Stop resetting my runes to presets.

Barkley·Nov 28, 2017·175 votes·16,291 views

Why is it that the game resets my chosen runes to presets every game, instead of remembering what I took last game?

Also, wtf is this bullshit where I'm working on a rune page at champion select, and all of a sudden it just says "Nah, fuck your rune page" and puts me on a pre-made page in the middle of what I'm doing? Then I gotta scramble to find the page I was working on and finish it before the timer runs out.

I don't want your shitty pre-made pages, Rito. Stop trying to force them on me. I wish I could delete them.

65 Comments

RiotSparkleNov 29, 201743 votes

So you're actually hitting two different bugs that we're aware of on our side:

The good 'ol champion select switches your page while you're editing bug. We implemented some fixes for this very obnoxious bug in 7.23, so it happens far less often than it used to but we are seeing some reported cases of it still occurring. Investigating this one further.
The new and exciting champion select dropdown doesn't remember which page you were on bug. Right now, the dropdown isn't remembering and defaulting to your last selected page (which it's supposed to, like old runes & masteries) between games. Thus, it resets itself back to "Resolve: The Colossus" every time.

So yeah, we're not trying to force premade pages on you lol. Apologies for the bugs, I know they're annoying.

XilixerNov 29, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sparkle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G3fUvBOG,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2017-11-29T18:02:27.195+0000)

So you're actually hitting two different bugs that we're aware of on our side:

The good 'ol champion select switches your page while you're editing bug. We implemented some fixes for this very obnoxious bug in 7.23, so it happens far less often than it used to but we are seeing some reported cases of it still occurring. Investigating this one further.

The new and exciting champion select dropdown doesn't remember which page you were on bug. Right now, the dropdown isn't remembering and defaulting to your last selected page (which it's supposed to, like old runes & masteries) between games. Thus, it resets itself back to "Resolve: The Colossus" every time.

So yeah, we're not trying to force premade pages on you lol. Apologies for the bugs, I know they're annoying.

any answer to the idea of actually having the option to remove these presets or at least being able to edit them?

RiotSparkleNov 30, 20171 votes

Answered down below, copy pasta provided for your convenience:

No, but we will probably extend the hiding option in the inventory to champion select in the future. No ETA on that btw, we're working on a lot of bugs (like the ones listed) first.

We are not letting you delete them because they're part of our technical fallback to make sure you never get into a game without any runes, especially since runes now have the power of BOTH old runes and masteries. Someday, we hope to expand this "emergency" functionality to help with cases where you partially finished a page (the hope is that we can fill in that last blank slot with a rune from the premade page instead of switching the whole damn thing).

XilixerNov 30, 20171 votes

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Answered down below, copy pasta provided for your convenience:

No, but we will probably extend the hiding option in the inventory to champion select in the future. No ETA on that btw, we're working on a lot of bugs (like the ones listed) first.

We are not letting you delete them because they're part of our technical fallback to make sure you never get into a game without any runes, especially since runes now have the power of BOTH old runes and masteries. Someday, we hope to expand this "emergency" functionality to help with cases where you partially finished a page (the hope is that we can fill in that last blank slot with a rune from the premade page instead of switching the whole damn thing).

that's the players fault not the systems. if they wanna try and mess around with their runes/masteries during champ select that's on them. if worst comes to worst they can fall back on another rune page that they made.

xNejiixNov 30, 20172 votes

Except it is the systems fault, since - correct me if I'm wrong - a fresh player only gets 2 pages without buying any others, and pages are still expensive as fuck.

There are 20 different combinations of main & secondary page alone -- and that's not getting into which masteries you actually pick, which changes depending on the champion and the meta. Granted, not all of these combinations are probably practical - but a fairly new player can't even customize for every role without either falling back on (non-customizable) presets or buying additional pages. WIth the que sometimes forcing you to play in a position you didn't actually pick, it's actually unavoidable to change your pages on the fly ocasionally.

XilixerNov 30, 20171 votes

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Except it is the systems fault, since - correct me if I'm wrong - a fresh player only gets 2 pages without buying any others, and pages are still expensive as fuck.

There are 20 different combinations of main & secondary page alone -- and that's not getting into which masteries you actually pick, which changes depending on the champion and the meta. Granted, not all of these combinations are probably practical - but a fairly new player can't even customize for every role without either falling back on (non-customizable) presets or buying additional pages. WIth the que sometimes forcing you to play in a position you didn't actually pick, it's actually unavoidable to change your pages on the fly ocasionally.

that situation is easily avoidable by playing a bit of support. in which case that again is on them if they are autofilled. if you want to avoid autofill just play support for a game then your good. people should learn more roles anyway and it's not as complicated as you make it out to be. it's not as crazy as the old rune pages are and this is WAY more noob friendly than the old runes especially with less options.

videorfeakNov 30, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sparkle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G3fUvBOG,comment-id=000c00010000,timestamp=2017-11-30T03:02:34.666+0000)

Answered down below, copy pasta provided for your convenience:

No, but we will probably extend the hiding option in the inventory to champion select in the future. No ETA on that btw, we're working on a lot of bugs (like the ones listed) first.

We are not letting you delete them because they're part of our technical fallback to make sure you never get into a game without any runes, especially since runes now have the power of BOTH old runes and masteries. Someday, we hope to expand this "emergency" functionality to help with cases where you partially finished a page (the hope is that we can fill in that last blank slot with a rune from the premade page instead of switching the whole damn thing).

So how hard would it actually be to just make it so everyone has to always have at least 1 rune page made as a fallback so we can get rid of the pre made runes? But honestly even if that didnt work out how horrible would it be to load into a game without runes? I mean if you are loading into the game with the wrong runes that do nothing for you anyway might as well load in with none at all. Legit I hated the overcharge mode, but I seriously loved that the new runes were disabled.

The Yetii RiderNov 29, 20176 votes

What's it like to debug a game constantly, anyway? Are you searching through tens of thousands of lines of code for the one spot where there's a mistake, or is it more organized and manageable?

big boi edriNov 29, 20171 votes

I'm curious ab that as well. I don't know much about game programming and wht not.

rtbf225618241Nov 29, 20171 votes

It's obviously very organized. It's why games are comprised of separate folders with files of special types and they have the tools to make it easier to read aswell.

Velzard of KozNov 30, 20171 votes

It may be different for them based on where the bug appeared. There is a difference between GUI bug, scripts bug, miscalculation or code malfunctioning. Though yes, If you have suspicion that a bug isn't related to GUI, scripts or numbers in database, then you will have to dive into the worst case scenario of less readable and more complex shit.

However proffesional large companies like Riot should have debuging tools and process trackers to approximately see what function is used when due to what with what values returning this and that making it easier to find the thing that doesn't seem to fit and thus find that one place in code that doesn't work right.

There is BTW entire proffesion branch dedicated to testing, which isn't just playing the game and saying "This Rune feels OP", but using the debugging tools and bug-trackers to test out different scenarios, try to think of when it may malfunction and investigate at what conditions the bug triggers.

RiotRiot ReinboomNov 30, 201715 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G3fUvBOG,comment-id=000c0002,timestamp=2017-11-29T18:36:45.607+0000)

What's it like to debug a game constantly, anyway? Are you searching through tens of thousands of lines of code for the one spot where there's a mistake, or is it more organized and manageable?

Hmm, less "or", more "and". A lot of tech/code debugging is searching through tens of millions of lines of code for the N number of spots where there's mistakes in an, ideally, organized and manageable way.

Debugging techniques are generally specific to whatever programming languages, tech base, and so on that you use. There's a few that's commonly shared among many development environments though, like stepping through running code or data inspection.

But rather than try to explain... I can show you! (Assuming you're using Chrome and not on a mobile. These steps will be different for different browsers):

IN THIS PAGE, the one that you're reading, hit F12. This opens the debugging tools in Chrome.

Now click the 'Console' tab at the top of the large thing that popped up. Find the input area, and type in: Riot Then press enter.

There is now an entire data object you can explore around, and even change things if you wish (its all local and any changes you do can be undone by refreshing the page).

Each part of this object can be opened and looked at individually. Or you can type out the address to that, from Riot. Type in: Riot.DDragon.models.champion.data.Ahri Then press enter.

You'll see some data specific to Ahri.

This is data inspection. This type of tool lets you look at what state / memory is in, and figure out any inconsistencies near where your problem might be.

Now lets swap to the 'Sources' tab. In here, you can explore the data structures and code that makes up the webpage we're on. Press F8. You're now stepping through code as it runs. Press F10. Each time you press F10, you step to the next operation. You can see exactly which piece of code is running with each step, as well as how data changes as you step through it in the various boxes you see below.

The code you see here is different from what we see (the webpage code has been compressed to the point of being practically unreadable), but this is the basic idea of what ONE KIND of debugging entails.

Debugging League of Legends itself is not that different from this, even though the language is quite different (the LoL game is primarily C++). Again though, this is just the most basic of debugging. Each different type of problem requires a different type of tool to explore it and fix it. :)

Better JunglerNov 30, 20172 votes

Im voting this to be the second best red post I've ever seen. (grouping all of Riot Tantrum gets first place)

WolfeurNov 30, 20173 votes

Hmm, less "or", more "and".

Well, if you're going to mistake boolean operators, we sure can expect a few bugs

[sg-miss-fortune]

ŻügżwängNov 29, 20174 votes

Can you just give us a "Delete all premades" option? Maybe you have to be level 30 for it to show up. "Confirm, once you delete these, they will be gone, and you will only have your own rune pages remaining" I used each of them once when the update hit, and never again, nor will I, since it's easy enough just to remake a custom one for each game.

JethzkNov 29, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sparkle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G3fUvBOG,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2017-11-29T18:02:27.195+0000)

So you're actually hitting two different bugs that we're aware of on our side:

The good 'ol champion select switches your page while you're editing bug. We implemented some fixes for this very obnoxious bug in 7.23, so it happens far less often than it used to but we are seeing some reported cases of it still occurring. Investigating this one further.

The new and exciting champion select dropdown doesn't remember which page you were on bug. Right now, the dropdown isn't remembering and defaulting to your last selected page (which it's supposed to, like old runes & masteries) between games. Thus, it resets itself back to "Resolve: The Colossus" every time.

So yeah, we're not trying to force premade pages on you lol. Apologies for the bugs, I know they're annoying.

Can we delete the premades please?

RiotSparkleNov 29, 20178 votes

No, but we will probably extend the hiding option to champion select in the future. No ETA on that btw, we're working on a lot of bugs (like the ones listed) first.

Tik115Nov 30, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sparkle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G3fUvBOG,comment-id=000c00040000,timestamp=2017-11-29T20:02:36.510+0000)

No, but we will probably extend the hiding option to champion select in the future. No ETA on that btw, we're working on a lot of bugs (like the ones listed) first.

We are not letting you delete them because they're part of our technical fallback to make sure you never get into a game without any runes, especially since runes now have the power of BOTH old runes and masteries. Someday, we hope to expand this "emergency" functionality to help with cases where you partially finished a page (the hope is that we can fill in that last blank slot with a rune from the premade page instead of switching the whole damn thing).

can you at LEAST give us the option to hide them? they create unneeded clutter and we don't want to pick them, if they're a technical fallback then have them be an invisible fallback

My Waifu VanillaNov 30, 20171 votes

That's already on PBE iirc.

rtbf76109271Nov 30, 20172 votes

did you even read what he posted? read that first sentence

Pika310Nov 30, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sparkle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G3fUvBOG,comment-id=000c00040000,timestamp=2017-11-29T20:02:36.510+0000)

especially since runes now have the power of BOTH old runes and masteries.

As far as I see it, this doesn't feel true. It feels like the new masteries replaced old masteries, whereas the base stat increases replaced old runes. I don't feel anything in these new mastery pages that says "rune replacement." It just feels like runes were removed entirely and Spellblade champs got hyper-buffed, because their new stat boosts count as Base AD, rather than bonus AD like it used to be.

TheUltimateLifeNov 30, 20172 votes

So I never saw anyone else say anything, nor did it happen to any of my friends, but one time randomly last week or so when I logged in, suddenly everything was reset. All rune pages that I'd been using were deleted and I didn't realize till after I entered champ select. Is this a bug or what? I also lost one of my item sets, but just one

RiotSparkleNov 30, 20173 votes

Hey can you give me a bit more info about losing your rune pages? I've seen a few scattered reports of this, I'd love more specifics.

How many pages did you have made? Did you lose all of them?
Did you close the client more than once between when you made them and when they disappeared?

TheUltimateLifeDec 1, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sparkle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=G3fUvBOG,comment-id=000c00050000,timestamp=2017-11-30T18:14:04.877+0000)

Hey can you give me a bit more info about losing your rune pages? I've seen a few scattered reports of this, I'd love more specifics.

How many pages did you have made? Did you lose all of them?

Did you close the client more than once between when you made them and when they disappeared?

Yeah, I have 5 pages available to me and all 5 were filled out. But one day about a week or so ago when I logged in, it was as if I had never made a rune page and all 5 were blank with the option to create a new page.

I had closed the client several times by that point, as I believe I had the rune pages filled out for over a week.

I had actually thought they were intended to be wiped with a new patch or something, but like I said all my friends said their pages were still there so then I just felt jipped lol.

Knowing I'm not the only one is enough for me, but if you do have any insight as to why this happened and how it's such an acute attack, I'd be interested to hear the details. Thanks!

FedmahnDec 1, 20171 votes

You are definitely not the only one. I had 20 filled out and they all went away. After having played a bit with the new runes, when I re-did them the organization was better. But I am really scared it will happen again. Takes way too much time and energy to redo them

FedmahnDec 2, 20171 votes

This just happened to me a second time :(

AshindoreDec 7, 20171 votes

yeah, I have also lost runepages on 5 seperate occasions. it is very frustrating. each time it is multiple pages. I make pages specific to each champion I play, so it can get very tedious remaking them.

LiveWire240Jan 29, 20181 votes

Happened to me when i let my friend play from my computer with hes account and then when l log back with my account, boom my rune pages all reset and emoticon set too.

ZtokaNov 28, 201710 votes

Ya, it's a blast, especially in a time crunch to be working on the page, then suddenly it goes to some default bs, then try to get back into your page and get things finished before the match starts.

You scramble to make those last few changes and pull it off w/ 5 seconds to spare. You smile and press save. Game error, runes could not be displayed properly or saved etc.. Back to some crap default rune page in time for the game to start.. Have a fun game w/ completely incorrect runes. Good joke riot, you sick bastards...

BarkleyNov 28, 20173 votes

{quoted}

Ya, it's a blast, especially in a time crunch to be working on the page, then suddenly it goes to some default bs, then try to get back into your page and get things finished before the match starts.

You scramble to make those last few changes and pull it off w/ 5 seconds to spare. You smile and press save. Game error, runes could not be displayed properly or saved etc.. Back to some crap default rune page in time for the game to start.. Have a fun game w/ completely incorrect runes. Good joke riot, you sick bastards...

Feelsbadman.

I've probably gone into more than a dozen games since runes dropped with either garbage runes, or some non-optimal preset.

ŻügżwängNov 29, 20177 votes

Moreover, when we click HIDE PRESETS, in the collection tab, make them HIDDEN from champ select (where it actually matters).

The old system could remember what rune page you were on last, why can't this one work the same way.

BarkleyNov 29, 201712 votes

{quoted}

Moreover, when we click HIDE PRESETS, in the collection tab, make them HIDDEN from champ select (where it actually matters).

Screw hiding them, I want to DELETE them.

ŻügżwängNov 29, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Screw hiding them, I want to DELETE them.

Ya, I agree.

The Space CowboyNov 29, 20171 votes

Me three, I have six customs since I owned a bunch. I still want more too so I’d happily take one more custom and sacrifice the presets

ŻügżwängNov 29, 20171 votes

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Me three, I have six customs since I owned a bunch. I still want more too so I’d happily take one more custom and sacrifice the presets

Ya, I don't know why they can't just give us the 20 mastery pages like before... b/c let's be real, runes are gone, and everything is a mastery now with some bonus stats depending on keystone (the inspiration tree's secondaries are the closest we get to "rune stats"). At least offer the rune pages at a price lower than a premium champ, it's crazy. But it's fine. I could manage with a single rune page, since once you get used to it, it is quick to make it according to the team/enemy.

The OasisNov 29, 20171 votes

Reds have said on a couple occasions that this is on their to-do list, but they dont have a concrete timeline because bug-fixes are higher priority.

Totally Not JinxNov 29, 20175 votes

Oh snap I thought I was alone in seeing this.

I play AP support champs and suddenly it preselects Resolve: The Colossus and I'm like 'What?'

BarkleyNov 29, 20174 votes

I don't understand the point of the pre-made pages being unable to be deleted. They're just clutter. If you want to keep them, keep them. But if you don't, I can't imagine a good reason why you shouldn't be able to. Makes zero sense.

Totally Not JinxNov 29, 20173 votes

Or let them be edited, at least. The auto-selecting thing is annoying because I'm of course used to the old loadouts that pick your most recent use.

I understand why they're there, but like....pls put the memory back Riot [sg-soraka]

LeetriNov 29, 20171 votes

They probably don't allow you to delete them in the cases where you're currently editing a page and don't finish in time. If there's no defaults to pick from you'd be without any runes at all, and I'd rather get Press the Attack Shen than No Runes Shen. That actually happened in a game for me, the page didn't want to save so I ended up with the Press the Attack default page. Luckily it was just a co-op game to finish a mission real quick, so I built AD Shen instead.

Faceroll TacticsNov 29, 20171 votes

Then just revert the page to the last working version.

Totally Not JinxNov 29, 20171 votes

Fun fact, this is what they do. I just loaded out mid-adjustment and only had one set saved, and it had the previously-filled version in my loadout screen. Thank GOODNESS.

LeetriNov 29, 20172 votes

If you're working on a new page there is no previous version to pick from, so it's either no runes or one of the defaults.

SEKAINov 29, 20172 votes

{quoted}

I play AP support champs and suddenly it preselects Resolve: The Colossus and I'm like 'What?'

They always default the Resolve preset page, probably because logics like "if you go into the match with the wrong rune page, at least with this you can live longer!"

But then remembering the last Rune page with less random resetting probably reduces the amount of time you actually go in the match with the wrong runes.

Also, not to mention, most preset rune pages are actually really bad, or at least "very niche" should be the phrase.

Totally Not JinxNov 29, 20171 votes

Ha, I've never bothered to use them, I always custom tailor my runes to each game, but it's nice to be able to use the page I had most recently used since I Support like 99% of the time.

VerxintNov 29, 20175 votes

Personally I'm just impressed at how they managed to find what may have been the 5 worst runepages you can possibly have to make as their presets.

K3ars3nNov 29, 20171 votes

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Personally I'm just impressed at how they managed to find what may have been the 5 worst runepages you can possibly have to make as their presets.

What better way to prove that they didn't put out something that was OP?

PeckinpahNov 29, 20171 votes

It happens to me all the time. I can set my rune page to something then leave the client. Then when I come back on to play the game I expect to have the same page but it resets to Resolve: The Colossus

TerchioNov 29, 20171 votes

I assume they're changing it back. It was working right before they added the "Hide Presets" option last patch, and I assume they will get it probably halfway right again in the next couple of patches.