of a "Stupid" opinion higher level players use. Also, plat is not really higher level of play. Plat is actually elo hell for Gold players that have good mechanical skill but lack game knowledge to make it to diamond.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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yeah.... aaaand you are gold.. see this is why we "higher ranks" call ranks on you people. You are just plain stubborn.

I'll go an explain why you are wong in detail:

You can't climb solely on mechanical skill because the game prevents so:

  • The more kills you rack up, the more xp and gold you give to the enemy when you die
  • The longer the time goes, the longer it takes for you to respawn.
  • The game is won by taking objectives, every time you don't focus the correct target, don't farm enough and fall behind, and don't take objectives when you should, you are setting yourself up to failure

Do you follow Redmercy's videos? Did you see his "Journey to Master" Videos? He was already extremely good at Zed and Twitch, he didn't improve mechanically to climb, he improved his decision making and he says so himself in the videos.

Also... yeah, at higer levels of play all people have the same mechanical skill, which means the ones with better decision making climb more often than those that do not. Hence why roles where good decision making like Mid and Jungle is more improtant climb more often.

As long as you keep having that mentality you won't climb.

Please give me a concise example of a "Stupid" opinion higher level players use. Also, plat is not really higher level of play. Plat is actually elo hell for Gold players that have good mechanical skill but lack game knowledge to make it to diamond.

"you cant climb solely on this..." except that is not the case and you can and very easily if you are that good mechanically speaking. I don't need to follow anyone, i am also not saying that game knowledge doesn't help but sure whatever floats your boat.

You can say to me whatever you want. Go look at the boards around i am not going to go to every single thread until i find one example that will suffice to you. I do not bother bookmarking every single example of that happening because it'll be a waste of time. There is no one opinion that high elo players use. It's them saying something stupid that makes no sense and someone else rectifying them on how stupid whatever it is that they are saying is. You can believe whatever you want to believe you can call me stubborn all you want it doesn't change the fact that you see people constantly saying moronic things despite their high elo, or doing incredibly moronic things in game that you swear a bronze player wouldn't do.

Also you seem to be getting so many things wrong... someone being a KDA player is not the same as someone actually being good in the mechanical sense... so thanks for telling me that the KDA player is not going to climb until they realize that KDA doesn't mean anything... i guess... even though that should be obvious but then again you have dumb people still thinking that KDA is all that matters so whatever

DeadUnborn2 votes

well since you only attack my arguments with VERY vague statements, you really don't give me any room to make counterpoints

When you eventually do realize game knowledge is more important than skill to climb and want to get out of gold, I do recommend you watch Neace's videos, they will probably help you out a lot

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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well since you only attack my arguments with VERY vague statements, you really don't give me any room to make counterpoints

When you eventually do realize game knowledge is more important than skill to climb and want to get out of gold, I do recommend you watch Neace's videos, they will probably help you out a lot

yeah when i actually climb to diamond and want to reach masters i will look into some video. I don't need some random video to climb out of gold, i need time, money and a job to get a new PC to get out of gold

DeadUnborn2 votes

time? money?

I climbed to diamond on a complete POS system. It is 5 years old and literally I can't shake my laptop while playing because the monitor falls back XD. My graphics have to be on low cause otherwise my computer over heats and shuts off haha. My internet is also so jitterish I get 300 ping lag spikes. Time you do need if you need to improve your macro though, I'll give you that... I am telling you you are going about this the wrong way...

Hold tight I'll upload pics so you see it isn't BS

ZephyrDrake1 votes

that's awesome! except that ping spikes have nothing to do with PC issues and more to do with shitty internet... so ok... if you can actually tell me how the hell i am supposed to do in the game when 80% of the time my FPS is in the single digits i will listen very closely since i will be intrigued

DeadUnborn2 votes

https://imgur.com/076kWWT.png

https://imgur.com/vhJgKm5.png

As you can see my PC is shit

Pings spikes affect you the same way FPS drops do. That was the parallel I was making in case it wasn't obvious to you

Sure bud I'll tell you. Play an easy champ in the jungle like Warwick or Rek sai. You need a fighter that has damage and can split push. You focus on farming efficiently, so the FPS drop doesn't hurt you because you are fighting monsters. Then just gank and tema fight smartl

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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https://imgur.com/076kWWT.png

https://imgur.com/vhJgKm5.png

As you can see my PC is shit

Pings spikes affect you the same way FPS drops do. That was the parallel I was making in case it wasn't obvious to you

Sure bud I'll tell you. Play an easy champ in the jungle like Warwick or Rek sai. You need a fighter that has damage and can split push. You focus on farming efficiently, so the FPS drop doesn't hurt you because you are fighting monsters. Then just gank and tema fight smartl

team fight smart... with single digit FPS with me having no idea what is going on most of the time i cannot compensate for such a small amount of FPS any more than i already am... also playing an entirely new role that i have no interest in and barely function in and also the role that defines the game the most so i'll get blamed constantly for never doing anything of value while the enemy jungler is ganking everywhere... i mean sure when i actually want to rip my hair out i will try to learn a new role and try to get used to going to single digit FPS to around 15ish to around 28ish to back to single digit... sure

I much rather wait until i don't handicap myself and my team just to play the game. I will go and play a few aram games every once in a while in the meantime where it doesn't matter as much and where people aren't as serious

DeadUnborn4 votes

yeah you are right, with that mentality you are not ready for ranked. Better for everyone if you keep playing normals. GL

ModCaptainMårvelous9 votes

So here's the issue:

A large chunk of players are silver/bronze yes, but there is a fundamental argument that can be made when you bring up rank. Now, we don't want rank shaming. Nobody wants that. The problem, however, is people assume that ALL rank references is shaming. This is just not true.

Let's say I'm going "Garen's OP. In all my games he stomps face and he's too tanky and deals too much damage". Then you look up my MMR/history and find that I'm silver or bronze. It's perfectly ok to point out that Garen is an issue because at lower MMR he's a problem. It may be that I never have the skill to beat Garen but that's a personal problem. In much the way people argue that Riot "focusing too much on esports hurts the game", so too can it be argued that focusing too much on the feelings of lower-tier players stifles both the competitive scene of League as well as the high MMR in terms of balance as well as champion design.

Make no mistake, I'm not telling you to flame bronze players or rush to find rank. However, rank is one piece of the puzzle and sometimes you can't ignore the part ranked plays in terms of arguing about design, balance or otherwise. Just don't let it become either your default argument or a way to antagonize someone else.

The LP Grinch2 votes

{quoted}

So here's the issue:

A large chunk of players are silver/bronze yes, but there is a fundamental argument that can be made when you bring up rank. Now, we don't want rank shaming. Nobody wants that. The problem, however, is people assume that ALL rank references is shaming. This is just not true.

Let's say I'm going "Garen's OP. In all my games he stomps face and he's too tanky and deals too much damage". Then you look up my MMR/history and find that I'm silver or bronze. It's perfectly ok to point out that Garen is an issue because at lower MMR he's a problem. It may be that I never have the skill to beat Garen but that's a personal problem. In much the way people argue that Riot "focusing too much on esports hurts the game", so too can it be argued that focusing too much on the feelings of lower-tier players stifles both the competitive scene of League as well as the high MMR in terms of balance as well as champion design.

Make no mistake, I'm not telling you to flame bronze players or rush to find rank. However, rank is one piece of the puzzle and sometimes you can't ignore the part ranked plays in terms of arguing about design, balance or otherwise. Just don't let it become either your default argument or a way to antagonize someone else.

It's not even Garen being the problem in that example. It's the players lacking the competency to deal with him.

y0r1ck7 votes

Exactly which is why "bronze noob you suck" is valid sometimes.

ModCaptainMårvelous4 votes

You're focusing too much on the Garen part. You're just explaining what I said, lol.

chipndip17 votes

  1. All these claims need proof.

  2. I'm inclined to say no. Low elo people I try to have a discussion with make my head spin with some of the ridiculousness you have to claw through just to explain simple concepts. It's a pain, and I've tried being the nice guy too many times just for people to slap me with the "YoUr a luGGaGe maIN. You'Re nOT evEN goOd" quote. Doesn't mean I'll be a prick on sight, but note that I'm relatively jaded and my patience to explain dumb shit is permanently thin.

Sp33d Zer07 votes

But don't you know? Everyone on the boards is either in diamond, or is diamond on their main; they just post on their silver/bronze smurf.

Z3Sleeper5 votes

No Diamond actually tries in norms lol. It's our time to chill out from our usual macro heavy gameplay and just have fun with it.

This usually means much lower level play lol. Several of my friends and even myself sometimes do horrible in norms cuz of this. Like, I'll just keep going ham on my laner cuz I don't feel like actually playing lane like you're supposed to, being cautious of jungler and whatnot.

DeadUnborn5 votes

I have to disagree, having higher rank does correlate to better game knowledge. I am not defending mocking or insulting people based on rank, but when arguing specific subjects, some times it just shows a person is lower rank when they propose certain ideas

NocturnalSheild2 votes

And i have to disagree with that.

Higher rank often correlates to better reflexs and nothing else.

One of the best theorycrafters i know is bronze 5 simply due to having the reflexs of a 3 year old.

The enemys could literally go. "Imma shoot a skillshot right where your standing in 3 seconds" and hed still get hit.

And on the flip side i know an IRL challenger and ive seen the players he plays with. People still using cookie cutter and suboptimal builds only in diamond+ because they have split second reflexs.

Many different factors exist for why some people are better then others.

And no one should be shamed for any of them.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Your entire comment makes no sense alone from the point that league isn't a reflex based game. Not. at. all. It's muscle memory. Reflexes don't help you shit in climbing. Reflexes 100% correlate with skill/rank in FPS games tho. Even then that can be trained. But that's typical low elo making shit up to somehow feel relevant.

NocturnalSheild3 votes

Bull fucking shit. As i said i know an irl challenger main. Hes legit standing in the room with me right now.

The amount of shit he can do with a champion that i cant do is insane.

He once got #1 on one of those top 10 plays of the week shit for dodging 11 skillshots and hitting 23 ez Qs in a row in a hectic 5v5 team fight.

Thats 100% reflexs not "muscle memory"

Macro AND micro are important to the game.

And you can EASILY know the macro your SUPPOSED to do. But either forget in the moment or just be shitty at corraling other people.

I could easily learn every counter and macro in the game (have great knowledge) and simply not be good enough to pull it off.

ReySolomon3 votes

Tbh I never see anybody call other bronzies or anything like that really is this from in-game or around the boards?

Only thing I do see is when somebody is feeding they call them bronzies-boosted etc.

DontTouchMyBall3 votes

[sg-miss-fortune] Laughs in UnRanked Pfffft No1 can shame me, afterall every1 knows if I did play ranked games I would easily be Challenjour EZ :^)

if you take this^ seriously, congrats, you're an idiot

100T Heist3 votes

Well said. I personally enjoy the elitist toxicity though. I get a kick out of arguments when someone attempts to insult me based on my performance or elo and thinks that is a reflection of who I am and what I am capable of IRL. When the IRL insults and assumptions start, I always offer to expose who I really am (facebook or whatever) in exchange to see who they are. They back out EVERY time lol.

ƒrostγ1 votes

You sound like a butthurt silver.

Asudurga6 votes

And you sound like part of the problem.

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